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[Airborne Thunder]

mint frog, on 20 August 2013 - 05:39 PM, said:

Naturally PGI will look at the numbers, see that people aren't using it, and then buff it so they will. Expect threads from players arguing that 3rd person doesn't show enough information, isn't easy enough to use, and cannot be used for extended play.



1. See guys, it's not that big of a deal. Our "data" even shows there's no advantage!
2. We're looking into tweaking 3rd person to make it more newbie friendly
3. We've added the minimap and other functionality to 3rd person to improve gameplay
4. After extensive research into player behavior we've determined that 3rd person perspective makes for a superior game. Thus is is now the required gameplay view.

Baby steps...

Agreed. 3rd person view sucks and no one is using it. So, by PGI logic they will keep adding things to make it overpowered. I bet it won't be long until they add the map to the HUD and remove arm lock.

Edited by Airborne Thunder, 20 August 2013 - 06:48 PM.

[h0wl]

NiteStride, on 20 August 2013 - 05:37 PM, said:

Not much of a fan of 3rd Person being the default.

But perhaps it is a way to see how popular it is? As in, they can track how many people press F4 to go back to 1st Person, how quickly, etc...? Just a thought.

You can switch it off in the preferences...

[XphR]

Prezimonto, on 20 August 2013 - 05:38 PM, said:

You assume electro magnets, but most magnet therapies use ferro-magnets. Voltage doesn't come into that level of BS.

Though it would be funny if totally unproductive given the general lack of a response the human body has to magnetic fields at those levels. We'll talk if you're referring to something like 3T fMRI imagining....

... because that's not magnet therapy.

Doctor its worked, direct high voltage coupled with the magnetic arrays, the study is a success. We have effectively removed the subjects ability to detect the supernatural!

[Chronojam]

XphR, on 20 August 2013 - 05:51 PM, said:

Doctor its worked, direct high voltage coupled with the magnetic arrays, the study is a success. We have effectively removed the subjects ability to detect the supernatural!

He might not detect it, but ghost heat is still there.

[h0wl]

Rippthrough, on 20 August 2013 - 05:44 PM, said:

Oh, and it appears the 'client doesn't close when you quit' bug is back randomly too.

My game crashed with the first match with this patch.

[MischiefSC]

The game goes live on September 20th. Get your Metacritic accounts ready!

[Dakkath]

Rippthrough, on 20 August 2013 - 05:44 PM, said:

Oh, and it appears the 'client doesn't close when you quit' bug is back randomly too.

Please fill in a support ticket if you haven't already.

Thanks,
Dakkath

[Monsoon]

Slopey, on 20 August 2013 - 12:11 PM, said:

3PV in 1PV queue?

3PV on by default?


I want a refund on my Pheonix Overlord right now, and I'll never play this game ever again.

This is ********.

Nice bombastic reaction. Just jump into options just like we all did for Arm Lock and turn it off. Then give it some time until they're done having use TEST 3PV in BETA, I haven't turned on 3PV once and haven't seen too many others use it either.

[B0oN]

Not playing this until so called "HARDCORE" server queues are enabled.
And I want them rather quick.
Lest you want to loose another customer that wants his PP Overlord money back on the way out.

Very, very pissed off by getting lied in the face again.
As some might be able to tell ...

[IceCase88]

Airborne Thunder, on 20 August 2013 - 11:33 AM, said:

Posted 21 March 2013 - 04:38 PM
Here are the facts.

• Yes we are currently working on a 3rd person option for MWO.
  
• There is no ETA for when 3rd person will be available.
  
• Players will never be forced to use or play against other players using 3rd person.

Why add 3rd person?

• Reduces friction for non-MechWarrior players, non-core players, and expands the MWO market to a broader audience. It helps to make the game more accessible and less intimidating.
  
• Offers up a different style of gameplay and tactics.

You will have the following options as a player:

• Play against 1st and 3rd person players.
  
• Play against 3rd person players only.
  
• Play against 1st person players only.
  
• Players can set their preference in the options menu, or during the launch phase before matchmaking.

General Information

• We have not decided on the final implementation of what third person will look like yet.
  
• We are very aware of the design and balancing challenges faced by adding a 3rd person option and will address these through exhaustive private and public testing before pushing any 3rd person features live.
  
• It is possible 3rd person will be made available in other regions first. Typically 3rd person is more widely used outside of North America.
  
• We understand players may be concerned about matchmaking and further segmenting the player base. So are we. Before going live with a 3rd person option, we plan to investigate and solve any potential issues further fragmentation may cause.

We would like to invite your constructive feedback on how you would like to see 3rd person executed.

• Standard forum rules apply, please be kind, courteous, and clearly communicated your ideas or opinions.
  
• This is not the place to say you dislike 3rd person.

When we get closer to launching 3rd person, expect an official Command Chair post detailing our planned 3rd person feature set.


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One poster mentioned something that I thought was more than fair. List some of the ideas we've been toying with in order for it to work. These are just SOME of the ideas we've been discussing:

• Camera is locked horizontally to the torso. This is not a peek around corners mode.
  
• Camera is locked vertically to the torso, you can only look up and down as far as your torso can.
  
• When approaching cover (to rocks/building etc), the camera pulls IN so FoV is greatly reduced when standing close to something.
  
• 3rd Person is not a free-cam.
  
• HUD will be significantly reduced if not completely removed.
  
• LOS targetting is NOT affected by 3rd person. If you cannot target it from 1st person, you cannot target it in 3rd.
  
• ONLY the targeted enemy (Press R) can be identified in 3rd person... all other HUD indicators are turned off.

Again, these are a few of the ideas we're working on. Please keep that in mind when posting.

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Yes I am aware they started working on third person view earlier this year. However, last year they were saying not to worry there would be no third person view. Essentially, they are trying to attract gamers by making it easier for them to see their enemy which is all third person view really accomplishes. Adding third person view is not going to attract enough players to warrant the time, money, and resources used to implement it. People are going to come play the game because they want to walk around in big robots blowing stuff up. Not because of a view. What's next? Are they going to make it even more arcadish? That is a good way they could make money! Turn it into an internet arcade style machine! Charge $0.25-$0.50 USD every time you start it up to play! Pfffffft... still lame

[Damocles69]

make a statement. ask for a refund on Phoenix package. hit em where it hurts, the wallet

[ICEFANG13]

I told people to wait on the phoenix packages. I mean can you honestly trust people like this?

PGI I'm just disappointed. No other word describes how I feel about MWO now.

[Shiro Kell]

Congrats to PGI for once again only paying attention to the whiners in the community and for making the game even further away from the Mechwarrior Simulator game that we had all hoped for. Third person should, at best, be an option that can be enabled to play against other players with 3rd person enabled. Forced first person should be part of the options you can choose so that you knwo that other players in the match can not see over hills etc. Thrid person was a serious point of contention in ev ery other iteration of mechwarrior and now has infected was was starting to shape into a decent game. Way to ruin things devs.

[Huntsman]

Regarding the UAC. The jam rate was decreased, but was the jam duration increased? It's currently 5 seconds. Wasn't it 3 seconds prepatch, or am I wrong?

[Wales Grey]

AC/2 heat bug band-aid is still disgusting.

edit: and the AC/2 is still effected by #ghostheat #magnumopus if you have the fast fire mastery!

Edited by Wales Grey, 20 August 2013 - 06:48 PM.

[Magic Murder Bag]

I believe this thread and the subject in general now contains the most <insert rage response type here>, and that's saying a lot because the introduction of the consumables (especially cool shots) had a cr*p ton of 'em. Wonder what TB and Angry Joe will say about this..........

Edited by Magic Murder Bag, 20 August 2013 - 06:57 PM.

[BillHones]

well i certainly didnt read all 43 pages, and i expect for you to not read my post but...

the 3pv is aimed at getting new players to grow accustomed to the game more easily, and make sure they stick around long enough to put money in. its fun to see your mech and easier to pilot if you have no idea what your are doing. thats why it is toggled ON by default. a lance mate mentioned it should be opt in, not opt out. do you want a bigger community so pgi can fix the problems it created and polish this game into something we all enjoy? do you want a game to play?

also their decisions to fix this over that is looked at to make sure it makes them more money, or lose the least. i would like to see trees fall over. they wont do that until they fix other things. less players will leave for minor issues.

[CrashieJ]

PGI lied to us and kept lying to us about these issues

this isn't mechwarrior, this is "Cashgrab Online"

[Zephyr Charge]

Wow; this thread went from 9 to 43 pages when I was at work O.o

[GetinmyBellah]

Bill, sorry bud but you know not what you speak of. I could very well be wrong, it certainly wouldn't be the first time, but I imagine that the veterans of the franchise that also helped kickstart this game by purchasing founder packs and participating in the closed beta got us where we're today. These same veterans will give this game so much more than people that are clueless about the BattleTech Universe and as with any game if you're a newbie it takes time to be a decent player. So, MW:O may have a higher learning curve than most but that certainly doesn't justify the 3rd person point of view, in my narrow minded personal opinion, to better the community as a whole.

I'll give 3rd person view quite some time to pass final judgement and see what truly transpires, but I imagine it's the veteran's and, or people that have played this game since it's multi-player inception way back when that got us where we're today - not the newcomers.