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[Vasces Diablo]

Suki, on 20 August 2013 - 11:37 AM, said:

HERO Cata A1 is a fail. I guess nobody's stupid enough to buy it. Same slots, same paint.... PGI lost all their imagination already.

It's not a hero cat, it's a champ version. All champ versions have the same HP layout as the actual variant, jus a different initial load out and an XP boost.

[BFett]

Well everyone I'm done with Mech Warrior Online. The Drones can't be shot down and 3rd person gives a significant advantage to players using it. This goes against the Information Warfare Design Pillar.

I will not be playing Mech Warrior Online until there is a First Person Only cue.

[Grimmnyr]

Monsoon, on 20 August 2013 - 11:35 AM, said:

Stop fretting 3PV, 'Hardcore mode' will be coming and chances are it isn't around at the moment for the purpose of Beta testing it, and the best way to do that is if everyone is involved. If you don't like testing a program in Beta, then I'd suggest waiting for launch.

You actually believe that "hardcore" mode mode is still coming, after they outright lied about us never being forced to play against people using 3pv? Well, I guess since we are not forced to play MWO at all, then I guess that is accurate.

[Ngamok]

Gwaihir, on 20 August 2013 - 09:46 AM, said:

If you think a dual LBX mech is a good idea, then I've got some beachfront property in southern Florida to sell you.

It actually is :/ I know people who rocked them on Jagers and did very good with them.

[Peiper]

Airborne Thunder, on 20 August 2013 - 11:33 AM, said:

Posted 21 March 2013 - 04:38 PM
Here are the facts.

• Players will never be forced to use or play against other players using 3rd person.

You will have the following options as a player:

• Play against 1st and 3rd person players.
  
• Play against 3rd person players only.
  
• Play against 1st person players only.
  
• Players can set their preference in the options menu, or during the launch phase before matchmaking.

General Information

• We understand players may be concerned about matchmaking and further segmenting the player base. So are we. Before going live with a 3rd person option, we plan to investigate and solve any potential issues further fragmentation may cause.

We would like to invite your constructive feedback on how you would like to see 3rd person executed.

• [edit] and mostly ignored... [edit - Peiper]

Bryan Ekman




Creative Director/Co-Founder

[color=#b27204]Piranha Games Inc[/color].

[color=#b27204]@bryanekman[/color]

Thanks Airborne Thunder. I've abridged for clarity. The last billet point is edited as per experience, rather than intent of the original auther. I suppose I should edit out all the parts regarding how we will never have to play against people playing in third person, as experience is now showing that the intent and the result are opposite/conflicting.

Edited by Peiper, 20 August 2013 - 11:46 AM.

[Koniving]

Mkay so I tried it out.

The AC/2 ninja penalty issue is in fact, gone.

But, the triple AC/2 spam fire + "Fire all the AC/2s" button to bring everything to full speed will hit you into hyper penalty mode.

For me that's fine, the hyper fire felt kind of abusive anyway.

Example of the hyper fire (and the original penalty bug). Within a minute or two I'll do what I call a hyper fire (press Macro button, sets the pattern, hold the "Alpha" button, watch it steam roll targets) against a Catapult.

The ninja nerf with the previous patch where it got worse.

Now... I have no issues. I'm happy.
(Also: AC/2s + macro + third person looks cool.
That said: Third person height is too high, needs to show legs. RE style perhaps?)

Edited by Koniving, 20 August 2013 - 11:44 AM.

[Vaktor]

I'm pretty sure you are just trying to **** off everyone by making 3rd person view default... I know its a simple fix and really I am not that upset about it but I am pretty sure that you guys have masochistic tendencies.

[AndyHill]

The 12 player battles were tested on the public test server and found to be working pretty well.
- Was applied to the regular servers.

The 3rd person mode was tested on the public test server and found to be hideously bad all purposes considered.
- Was applied to the regular servers.

Look guys, you're missing one pretty important point about public test servers.

[damoonrulz]

BFett, on 20 August 2013 - 11:42 AM, said:

Well everyone I'm done with Mech Warrior Online. The Drones can't be shot down and 3rd person gives a significant advantage to players using it. This goes against the Information Warfare Design Pillar.

I will not be playing Mech Warrior Online until there is a First Person Only cue.

If you think people in 3PV have a significant advantage, I get the feeling you leaving the battlefield will make the enemy team sad

[Vasces Diablo]

BFett, on 20 August 2013 - 11:26 AM, said:

Dear PGI,

I, a caring customer, would like to show you why I think 3rd person gives players and unfair informational advantage over players who play in first person view.




I will field test this for 2 games only. If I am not satisfied with the results I will stop playing immediately.

Well, based on the countdown timer, it took you two almost 13 minutes to find a spot and position you mechs in just the right places where, while standing still one could see around a corner they other could not, while not seeing the drone.

So I'm sure this is going to happen all the time in the heat of combat....

[Ulvar]

Vaktor, on 20 August 2013 - 11:45 AM, said:

I'm pretty sure you are just trying to **** off everyone by making 3rd person view default... I know its a simple fix and really I am not that upset about it but I am pretty sure that you guys have masochistic tendencies.

seems that way i have to admit ^^

[Cola]

The Game.

Fix it now.

[Ngamok]

Deathlike, on 20 August 2013 - 09:47 AM, said:

The pitch changes to mediums is kinda needed... but not for the obvious reason (they still need acceleration/deceleration buffs to go with them).

One of the problems with many mediums is that they cannot look up or down enough to do their damage. Having a HBK-4P is difficult when the target is flying over your head (like a Jenner).. you have to be on relatively even ground to shoot them. So the buff will help a lot of torso bound mechs (like the Cicada-2A, most Hunchbacks, Centurions, and the BJ-1X and 1DC)... I'll have to see how much of a difference it would be.

Really? My arm mounted weapons on all my HBKs can and do shoot stuff right below me and above me even if I can't see them, I can hit them knowing where they are standing from seeing their feet or some aspect of their mech. In Forest Colony, I stood on the hill outside the cave entrance and shooting at a Dragon standing right below me and all I could see was part of his mech out away from the cliff side. That is why I love arm mounted weapons on mechs for situations like this that can actually flex their arms that much (Dragons included). I agree on the rest of your post.

[Banshee Bullet]

1 step forward, 2 steps back. Way to go PGI, another huge success.

Everything has been said already, no need to hash it out but there is one thing:

Who's idea was it to make F4 the default keybind for pov change? You shouldn't encourage trolls like that. Somebody needs to be slapped, and if they don't know why they're being slapped, they should probably not be working wit teh internets. Just saying.

[Suki]

I'm only hoping some person will find a way to sue their sorry *** for all the lies. Many people bought founders, put all the money they could get to help releasing the game knowing for sure that there'll not be 3PV.

[HammerSwarm]

Monsoon, on 20 August 2013 - 11:35 AM, said:

Stop fretting 3PV, 'Hardcore mode' will be coming and chances are it isn't around at the moment for the purpose of Beta testing it, and the best way to do that is if everyone is involved. If you don't like testing a program in Beta, then I'd suggest waiting for launch.

You have your opinion and I have mine. I am not a fan of 3pv and as soon as I feel like I am at a disadvantage I will be shutting down for the night and playing some civ 5 or hawken or perhaps something new. I won't threaten to boycott forever but for the foreseeable future I will not be playing this pile.

The problem with your logic and the logic of anyone saying something similar is that a 1 sentence explanation of why the option was not included would diffuse 90% of this issue.

"We've put all players into one que for a week to gather telemetry data about 3rd person vs first person view. Our goal is to have enough data within a week to enable separate ques but the longest it should take is two weeks. Paul Inyote Gold Seal Promise it will be fixed by launch or we will refund 100% of all money spent on this game."

See that would have shut up 90% of the people. Or,

"Hey guys, we know what we promised you, and we couldn't get it done. We're working on it for the next patch and we should have ELO sorted out by then. We intend to honor our promise to separate the queues."

Silence and a repeated pattern of botched addition, bent/broken promises, and hyperbole have created this. a 25+ page thread of banter and crying. You should be imploring more communication not admonishing people over the internet.

[Ranik Selesky]

Perhaps a simple fix to the 3PV issue if they never make the drones hitable.

If you play in a non-Hardcore game. Your C-bill / XP gains are reduced by 70%.



Let them start with their training wheels then actually start playing the real game.

[Caswallon]

Just had a quick look in training grounds and one live match.

Pros In many cases 3pv doesn't seem like much advantage too soon to really say tho'
Frame rate didn't flush down the toilet.
Hardcore placeholders are clearly marked for when that mode goes live.

Cons

Squid von Torgar, on 20 August 2013 - 09:31 AM, said:

You dont shoot from 3PV, you use it to look over the hill and line up the shot before going back to 1PV

Yep you can do this. Don't even need to go back to 1pv. Stay tuned for the return of the pop tart II coming to an MWO game near you.

But apart from that....

Edit: played another couple of maps & noticed the hardcore modes

Edited by Caswallon, 20 August 2013 - 12:19 PM.

[keith]

lol pgi. now putting in 3rd person when its not ready. do like medium mechs buffs, don't think they are good enough. would like to play but only vs ppl in the same vision mode as me. so guess i won't be trying for mabye another 2 weeks. by then i'll be in FF14. thanks for showing idk what to call it, your PGIism.

[RapierE01]

lol 3pv is so lame. After 6 games norbody used it in battle. Its funny but not for competition