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[ColdHeat]

Not a single mm of change in the reward unlock bar so far..

I wonder why.. and then again i don't. Now that i feel what an incredible impact the CBill Nerfs have to make it even more of a grind (80k for a victory with 2 kills and 6 assists) i can't blame anyone who hesitates to invest. To be honest due to that experience i already thought about getting a refund.

[Country Gravy]

ColdHeat, on 24 August 2013 - 04:07 AM, said:

Not a single mm of change in the reward unlock bar so far..

I wonder why.. and then again i don't. Now that i feel what an incredible impact the CBill Nerfs have to make it even more of a grind (80k for a victory with 2 kills and 6 assists) i can't blame anyone who hesitates to invest. To be honest due to that experience i already thought about getting a refund.

With a hero mech and premium time I am getting 200K for wins pretty consistently. Don't like the grind? Spend more $$$. Isn't that how a F2P game works?

[ColdHeat]

That's how the "we milk the §%!& out of you" F2P games work. One reason why i avoid buying EA games.

When the income gets VERY noticeably nerfed and the grind gets worse then people apparently don't like that development. So all the protests are more than reasonable to me. It also creates concerns that the devs might do something similar again in the future and all of that let's people reconsider if an investment into the game is actually worth it and if they will get enough out of this game for what they invest into it. After all everyone of us want's to enjoy games.. they shouldn't feel like work where you pay with your money and lifetime to get a little bit of joy and satisfaction out of them.

So after you payed 60-100 $ (which would be more than enough for one or two AAA titles) while still having to pay for special mechs (up to 20$), for even most basic decorative options (3-7$ a color) or additional mech bays that don't even come free with hero mechs (which is a beat avaricious in my opinion)... then at least you shouldn't be harassed so much by an absurd grind anymore.

200k... Have you ever had 300k for a good round, as it was possible with prem before? It appears that's pretty much impossible now.

Edited by ColdHeat, 24 August 2013 - 07:26 AM.

[Demos]

Country Gravy, on 24 August 2013 - 06:12 AM, said:

With a hero mech and premium time I am getting 200K for wins pretty consistently. Don't like the grind? Spend more $$$. Isn't that how a F2P game works?

Nope, some people just curtail their investments, because they don't have to give PGI their money at all costs...
At the current state, I'll play, but when my MC are spent, I'll not invest anymore.

[Sniper09121986]

Lord Sevenous, on 23 August 2013 - 09:45 AM, said:

You`ll get them together with the Mechs of course....

Actually, the Phoenix page says they "can be applied to any owned mech in your mech lab". So I thought I should, kind of, have them already, which is still not the case.

[DirePhoenix]

Sniper09121986, on 24 August 2013 - 02:27 PM, said:

Actually, the Phoenix page says they "can be applied to any owned mech in your mech lab". So I thought I should, kind of, have them already, which is still not the case.

"can be applied to any owned mech in your mech lab"... when you get them on Oct 15 with everything else in the Phoenix packages.

[Kaptain]

ColdHeat, on 24 August 2013 - 04:07 AM, said:

Not a single mm of change in the reward unlock bar so far..

Not true. It was just before the A now it is at the end of the S.

[Tsenado]

DirePhoenix, on 24 August 2013 - 03:27 PM, said:

"can be applied to any owned mech in your mech lab"... when you get them on Oct 15 with everything else in the Phoenix packages.

it's not confusing at all when they tell us we are getting the colors and say "unlock" while we don't get them until Oct 15th.

If this isn't happening, really shouldn't tell us until then, or at least should be clearly stated, people don't pay money to play a guessing game. Little things like this are very annoying.

Edited by Tsenado, 24 August 2013 - 10:22 PM.

[DirePhoenix]

Tsenado, on 24 August 2013 - 10:17 PM, said:

it's not confusing at all when they tell us we are getting the colors and say "unlock" while we don't get them until Oct 15th.

If this isn't happening, really shouldn't tell us until then, or at least should be clearly stated, people don't pay money to play a guessing game. Little things like this are very annoying.

The way I've explained this is exactly how Steam preorder unlocks and Kickstarter stretch goals work. These are established functions that have been widely accepted for some time now.

[Jestun]

PoLaR, on 23 August 2013 - 10:03 AM, said:

I guess It's totally up to someone If they decide to refund for the Project Phoenix.. but everyone doing this because of third-person view is totally disgraceful. It's like throwing a big hissy fit because mom told us we were having chicken and instead there is a big pork chop on my plate. Real mature..

Actually it's more like a paying customer going to a restaurant and ordering chicken, paying upfront, and then having pork chops delivered to the table.

And then the owner of the restaurant comes out and says "I'm sorry we didn't tell you we were selling you pork in the name of chicken, but we stand by our decision as we believe that forcing pork on people who paid for chicken will make the restaurant more popular".

The customer has every right to request a refund.


:edit:

Chicken and pork aren't different enough.

this is what it's like.

Someone goes into a vegetarian restaurant. They order a dish on the menu which lists a load of veg and no meat, but does not explicitly say there is no meat in it. However the assumption is that as no meat is listed and as one of the core design pillars of the restaurant is that it's a vegetarian restaurant the person feels they want it.

Then a big steak comes in the plate with a small side of mixed veg.

And all the owner can do is tell us how many other people like Steak.

Edited by Jestun, 25 August 2013 - 01:41 AM.

[Ragnar Darkmane]

Ransack, on 16 August 2013 - 04:15 PM, said:

Darn. I almost had an accident until I re read it. Thanks, I'd rather the Cammo, but the colors are cool too.

I'd rather have free colors than another pattern. Patterns are cheap like hell compared to new colors (75 compared to, what, 500 or 1000 MC?) and precolored patterns get boring after a while. On the other hand we get 1500 MC (assuming each color is worth 500 MC, if they were 1000 MC the money saved would get rediculous pretty fast) worth of colors for free!!!

This is awesome news, I basically got another free €5 worth of items in addition to the stuff of my €15 Talon package (basically 30 days Premium with €4 for the mechs, mech bays and forum badge). I really hope we get the flame pattern in the end, that would be great. However we basically already unlocked the "Jackpot" with the free colors, heh .

EDIT: Even more awesome for Talon owners: The Locust V1 remains terribad but the Locust 3M gets 5 Energy Hardpoints and dual AMS, that's great. The 3S with 2 Missile and 1 Energy hardpoint seems servicable as well. And both variants come with Endo-Steel and Ferro stock, that goes a long way making them work without having to pay an obscene amount of cash first.

Edited by Ragnar Darkmane, 25 August 2013 - 02:10 AM.

[C E Dwyer]

Jestun, on 25 August 2013 - 01:33 AM, said:

Actually it's more like a paying customer going to a restaurant and ordering chicken, paying upfront, and then having pork chops delivered to the table.

And then the owner of the restaurant comes out and says "I'm sorry we didn't tell you we were selling you pork in the name of chicken, but we stand by our decision as we believe that forcing pork on people who paid for chicken will make the restaurant more popular".

The customer has every right to request a refund.


:edit:

Chicken and pork aren't different enough.

this is what it's like.

Someone goes into a vegetarian restaurant. They order a dish on the menu which lists a load of veg and no meat, but does not explicitly say there is no meat in it. However the assumption is that as no meat is listed and as one of the core design pillars of the restaurant is that it's a vegetarian restaurant the person feels they want it.

Then a big steak comes in the plate with a small side of mixed veg.

And all the owner can do is tell us how many other people like Steak.

I'm hungry now damn you

[Kageru Ikazuchi]

Ragnar Darkmane, on 25 August 2013 - 02:00 AM, said:

... Locust 3M gets 5 Energy Hardpoints and dual AMS, that's great. The 3S with 2 Missile and 1 Energy hardpoint seems servicable as well. And both variants come with Endo-Steel and Ferro stock, that goes a long way making them work without having to pay an obscene amount of cash first.

You'll have to uninstall Ferro in order to make room for double heat sinks ... but the 3M and 3S do look to be interesting little mechs.

[NoXHeart]

Kageru Ikazuchi, on 25 August 2013 - 02:25 AM, said:

You'll have to uninstall Ferro in order to make room for double heat sinks ... but the 3M and 3S do look to be interesting little mechs.

Double AMS does sound nice, although if that machine gun nerf really is that bad (I wasn't planning on using them till I got my phoenix package so I wouldn't know) then that will be a bit dissapointing that one of the four mechs that I'm getting will essentially be collecting dust.

I hope that after they fix hit detection machine guns will get a rebuff, not quite to where they were perhaps, but even so.

Edited by NoXHeart, 25 August 2013 - 02:44 AM.

[chewie]

A thought Just occured to me.

What with the soon to be released Robotech tactics taking out the 20t Wasp, 20t Stinger, 45t Pheonixhawk, 65t Crusader, 70t Archer, 85t Longbow, 60t Rifleman, 70t Warhammer and 75t Marauder out of the equation, its a good job we still have the Dougrams to count on.

25t Locust (granted this is actually from something entirely different, Crusher Joe : Ostall)
55t Griffin (Roundfacer) (not yet in MWO)
55t Shadowhawk (Dougram)
55t Wolverine (Blockhead) (not yet in MWO)
65t Thunderbolt (Ironfoot)
85t Battlemaster (Bigfoot)

Thats 50% of the unseen right there. So we also wont be able to get the 55t Scorpian (BlizzaardGunner) or 80t Goliath (DesertGunner/TequilaGunner/CrabGunner) due to them being quads.

I'm happy just to get what we have so far, especially as there is hope for two more iconic mechs to appear from the unseens.

Edited by chewie, 25 August 2013 - 03:41 AM.

[Darwins Dog]

Jestun, on 25 August 2013 - 01:33 AM, said:

Actually it's more like a paying customer going to a restaurant and ordering chicken, paying upfront, and then having pork chops delivered to the table.

And then the owner of the restaurant comes out and says "I'm sorry we didn't tell you we were selling you pork in the name of chicken, but we stand by our decision as we believe that forcing pork on people who paid for chicken will make the restaurant more popular".

The customer has every right to request a refund.


:edit:

Chicken and pork aren't different enough.

this is what it's like.

Someone goes into a vegetarian restaurant. They order a dish on the menu which lists a load of veg and no meat, but does not explicitly say there is no meat in it. However the assumption is that as no meat is listed and as one of the core design pillars of the restaurant is that it's a vegetarian restaurant the person feels they want it.

Then a big steak comes in the plate with a small side of mixed veg.

And all the owner can do is tell us how many other people like Steak.

Sigh...
It's like going to a restaurant with a sign on the door that says that ingredients in the food may be changed from what is listed on the menu, and getting green beans and peas instead of just peas. The bulk of your meal is still the same (MWO is not that much different that is used to be), and you can ignore the part you don't like. Sure there are other people eating the green beans, but no one is forcing you to. Now you're storming out and refusing to pay because they're making you eat in the same dining room as the people who are eating green beans. Hey this is kinda fun!

Also, has no one noticed the placeholders in the mission type selector for the hardcore mode? It looks to me like they are still planning to go through with it.

[Tolkien]

Darwins Dog, on 25 August 2013 - 03:54 AM, said:

Sigh...
It's like going to a restaurant with a sign on the door that says that ingredients in the food may be changed from what is listed on the menu, and getting green beans and peas instead of just peas. The bulk of your meal is still the same (MWO is not that much different that is used to be), and you can ignore the part you don't like. Sure there are other people eating the green beans, but no one is forcing you to. Now you're storming out and refusing to pay because they're making you eat in the same dining room as the people who are eating green beans. Hey this is kinda fun!

Also, has no one noticed the placeholders in the mission type selector for the hardcore mode? It looks to me like they are still planning to go through with it.

As I understand it the placeholder for hardcore mode was patched in when they did the 3pv testing on public test. The conspiratorial believe it was put in there to make it look like all was good and they were still following through on their word.
Again...


While they might still put it in, their position changed overnight from 'never be forced to play mixed 1pv 3pv' to '3pv is in by default and there is no hardcore mode, and not a big priority right now.

So yeah, maybe they will still put it in but it's still a punch in the gut to anyone who took them at their word. I know this isn't true of most people but I wouldn't have bought in if I knew this was going to be a 1pv/3pv game since I kinda hated the mechassault games.

Personally I've requested and received a refund for my overlord package over this deceit and put about as much faith in them following through on their promise as I do in having UI2.0+DX11+Clans+Community Warfare at launch.

[Loose Cannon0]

Just got this

[DirePhoenix]

chewie, on 25 August 2013 - 03:37 AM, said:

A thought Just occured to me.

What with the soon to be released Robotech tactics taking out the 20t Wasp, 20t Stinger, 45t Pheonixhawk, 65t Crusader, 70t Archer, 85t Longbow, 60t Rifleman, 70t Warhammer and 75t Marauder out of the equation, its a good job we still have the Dougrams to count on.

25t Locust (granted this is actually from something entirely different, Crusher Joe : Ostall)
55t Griffin (Roundfacer) (not yet in MWO)
55t Shadowhawk (Dougram)
55t Wolverine (Blockhead) (not yet in MWO)
65t Thunderbolt (Ironfoot)
85t Battlemaster (Bigfoot)

Thats 50% of the unseen right there. So we also wont be able to get the 55t Scorpian (BlizzaardGunner) or 80t Goliath (DesertGunner/TequilaGunner/CrabGunner) due to them being quads.

I'm happy just to get what we have so far, especially as there is hope for two more iconic mechs to appear from the unseens.

The existence of Robotech Tactics has no bearing on the rest of the Unseen. Neither would a new Dougram product have an effect of these current Project Phoenix 'mechs.

The art developed for Project Phoenix is new art created specifically for MWO. It is not the old Dougram art. PGI could very well create new art for the 'mechs that used art from Macross. It just can't look like the original art. And in case you haven't noticed, all the 'mechs in MWO are using new art that hasn't been used elsewhere. Not just the Unseen. PGI doesn't have the rights from Topps to use the art used in the current sourcebooks. Just like PGI doesn't have the rights to use Dougram art. That hasn't stopped them from making new art for the 'mechs that we have now, it hasn't stopped them from making new art for Project Phoenix, and it shouldn't stop them from making new art for the rest of the Unseen should they desire to put those 'mechs in MWO. It just can't use the original art.

There is no dispute against having those 'mechs in any game, just the art used to originally portray them. If they make new art there is no issue.

[Steadfast]

ColdHeat, on 24 August 2013 - 04:07 AM, said:

Not a single mm of change in the reward unlock bar so far..

I wonder why.. <snip>

Because its a .jpg.