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[Reaganomicon]

JaniTheWeedman, on 21 August 2013 - 07:05 AM, said:

You do realise that you paid for MC which you got. You did not preorder an unreleased game. You got the MC...spent it, and used the thigs you got for it.

You do realize that a bank is not going to see it this way, right? Chargebacks are notoriously easy to initiate and once they've gone through, PGI has to waste time contesting them. Welcome to the sleazy world of finance, where everyone gets screwed.

[Aidan]

No more money from me! Not until the 1pv and 3pv queues are separated. So from my perspective, PGI you can run your game servers for me for free! Wow am I going to accumulate a lot of C-Bills ! Thanks for the free game Oh Canada !!! LOL

[Koniving]

KingCobra, on 21 August 2013 - 06:43 AM, said:

Thank you PGI 3rd person is wonderful just a few things I noticed R-L movement is a little slow still and where is the key for a 360 view around your mech? unless I just cant find it to look at the front of my mech?.

Actually, and PGI please pay attention to this one as it's not a complaint but pointing out a graphics issue, for me third person has revealed that there is a gap between the top and rear side torsos on each shoulder of the Cataphract. This gap allows me to see through the front side torsos of the Cataphract, in the shape of 3/4ths of a square-ish outline. This is an alignment issue of the 3D model or possibly where the texture is unintentionally clear for the Muromets.

Graphics: very high. Resolution: 1280x720.

Edited by Koniving, 21 August 2013 - 07:31 AM.

[skamage]

I'm confused. How does expressing an opinion opposite of the developers views show immaturity? Sometimes feedback isn't always positive. It's the matter of how negative feedback is used separates the good developers from the bad.

[Sentinel373]

I still don't understand what the big deal is. I've tried playing in third person and it sucks. I can barely hit anything that way. and the camera is so high up i cant see which way my legs are facing. so third person for me at least is nothing but visual fluff that doesn't effect me either way. I play in first person but i enjoy walking around in third person at the start of the match. but when i am ready to fight i go into first person.

[Mechteric]

I think for new people they will need to smooth out the camera a bit, and probably put the radar display in (otherwise noobs will tend to not stay together as well since they cant see the rest of the team went another direction behind them). But don't do this until we have separate queues or something.



Also, I hear Doctors recommend this for arsehurt.

Edited by CapperDeluxe, 21 August 2013 - 07:16 AM.

[Thosarmer]

OMG I didn't get what I wanted but, every other MW game had and it's unbalanced and I sit on MWO:Forumwarrior and whine about how it breaks the game without testing and demand my money back like a spoiled 4 year old. Seriously do you people even read what you write when your griping about getting your money back? You paid for a good and service and guess what it was delivered. I'm no defending those positions that this company sometimes takes but, this is the biggest bottle of whine I've ever seen about a feature that for once is freaking balanced.

Edited by Thosarmer, 21 August 2013 - 07:13 AM.

[Abivard]

Bait and switch removed all of PGI's protections.

You must make a good faith attempt to request a refund from pgi, then when they refuse and or ignore it, you may then call your bank/cc and dispute the charges, they will send you a form, list 'bait and switch' return form, PGI will then be dealing with the Banks/CC's.

Just because a merchant places disclaimers does not mean those disclaimers have ANY LEGAL standing.

At this point, you should also contact your state attorney general's office and also file a complaint, 'bait and switch', now PGI can deal with the State Attorney general's office working on our behalf.

Then we can start forming class action lawsuits.

PGI! Feed them to the Lawyers I say!

[Devils Advocate]

Jason Parker, on 21 August 2013 - 07:02 AM, said:

After testing 3rd person first hand and having played actual matches against people using it I have to say I really do not care anymore what PGI does about it.

No minimap and Lancestatus + crosshair bumping + low camera position + drone that makes me well visible and trackable beyond normal visual range = 3rd Person no option for me to play in ever.

In fact I am thankful for every poor victim that highlights his position through the drone so I can snipe his *** into the ground with my PPC and Gauss shot from 1st person. As far as looking around corners goes I have to say that seismic has a much further reaching impact than that.

So all in all PGI were actually successful in creating a third person view that works fine for getting a better feeling of what you legs and torso do but at the same time does not have the feared tactical advantage over 1st Person. Once you know how to handle your mech 1st Person clearly is the much better perspective to play in.

But to be honest that never was my most pressing problem with it anyways. I still think the effort made and the controvers in and with the community caused were not worth it. I am really curious to see number in a view months on how many people really use 3d person view on a constant basis as their main playing perspective.

You should read any of the thread or at least go to the gameplay balance page and look up all the reasons it's a tactical advantage. You typed all that out so you had at least enough time to do that.

[Overkill C7]

You want to sue someone over a game?

[Omen Strike]

Thosarmer, on 21 August 2013 - 07:12 AM, said:

OMG I didn't get what I wanted but, every other MW game had and it's unbalanced and I sit on MWO:Forumwarrior and whine about how it breaks the game without testing and demand my money back like a spoiled 4 year old. Seriously do you people even read what you write when your griping about getting your money back? You paid for a good and service and guess what it was delivered. I'm no defending those positions but, this is the biggest bottle of whine I've ever seen about a feature that for once is freaking balanced.

Wrong you fail hard you did not read The devs comment about NOT EVER FORCING US TO PLAY WITH 3PV players EVER NEVER EVER then they did......

L2R go back to your hole and leave the real players to actually do something about this........

[Reaganomicon]

Thosarmer, on 21 August 2013 - 07:12 AM, said:

You paid for a good and service and guess what it was delivered.

I'm lollin' hard here, because this is so painfully wrong.

Overkill C7, on 21 August 2013 - 07:14 AM, said:

You want to sue someone over a game?

No, you do a chargeback, thereby retreiving your cashmoney and forcing PGI to sue you instead.

[Raistlic]

No, over the money behind that game (if it even comes that far)

[Blackfang]

Meh, after having a moment to calm myself down, 3PV isn't really a massive deal. Make those 3PV drones destructable and now we're talking!! I still enjoy the mech combat in the game and I'm still looking forward to Community warfare and my phoenix package. I think the biggest thing I was upset about really was not having the hardcore mode implemented as was described by PGI, however after thinking about it this will most likely come into play when we have lobbies and private matches and we will perhaps be able to force first person a la MW4 style. I'd really prefer to see a roadmap from PGI for the next few weeks up to launch though (wishful thinking I know) to help me understand the route PGI are taking though as it seems to have deviated quite a bit from their initial mission statement.

[Brookens Halostar]

As I was looking through the forums, I have stumbled across a topic that has been closed. After reading this topic I am wondering why 3PV was even added to begin with. Yes I know PGI has promised from the begging that 3PV would not be added but even in the past there has been a lot of dislike to the idea of 3PV.

http://mwomercs.com/...age__mode__show

This topic was posted near the end of January. The post was a poll of like or dislike towards 3PV and in the post there is a mention of an older poll that had taken place and was deleted.

After reading the post I have decided that PGI has no intentions on keeping any promises they make and that their paying and non-paying players don't mean anything more to them than a short lived paycheck and declining ratings.

I have payed my dues early in the game and as of now with broken promises and other downfalls I wish I had not.

[Reaganomicon]

Almond Brown, on 21 August 2013 - 07:23 AM, said:

Ummm, you forgot to put your Mom's CC # dude.

Russ you're drunk go to bed

[Scarcer]

Blackfang, on 21 August 2013 - 07:21 AM, said:

Meh, after having a moment to calm myself down, 3PV isn't really a massive deal. Make those 3PV drones destructable and now we're talking!! I still enjoy the mech combat in the game and I'm still looking forward to Community warfare and my phoenix package. I think the biggest thing I was upset about really was not having the hardcore mode implemented as was described by PGI, however after thinking about it this will most likely come into play when we have lobbies and private matches and we will perhaps be able to force first person a la MW4 style. I'd really prefer to see a roadmap from PGI for the next few weeks up to launch though (wishful thinking I know) to help me understand the route PGI are taking though as it seems to have deviated quite a bit from their initial mission statement.

I agree fully, the thorn in my foot is just PGI's consistent poor communication and potential lies/deviations in promises/statements; not much integrity for a game developer. Just improve 3PV a bit, and get hardcore working.

The other thorn in my foot is recognizing this issue, meanwhile having to read the incompetent man-child arguments complaining about benign things.

[Abivard]

Almond Brown, on 21 August 2013 - 07:23 AM, said:

Ummm, you forgot to put your Mom's CC # dude.

no, that is what PGI is hoping will happen, all the 8nyear olds asking mom for their cc number to buy paints!

Damn PGI! you can't even do a proper schill ;p

You should dock him a days pay PGI lol

[Tarzilman]

First of all, I can totally understand the disappointment of the community caused of the behaviour from PGI NOT telling you the truth or told it too late. Many people here now feel pissed off, because they feel betrayed. I empathize with you about that!

But:

Kotrin, on 21 August 2013 - 06:34 AM, said:

All of you have spent money on Founder 'Mechs, Phoenix project and what not, it's too late. Ask for a refund? That's the most hilarious and childish reaction I have seen.

Now, why is PGI pushing 3rd person view in our throats? Simply to increase target audience of MWO. 3rd person view allow players to view their owm 'Mech (giving more sense to these pricey camo skins) and is much more user-friendly (interestingly, Hawken is doing well and has no 3rd person view last time I checked... but they have respawns, so yeah, to each game its tradeoffs). 3rd person view creates gameplay issues of course, like being able to "see around corners", but PGI ensured there is a cost to that: arms locked to torso in this mode, and no minimap.

I'm sure PGI will carefully watch player stats once this is released to see if 3rd person players are doing better than 1st person ones. I doubt they will. Just in case, I guess a 10-seconds animation when switching from one mode to another will surely help reduce possible abuse

Now, it's cries and whine everywhere... People claiming PGI lied may have a point, people claiming PGI is betraying the game or the universe are just completely lost. Mechwarrior online is a damn GAME. Mechwarrior and Battletech are just fantasy universes. Mechwarrior franchise is NOT the future of warfare, not even close - scale and technology involved is close to hilarious even by today's standards, and were hard to sell twenty-five years ago when Battletech boardgame was released. Anyone taking a giant-robot brawl game where you can almost litterally run into your opponent, have to aim yourself manually and where radars can't detect a 100-tons mass behind a building as a "realistic simulator" of any kind need a reality check. Seriously.

Last time I read lore I saw nothing in BT universe forbidding 3rd person view... In fact, with your neurohelmet on why would a drone view so impossible to imagine in 3050? 3rd person view might be closer to BT future technology than all whiners can imagine.


And finally it's there so let's use it. Except Clan warriors because they are hardcore. Mmh, might not be a joke after all.

That's exactly, what I mean. We already have unmanned drones TODAY. Though the Battletech Universe maybe a fictional or/and unrealistic vision of our future, why is it so hard to imagine for some people here, that there maybe drones on every mech as a standard equipment?
MWO is the ONLY Game (I know) with a 3pv that makes sense and has a reason, because there's a drone flying behind you! What abput WoT? Is the Pilot radioing with a bird? THAT'S what I call unrealistic.
Every mech pilot is wearing a battlesuit and a neurohelmet that "connects" you with the mech. Why does it seem so impossible for some people here, that there is some kind of "droneview" the pilot can activate? Not to forget, if there was such a big advantage now, EVERYONE can use it! Nobody here has got a disadvantage!
I would like to see a destroyable drone in the future. Once destroyed it's gone for the rest of the match. And if you (PGI) wanted to implement a beginner friendly feature, without making some kind of tutorial, then maybe you link the drone with the first 25 games. I mean, you've got your cadet bonus plus your drone is not destroyable the first 25 games. After that, give them the information, that after the 25 they're entering the "real" game experience and that their drone is destroyable now.
There're are several ways we all can deal with it, it is NOT a game destroying feature! Calm down!
And yeah, well.... finally I can see my lovely Mechs and their paintjobs and pattern.

Edited by Tarzilman, 21 August 2013 - 07:36 AM.

[Almond Brown]

Reaganomicon, on 21 August 2013 - 07:17 AM, said:

I'm lollin' hard here, because this is so painfully wrong.

No, you do a chargeback, thereby retreiving your cashmoney and forcing PGI to sue you instead.

Chargeback terms:

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Customers dispute charges to their credit card usually when goods or services are not delivered within the specified time frame, goods received are damaged, or the purchase was not authorized by the credit card holder.

Which of those didn't you get exactly when you typed in your CC many months ago?