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[PainGod30]

I love how the game modes are split now allowing for people who don't want to play 3pv the opportunity to play people who aren't using 3pv. Oh! Wait that's cleverly turned off! So much for keeping that promise.

[Koniving]

BFett, on 20 August 2013 - 11:26 AM, said:

Dear PGI,

I, a caring customer, would like to show you why I think 3rd person gives players and unfair informational advantage over players who play in first person view.




I will field test this for 2 games only. If I am not satisfied with the results I will stop playing immediately.

Said catapult can also see your floating camera even though you're hidden behind a wall. Said player also has Seismic and can detect you regardless.

[LastKhan]

1pv is hardcore?? That kinda blew my mind a bit.. so, is the regular mode going to be called hello kitty mech adventure?

[Airborne Thunder]

IceCase88, on 20 August 2013 - 11:27 AM, said:

Third person view? Really? Pffffffffffft..... lame. I could've sworn somewhere several of you said there would be no third person view. Wasn't much of a clamor for it yet here it is.... interesting. Lame but interesting.

Posted 21 March 2013 - 04:38 PM
Here are the facts.

• Yes we are currently working on a 3rd person option for MWO.
  
• There is no ETA for when 3rd person will be available.
  
• Players will never be forced to use or play against other players using 3rd person.

Why add 3rd person?

• Reduces friction for non-MechWarrior players, non-core players, and expands the MWO market to a broader audience. It helps to make the game more accessible and less intimidating.
  
• Offers up a different style of gameplay and tactics.

You will have the following options as a player:

• Play against 1st and 3rd person players.
  
• Play against 3rd person players only.
  
• Play against 1st person players only.
  
• Players can set their preference in the options menu, or during the launch phase before matchmaking.

General Information

• We have not decided on the final implementation of what third person will look like yet.
  
• We are very aware of the design and balancing challenges faced by adding a 3rd person option and will address these through exhaustive private and public testing before pushing any 3rd person features live.
  
• It is possible 3rd person will be made available in other regions first. Typically 3rd person is more widely used outside of North America.
  
• We understand players may be concerned about matchmaking and further segmenting the player base. So are we. Before going live with a 3rd person option, we plan to investigate and solve any potential issues further fragmentation may cause.

We would like to invite your constructive feedback on how you would like to see 3rd person executed.

• Standard forum rules apply, please be kind, courteous, and clearly communicated your ideas or opinions.
  
• This is not the place to say you dislike 3rd person.

When we get closer to launching 3rd person, expect an official Command Chair post detailing our planned 3rd person feature set.


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One poster mentioned something that I thought was more than fair. List some of the ideas we've been toying with in order for it to work. These are just SOME of the ideas we've been discussing:

• Camera is locked horizontally to the torso. This is not a peek around corners mode.
  
• Camera is locked vertically to the torso, you can only look up and down as far as your torso can.
  
• When approaching cover (to rocks/building etc), the camera pulls IN so FoV is greatly reduced when standing close to something.
  
• 3rd Person is not a free-cam.
  
• HUD will be significantly reduced if not completely removed.
  
• LOS targetting is NOT affected by 3rd person. If you cannot target it from 1st person, you cannot target it in 3rd.
  
• ONLY the targeted enemy (Press R) can be identified in 3rd person... all other HUD indicators are turned off.

Again, these are a few of the ideas we're working on. Please keep that in mind when posting.

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[arghmace]

Koniving, on 20 August 2013 - 11:31 AM, said:

They're StJobe's not mine.

Hahah, ok

[Zeus X]

3PV is **** we all know this, but I'm going to let you all in on a secret.

Anyone who uses 3PV is not only a tool, but easy to farm for C-bills and XP with how the matchmaker works.

So please puggies use 3pv, you only make it easier to farm you.

Edited by DCM Zeus, 20 August 2013 - 11:36 AM.

[Monsoon]

Stop fretting 3PV, 'Hardcore mode' will be coming and chances are it isn't around at the moment for the purpose of Beta testing it, and the best way to do that is if everyone is involved. If you don't like testing a program in Beta, then I'd suggest waiting for launch.

[Levi Porphyrogenitus]

PainGod30, on 20 August 2013 - 11:32 AM, said:

I love how the game modes are split now allowing for people who don't want to play 3pv the opportunity to play people who aren't using 3pv. Oh! Wait that's cleverly turned off! So much for keeping that promise.

Given that it's in the current drop type selection, just grayed-out, I suspect that PGI ran into some problems with setting up the different queues but plans to push it through as soon as possible. Otherwise, why not just wait until UI 2.0 to put the option in the menu at all?

Of course, some kind of communication about such things would be a welcome addition to the patch notes.

[Doctor Proctor]

arghmace, on 20 August 2013 - 11:14 AM, said:

After seeing Koniving's numbers above, I started thinking if there's indeed a mistake in my formulas. But I think not. That regular 0.1 - 0.3 is wrong. If a single 0.1 dmg bullet crits 3 times, it does 0.3 * crit dmg multiplier to components and 15% of that to IS. But the regular dmg to structure is always 0.1, it's not 0.3 even when you get 3 crits, right?

What you're forgetting is that the MG has a RoF of 10 and a crit damage multiplier of 12.5. So, a single bullet at 0.1 critting 1 time would be 0.1*12.5, or 1.25 damage. Considering the high probability of crits that MG's had, this could happen quite frequently, including multiple times in a single second of firing. Then multiply that by 6 in the case of the DD Jager 6xMG build. They could basically shred mechs if they were lucky with getting crits.

I suspect that the culprit was the 15% extra damage to IS, thus giving them a big boost when boated. By reducing the crit chance and crit multiplier a bit, they'll still be crit seeking, but they won't totally shreds someone IS and core them in a couple seconds.

[JeremyCrow]

Also, UAC5 is fun again... I just cored an Highlander without jamming once with my dual UAC Cataphract 3D

[Dasein]

This c-bill nerf is annoing more then 3pv

[Suki]

HERO Cata A1 is a fail. I guess nobody's stupid enough to buy it. Same slots, same paint.... PGI lost all their imagination already.

PS: hero is also worther, it has only 2 module slots.

Edited by Suki, 20 August 2013 - 11:40 AM.

[Vasces Diablo]

Okay, I (like many of you) have no great want for 3PV. I am also disappointed that the queue separation is not working. However, it's clearly in place but not functioning right now (for whatever reason). If you can't put up with the game for a couple weeks or how ever long, than I'm sorry your life is so difficult. It's not like any of the matches we're playing right now have any meaning anyway. If CW was in game right now, or even if there was a tourney going on, scream away, but that isn't the case.

If need be, take a break. (I went ahead and made that a separate line so people could edit the quote and reply "PGI will be lucky if I come back...." You're welcome)

If I had to guess, I'd say this is a lot of ground work for UI 2.0 and something on the back end just isn't connected to the current client/GUI. As for the "PGI said NEVER". Well, you are technically correct (the best kind of correct). But if the queue spit is in place by CW, than so want?

[Zphyr]

Quote

Cockpit lights indicating the open/closed state of weapon bay doors are currently non-functional. Normal functionality will return in a future release.

How in the name of the Lamp did you manage to break this?!

Also, 3rd person already? When it's known that it's not quite ready yet? And forcing newbies to play it, without a tutorial to inform them they can remove it? Or even that arms and torso aren't clued to the legs? And the over-nerf and over-buff you guys love so much? *sigh* I need a new face from all the facepalm. Only the mediums buff is minimizing the pain.

[arghmace]

Doctor Proctor, on 20 August 2013 - 11:35 AM, said:

What you're forgetting is that the MG has a RoF of 10 and a crit damage multiplier of 12.5.

I'm not forgetting that since I'm actually even not calculating by 0.1 per bullet but by 1.0 dps. The problem in StJobe's numbers is in my opinion that he triples the base damage when 3-crit happens. If this was true, then Gauss would do 45 pts when 3-critting. I find it hard to believe and thus stand by my numbers.

[ATM87]

I'd totally play hardcore mode if what it means is 1pv only, and all weapons stats and balancing are set to tabletop values...

but if its just to get rid of 3pv? pointless. I got to play in the test server. 3pv is pitiful compared to seismic (which I sold. felt bad having such a huge advantage.)

[Ranik Selesky]

3PV is ok since they are apparently introducing hardcore soon.

Now the C-Bill nerf on losses with no fix on victories?

Dev's what the **** is wrong with you?

Edited by Ranik Selesky, 20 August 2013 - 11:41 AM.

[Iqfish]

Suki, on 20 August 2013 - 11:37 AM, said:

HERO Cata A1 is a fail. I guess nobody's stupid enough to buy it. Same slots, same paint.... PGI lost all their imagination already.

That is a Champion Mech, not a Hero Mech. Read, Think, then write.

[Elizander]

Levi Porphyrogenitus, on 20 August 2013 - 11:35 AM, said:

Given that it's in the current drop type selection, just grayed-out, I suspect that PGI ran into some problems with setting up the different queues but plans to push it through as soon as possible. Otherwise, why not just wait until UI 2.0 to put the option in the menu at all?

Of course, some kind of communication about such things would be a welcome addition to the patch notes.

Perhaps they just want everyone to try it out first so that they can get more (burning hot) opinions about it. If they put in the queues right away, some people would never try 3rdPV ever. Either way, I do agree that mentioning why the separate queues would not go in would've been nice.

[Ulvar]

Trev Firestorm, on 20 August 2013 - 11:12 AM, said:

What the hell is this, you add 3pv despite huge outcry against it, you say we will NEVER have to play the mixed mode, but here we are locked into mixed mode with 3pv as a !default! option. What the hell is going through your heads? Do you really just hate your player base?

Edit: Everyone should flood support about this ******** and refuse to play till it is fixed.

its clear that pgi does that on pupose. forcing 3rd person for all, deactivating wd-lights. they want all to try it, if this is the right way i doubt.

also its a joke that you cant see your legs which was a major point to implement 3rd person. that you can see the hole mech to see how it works when you move.

in this state 3rd person is only good for one thing: spying over hills which you could not otherwise