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[Demos]

^ This. +1

I'll also invest fewer money in premium time and hero mechs. Why? Becasue my break-even will be far away due to lesser CBills per match AND (average) more time per match.
So, before patch it was sufficient to play 3 hours to make 1d-premium time profitable. Now I need 4 to five hours. And I have definetely fewer days to play this time.
So, PGI, will I stop to play? Surely not. BUT I'll spend less MC (read: real money) for your game, not more!

[Oznog]

I have a ridiculous amount of mech-specific XP and C-Bills, it became fairly meaningless.

The dire "shortage" is in GXP. At 7,500-15,000 GXP for features needed to be competitive (seismic sensor, adv zooming, sensor range, coolshots), it's clear that the concept of getting them through grinding was never a realistic option; they're really only for sale for $. OK using $ to convert XP to GXP... but that's a superficial distinction.

Which I understand, MWO needs to make $ to pay developers, but "selling power" is the cardinal sin of online micropayment gaming and tends to undermine the whole system. You sell CONVENIENCE, like Premium Time and MW bays, and jewelry cockpit items, or buying your way into a new mech that is the same mech you could get after a few hours of grinding. But GXP is so unrealistic to "earn" that it's clearly a sham. You'd be crazy to go through enough hours of straight grinding to get enough GXP for a single item, and such an obsessed person would just buy it on their credit card.

[Kaladias]

LtPoncho, on 08 August 2013 - 05:06 PM, said:

If you don't like the nerf, then just go buy one of those great hero mechs, or buy some premium time, or purchase a Phoenix package or...see what they did there? Now you do.

Remember when we used to tell them "Shut up and take my money!" ? This feels more like them telling us "Shut up and give us your money!"

[NuclearPanda]

Personally as a legendary founder I think that they nerfed the CBills a little *too* much.

Did it need to happen? Maybe, but I think they went a tad overboard. I could understand a 25% decrease (due to reasons LtPoncho hinted at), but cutting it seriously in half is kind of rough.

[Spirit of the Wolf]

I just realized something that left a really sour taste in my mouth.

Remember how the 'Cadet Bonus' was pretty much perfectly balanced before?

Yeah. That's down the tubes now. And that was the primary incentive to keep new players playing.

[Lazor Sharp]

Nerfing C bills is a bust..... please return to the way they were before, or even buff them a little....

Grinding C bills to buy mech's and sensors/mods , was a pain in the A** before, it is now a completely unreasonable number of matches to play, to be able to buy a mech, and then out fit it....

The Newbies will not last long with this damn hard grind to buy C bill stuff......

2 x XP for the first match is fine, but if your 3 fav Mech's are mastered and have aprox. 261,000 xp each, the xp bonus is not relevant...... where a 2x C bill bonus would really help buy new stuff......
And if it's a money grab reason for Nerfing C bills, I have already spent $280, so what more from us do you want.......? Most of the Newibies will not be so generous with their cash, once they get discouraged by the GRIND.......

[Airborne Thunder]

Pwnius, on 06 August 2013 - 07:27 PM, said:

Yes, they reduced $ from spot assists from 2500 to 1500. Now if you spot their whole team you will get 18,000 instead of 20,000. A decrease of 10%.

However, the XP you receive for your first win of the day is doubled. This means, if you win 1/2 of your games the XP has increased by 50%. XP grinding was the longest part of the game.

Thank you for the buff!

Where is the "Dislike This" button on this thing?

[aniviron]

Lazor Sharp, on 09 August 2013 - 04:29 PM, said:

Nerfing C bills is a bust..... please return to the way they were before, or even buff them a little....

Grinding C bills to buy mech's and sensors/mods , was a pain in the A** before, it is now a completely unreasonable number of matches to play, to be able to buy a mech, and then out fit it....

The Newbies will not last long with this damn hard grind to buy C bill stuff......

2 x XP for the first match is fine, but if your 3 fav Mech's are mastered and have aprox. 261,000 xp each, the xp bonus is not relevant...... where a 2x C bill bonus would really help buy new stuff......
And if it's a money grab reason for Nerfing C bills, I have already spent $280, so what more from us do you want.......? Most of the Newibies will not be so generous with their cash, once they get discouraged by the GRIND.......

Just want to chime in to say that this is exactly my experience, by the way. I have a lot of playtime logged for this game and a 200m+ cbill stash, but when I try to introduce my friends to this game, I get them on mumble, tell them how to play, what's good and what sucks right now. They are usually a bit impatient to get their first mech even with the cadet bonus, but that's understandable. But after the honeymoon is over and they see it's going to take them 20 hours to get their next mech, most of them just give up and leave. And now you've gone and slowed down the rate at which cbills trickle in, which really only hurts players who don't already have lots of gear, money, or both. I can't see that helping player retention.

[Airborne Thunder]

Another Founder suggested that he was going to simply cancel his Phoenix Package preorder. I guess if you want to get PGI's attention that would be the way to do it. I mean if they are going to ruin the game by alienating new players and angering current players because of the horrendous grind a lot of people are probably going to stop playing anyways. Might as well save the $80.00 in the meantime. And because the package hasn't been released yet I think they have to honor the refund, just like the Founders program. Maybe if enough of us did it that would get them to see the error of their ways.

[Gremlich Johns]

I want to know why an assist gets more c-bills than a kill. That's my only issue with the MW:O e-economy. I do not buy stuff I do not need.

I have 7 mechs (that's all I've had ever. No, Really! The four founder's mechs, a CNT-9A, and an HBK-4P. (P.S. I do not care if you do not approve of my choices, they work for me.)

I still think a boycott would prove more useful than whinging. It's either put up or shut up - for both sides of this issue.

Edited by Gremlich Johns, 09 August 2013 - 06:25 PM.

[LtPoncho]

Erbun, on 08 August 2013 - 06:01 PM, said:

Because PGI needs more of an incentive for people to spend money. It's that simple. You can cry about it all you want, but the fact of the matter is that the devs also have kids they need to feed and mortgages to pay.

This way of thinking seriously scares me - you really think that others of no association or relation should be of consequence to someone else's life choices?

[Asmosis]

Wrede, on 08 August 2013 - 02:15 PM, said:

Wrong XP grind was the easy part, Cbill is what took time

XP >> Cbills >> GXP

that's how the grind goes, unless you plan on getting every single mech/variant ( I know there are probably some that'll do this)

[M0rpHeu5]

I like playing all waight classies exept for lights. Befoure the patch i would buy and level up mediums and heavies.
Assaults took to much time to buy 3 and master so i didn't bought them even though i liked them.
Now to buy mediums takes as much time as it did for assaults.
I already have 13 mechs so i can keep playing but if i found out about this game now with that grid i woulden't even consider playing.

Erbun, on 08 August 2013 - 06:01 PM, said:

Because PGI needs more of an incentive for people to spend money. It's that simple. You can cry about it all you want, but the fact of the matter is that the devs also have kids they need to feed and mortgages to pay.

Give them more Money for what?

-For the good work they do on the hit registration issiu?
-For all these gamemodes that keep the game fresh?
-For their broken promisies?
-For thein new kickass weapons boating fix AKA heat scale?
-For comunity warfair?
-For the fast bug fixing?
-For the new player friendly game?
-For their good and often interactions with the community?
-For the inovative mech models they delivered the last months?

Edited by M0rpHeu5, 11 August 2013 - 06:44 AM.

[Uncleclint]

Just came back from a 3 day journey and was so happy to play some more MWO, but then i remembered there was this c-bill nerf and it´s all about "buy premium time and play hero mechs" to ever be able to afford anything else in the game. So i checked the forums if there was a nerf to this nerf, but there wasn´t...

Installing mw4:mercs on my old XP-PC right now, cause i want to have some fun with mechs and no stupid endless grind.

Good bye PGI, maybe some time later in the year

[RoboPatton]

Yeah OP, not really sure what the XP buff has to do with the reduction in credits... Did anyone ever have a problem with the XP grind? As a matter of fact, why not reduce XP by 15% and give us the 15% credits back, since matches are so damn long now?

Subtract the cost of "consumables" and my earnings in a bad match can be 50k-100k average. After a stellar match 150k.

Another way to look at this is-- you're a premium player making an average 100k-cb , now its 85k - 50k (coolant) = 35k?
So what, everyone needs to have premium mechs in order to get back to where we were?

If you're F2P, you may make literally nothing, or forgo coolants and consumables (which, I thought, was made to drain the CBs in exchange for "reward"). The game needs F2P players, and there is already a "pay wall" for them called the garage (4 mechs tops).

I own my premium mechs (4) for the e-p*** and not the 30% bonus, and because the dough goes to a company I want to see succeed.

I think you need to reconsider this move PGI, the starting cadet bonus "drop off effect" on new players is going to be pretty harsh.

[kapinga]

dam money hungry peeps pgi you really did it this time got bills to pay ? ill bet you do
but to lower cbill rate in hopes people will buy mechs with cash is totally uncalled for . it will take me so long to upgrade now that the game is not fun for me . sorry but wont play as much unless you change it back.

[Watchemkillem]

I don't understand how they can ignore so many people who are complaining about this. I have a bigger problem because I have spent money on premium time. I played a ton of matches today. Had some great rounds that just paid nothing in comparison to pre-patch. If you have a few mechs that need upgrades, it can take quite a long time to earn those cbills. I know PGI is trying to make players spend more money, but i think this will backfire in the long run. People play because its fun. But nobody wants to play a game that feels like a ****** job.

[Erbun]

Yea I have to retract my previous stance on this subject. Started keeping tabs specifically discounting bonuses and such.... And yea, the grind is a little rough.

I still think they were too high before, or rather that maybe bonuses were too high maybe? But the current rate is definitely too low.

[matux]

Airborne Thunder, on 09 August 2013 - 06:02 PM, said:

Where is the "Dislike This" button on this thing?

That's a MC only option sorry.

[Ensaine]

I brought yet another friend in a few days ago, after the nerf. With his cadet bonus, he was able to get a Cataphract after a few hours of playing. THAT is a problem. Though I'm pro-new player, that was a bit TOO fast......

Then, he found the abyss.... the drop off where the cadet bonus ends. Of course, with a few expletives tossed in, he wasn't happy with the 'actual' C-bill awards for matches. Doing quick math, as I can hear him in TS, he then discovered approx. how long till his next mech. At that point, he said that PGI can keep their paintjobs, body wraps, and Hula Girls.

He played last night, but was noticeably more detached.......and pretty much talked about the long grind ahead......


That's 3 people I brought in. Two I haven't seen since a day or two after the Nerf. Those previous 2, I had told (pre-patch) that the grind wasn't so bad ........then nerf, then all I can say is what? Sorry guys?

I got like 8-9 mechs, one from each triad I unlocked to Master.... I got C-Bills, and could care less about XP until I start my next triad ........

What I DO care about is the longevity of this game. And it's not headed in a good direction, and we have the wrong people developing it.