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[BFett]

Vasces Diablo, on 20 August 2013 - 11:47 AM, said:

Well, based on the countdown timer, it took you two almost 13 minutes to find a spot and position you mechs in just the right places where, while standing still one could see around a corner they other could not, while not seeing the drone.

So I'm sure this is going to happen all the time in the heat of combat....

Go into training grounds, the timer now goes up not down.

[Silent]

PGI backed themselves into a corner on the 3PV issue. They never should have promised to split the game into different queues. If they do eventually end up adding split queues it's going to divide the playerbase and cause other potential problems. If they don't add split queues then it's seen as a renege by the portion of the community that was expecting it.

But I guess this ignores the fact that a lot of people didn't want 3PV in the first place.

Edited by Silent, 20 August 2013 - 11:58 AM.

[Monsoon]

HammerSwarm, on 20 August 2013 - 11:51 AM, said:

You have your opinion and I have mine. I am not a fan of 3pv and as soon as I feel like I am at a disadvantage I will be shutting down for the night and playing some civ 5 or hawken or perhaps something new. I won't threaten to boycott forever but for the foreseeable future I will not be playing this pile.

The problem with your logic and the logic of anyone saying something similar is that a 1 sentence explanation of why the option was not included would diffuse 90% of this issue.

"We've put all players into one que for a week to gather telemetry data about 3rd person vs first person view. Our goal is to have enough data within a week to enable separate ques but the longest it should take is two weeks. Paul Inyote Gold Seal Promise it will be fixed by launch or we will refund 100% of all money spent on this game."

See that would have shut up 90% of the people. Or,

"Hey guys, we know what we promised you, and we couldn't get it done. We're working on it for the next patch and we should have ELO sorted out by then. We intend to honor our promise to separate the queues."

Silence and a repeated pattern of botched addition, bent/broken promises, and hyperbole have created this. a 25+ page thread of banter and crying. You should be imploring more communication not admonishing people over the internet.

The difference is that your opinion pretty much says, "I don't like Beta Testing" and that's fine, nothing wrong with taking a break from the game. Heck, I've been playing Sleeping Dogs, Dishonored and Darksiders 1 &2 just so I don't overload on MWO.
And yes, their communications could be better on this, but that's something people have been harping on for many months now. Reminds me something about 'kicking a dead horse'.

[Coralld]

[Redacted]

I'm not playing the game until this gets resolved.

Edited by Niko Snow, 20 August 2013 - 12:34 PM.
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[Brokmuk]

first start -> 1,2 GB size -> freeze, great work, spend 300€ till now (in 3 Month), will spend nothing more till this bug is fixed

Edited by Sordolax, 20 August 2013 - 12:03 PM.

[P4riah1]

RapierE01, on 20 August 2013 - 11:56 AM, said:

lol 3pv is so lame. After 6 games norbody used it in battle. Its funny but not for competition

Sad part is that it IS for competition, just not in a good way. All of the tryhards are going to be abusing this CONSTANTLY to get an edge seeing around corners and over ridges and then instantly switching back to 1PV for fighting.

[Deux]

Where is Bryan, Paul, or Russ?? Their silence speaks volumes....

[Trev Firestorm]

Vasces Diablo, on 20 August 2013 - 11:39 AM, said:

Okay, I (like many of you) have no great want for 3PV. I am also disappointed that the queue separation is not working. However, it's clearly in place but not functioning right now (for whatever reason). If you can't put up with the game for a couple weeks or how ever long, than I'm sorry your life is so difficult. It's not like any of the matches we're playing right now have any meaning anyway. If CW was in game right now, or even if there was a tourney going on, scream away, but that isn't the case.

If need be, take a break. (I went ahead and made that a separate line so people could edit the quote and reply "PGI will be lucky if I come back...." You're welcome)

If I had to guess, I'd say this is a lot of ground work for UI 2.0 and something on the back end just isn't connected to the current client/GUI. As for the "PGI said NEVER". Well, you are technically correct (the best kind of correct). But if the queue spit is in place by CW, than so want?

The problem isnt "putting up with" the game with mixed mode only, its that PGI has completely lied to us (intentionally or otherwise) and launched yet another feature that quite simply isn't ready. If the feature was ready we would have our separate queues.

[Gofer]

IMPORTANT NOTE:    Your Weapon Groups are RESET to GROUP 1 with this patch.   DO NOT engage in Combat Until you correct your Weapon Groups.
I'm p*ssed because 27 pages of b*tching didnt mention that RESET of Weapons groups is required prior to combat - y'all need to re-evaluate your priorities.   Are you (and what you are saying) Part of the solution or part of the problem?

[Elbola Ierocis]

El Bandito, on 20 August 2013 - 10:13 AM, said:

More like, mommy promised me hotdog but instead gave me roasted poodle.


Notice that I am not smiling.

Given the most disenfranchised are those that actually put down large sums of money for this game. It is more like I bought a Porshe but the dealership gave me a Pinto and refuses to give me my Porshe or my money back and keeps telling me I'll enjoy the features that come with the pinto..like the exploding gas tank.

Yeah those that have not paid a dime to this game have no reason to cry or rage. Founders and Phoenix package players though....or those that actually have been buying...paint, cockpit items, camo, etc.

Edited by Elbola Ierocis, 20 August 2013 - 12:08 PM.

[Xeno Phalcon]

Soooo I swapped the AC20 in my Bj for a UAC5.


I see a nerf comming soon.

[Koniving]

Well now I do have something to gripe about.

I'm stuck in a default field of view and I can't change it with the user.cfg file. I like 75 as my field of view in first person as I'm zoomed out and not making love with the cockpit screen.

Now I feel like if I hit a bump I'll smash my head through it.

[Sharp Spikes]

Played several games, and 3PV works as wise men foretold: "Thine 3PV mode shalt be either OP or useless". Right now it is useless. Poor, poor new players locked into this sh*t...

[Xiphias]

Vasces Diablo, on 20 August 2013 - 11:47 AM, said:

Well, based on the countdown timer, it took you two almost 13 minutes to find a spot and position you mechs in just the right places where, while standing still one could see around a corner they other could not, while not seeing the drone.

So I'm sure this is going to happen all the time in the heat of combat....

Except that this is in the testing grounds (notice the lack of cap bars), where the timer counts up. That means 1m 43s. That's a perfectly reasonable amount of time to walk from one of the bases and find a mech that was already standing there randomly.

Please check your facts before making claims based on bad data.

[P4riah1]

Koniving, on 20 August 2013 - 12:04 PM, said:

Well now I do have something to gripe about.

I'm stuck in a default field of view and I can't change it with the user.cfg file. I like 75 as my field of view in first person as I'm zoomed out and not making love with the cockpit screen.

Now I feel like if I hit a bump I'll smash my head through it.

Ohh, but 3PV won't effect you at all! Just use 1PV and ignore it!

The default FoV sucks.

[Chilly]

Appogee, on 20 August 2013 - 10:49 AM, said:

I've never been one of the PGI-bashing crowd.

However, the sudden decommitment to putting 3PV and 1PV players in the same games has really shocked me.

And not a word of explanation for this important change of policy has been offered. It's just blithely mentioned in the patch notes, and that's that.

PGI, in the unlikely event that you're reading this... this has fundamentally changed my perception of your professionalism and credibility. I honestly don't feel I can trust what you say any more.

I have to agree with Appogee. I remember when I first heard of MWO, checked out the web site, and was thrilled to read the four pillars of the game that were defined at the time, including the planned commitment to 1st person only. I am certainly not as learned in the lore and TT versions of the game as a number of folks here are, but I REALLY enjoy the MechWarrior games and could not wait to begin this new chapter! I was in the closed beta, and opted to purchase a Legendary Founder package primarily as a good faith gesture to the company who was (finally) developing a new MechWarrior game. I have been reading the forums as time allows, and watching the slow, steady movement away from what was outlined in the beginning, to a game that has morphed into some crazy mix that seems to continually change direction and intent. Now, after a number of statements indicating that there would be seperate queues for 1st and 3rd person, we are finding that will not be the case. A number of you say "it is still beta", and I truly hope you are right in thinking that when CW is introduced that there will truly be seperate queues, but at this point who knows when that will be? A number of people have offered thoughts like having a delay for deployment and recovery of the 3rd person drone, and making it destructible, which if we HAVE to have 3rd person, I think that is at least a step in the right direction for implementing it. Alas, no acknowledgement of or movement in that direction. Above all, however, is the frequent occurance of stating one thing and doing the other, and the resulting frustration! At this point, I don't think that anything said can be trusted, and it truly sucks to see the original vision gradually fade.

[JohnnyWayne]

JohnnyWayne, on 20 August 2013 - 11:32 AM, said:

So I have to play 3rd person now? Where has that promise of a Hardcore chioce gone? ... I am... well this:

and quite angry... They are forbidding me now to play proper mwo? They force me to play that cheap casual pile of ****?

I actually paied for this game, you know? (Yes i did)

This. Oh, and this.

Edited by JohnnyWayne, 20 August 2013 - 12:11 PM.

[Vasces Diablo]

BFett, on 20 August 2013 - 11:57 AM, said:

Go into training grounds, the timer now goes up not down.

Okay, so the than the first person shot is not coming from Cat we see in the 3rd person shot, you moved your mech up against a building and took a screenshot (that is supposed to be from the cats perspective, apparently) to show we can't see a mech that is no longer there?

[BFett]

November 2012 Russ leaks that 3rd person is in works http://mwomercs.com/...64#entry1437264. January 2013 poll made after first is deleted by devs http://mwomercs.com/...s-poll-revived/

If any of you took the above poll please boycott the game until the next patch. Let's take a stand!

[Chronojam]

Straylight, on 20 August 2013 - 10:39 AM, said:

I haven't been on the test server myself, so I'll take your word for it. However, I also expect it'll be tuned over time like everything else. PGI knows getting this one right is important and I suspect they'll be working on it regularly for a while--this is still a beta, core features (like UI 2.0 and a tutorial system) are still coming online.

I look forward to Ghost Camera, where PGI makes your own torso invisible so you can see better while in third person.