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[Corsair101]

Extremely disapointed in how this has been handled. I'm 100% okay with a 3rd person view being added to the game, but let us queue for 1st person only matches.

Edited by Corsair101, 23 August 2013 - 11:58 AM.

[RussianWolf]

I have been told that my Phoenix Project refund has been processed.

I am officially on financial boycott and will not be playing much if at all until I see some positive direction from Management. My hope is that they brighten up and start building a great game. My fear is this is now status quo and we will watch this die shortly as they fail to prioritize the real issues over the fluff.

Alienating paying customers in an attempt to gain potential customers is very bad business when it could easily have been avoided. Going for both is fine,

I pointed this out many moons ago when you were/and still are determined to focus solely on team base play when setting up for both teams and free-for-all is not that difficult. Lost players = lost revenues

[repete]

Ravensshadow, on 23 August 2013 - 11:29 AM, said:

Well here is my word. I will not spend another penny on MWO until hardcore mode is activated and we are given a guarentee it will not be turned off.

Given previous lies, would you believe them if they guaranteed it would never be removed?

[NanjaKang]

I never post to forums, any forums. But regarding this topic I have decided to.

This is by far one of the worst LIES I have paid for. I have given PGI/IGP about $140 for content in this game. Because I love shooting lasers from my robots and striking other robots with them. It's what I do. It's fun, I don't care about grinding C-bills, I care about game play.

3rd person view does not belong in a simulator game such as this. Simulation was the intention, and regardless of whether or not the publisher forced this decision or the developers think their job is hard or whatever excuse you ate for breakfast this morning... this was a poor decision, and if you can't see that, or won't admit to it, then it is undoubtedly fear induced by a loss of a paycheck.

The so called apology is a bunch of excuses, and this is about even with the reply of Maxis regarding SimCity. Keep this up, and maybe you will find yourself with the same reputation as EA.

This community has given these companies millions, and frankly, I don't care who's 10 year old doesn't understand mech movement mechanics. Sarah knew how to move a mech... and she didn't have 3rd person view to teach her anything. And yet we continue to hear these excuses about 3rd person view, the countless posts from developers and the like saying it would never happen, yet it did.

Iv'e had enough of this. I'm not giving this game, or these companies another dime until I see a product that resembles what was suggested at the beginning of this. Clearly I gave them too much anyway... and truly wonder now what they are spending this on. I wonder if you are taking the money we give you for Mechwarrior and pumping it into another project.

Both Piranha and Infinite should feel ashamed of themselves. I can deal with the penny mongering flash sales, and the lack of new content. But you changed game play, and if I feel forced to use this change to "even the odds so I do not feel I am at a disadvantage" then you have ruined a part of this game. Please focus on the parts of this game that matter. Maps, Mechs, and trying to retain as much fundamental Mechwarrior game play as possible.

http://i.imgur.com/moUwdQ0.jpg

[Demon Horde]

all this bickering over third person view , have any of you actually tried it to just see what "advantages" it supposably brings to the table? because I have and it brings NONE . the third person view they added actually feels severly gimped to me compared to first person. So I really see nothing wrong with it. I tried it just to be a good sport , and got my a-- handed to me in each try out . there is NO advatange. as for talking ahrdcore you forget every version of MechWarrior EVER had a third person view and most those games did in fact have a third person few that added advantages to it and after a good round of testing I can honestly say you feel severly gimped in 3rd person on MWO it has no advantages anyone that says you do have advantages obviously hasn't tried the mode out yet and just want to cry because the game didn't stay perfectly hard core. now I know I am going to get thumbs down but i'm stating facts through my own observations of trying the mode out and I can honestly say I have no intention of using the mode again.

[Demon Horde]

NanjaKang , they never promised to never do 3rd person in fact they always said they intended to work it in at some point while trying to keep it balanced. and I think they did just fine the third person is so gimped I doubt even new comers will care to use it .

[MajorBorris]

Demon Horde, on 23 August 2013 - 12:55 PM, said:

NanjaKang , they never promised to never do 3rd person in fact they always said they intended to work it in at some point while trying to keep it balanced. and I think they did just fine the third person is so gimped I doubt even new comers will care to use it .

They gimped it so they could justify ramming it down our throats.

Demon Horde, on 23 August 2013 - 12:51 PM, said:

all this bickering over third person view , have any of you actually tried it to just see what "advantages" it supposably brings to the table? because I have and it brings NONE . the third person view they added actually feels severly gimped to me compared to first person. So I really see nothing wrong with it. I tried it just to be a good sport , and got my a-- handed to me in each try out . there is NO advatange. as for talking ahrdcore you forget every version of MechWarrior EVER had a third person view and most those games did in fact have a third person few that added advantages to it and after a good round of testing I can honestly say you feel severly gimped in 3rd person on MWO it has no advantages anyone that says you do have advantages obviously hasn't tried the mode out yet and just want to cry because the game didn't stay perfectly hard core. now I know I am going to get thumbs down but i'm stating facts through my own observations of trying the mode out and I can honestly say I have no intention of using the mode again.

Hardcore players don't give a {Scrap} how gimped the current iteration of 3rdpv is, they don't want to play in the same game with cadets and players that use it for visual tactical advantage.

[Lugh]

Demon Horde, on 23 August 2013 - 12:55 PM, said:

NanjaKang , they never promised to never do 3rd person in fact they always said they intended to work it in at some point while trying to keep it balanced. and I think they did just fine the third person is so gimped I doubt even new comers will care to use it .

Blatantly false it is the most powerful scouting tool in the game at this time.

[Wild Hog]

Demon Horde, on 23 August 2013 - 12:55 PM, said:

NanjaKang , they never promised to never do 3rd person in fact they always said they intended to work it in at some point while trying to keep it balanced. and I think they did just fine the third person is so gimped I doubt even new comers will care to use it .

This is incorrect. They did in fact promise there would never be 3PV, the words have just been erased. Then they put the founders packs on sale.

[Cael Voltek]

Ravensshadow, on 23 August 2013 - 11:29 AM, said:

P.s. Also i have seen players sign up and quit matches that has anyone using 3rd person.... something to think about.

Quitting a match because someone is using 3PV is like a kindergartner crossing his arms and getting poopy lipped because they don't like the ball the other kids are playing with.

http://imgur.com/a1fOSe1

[Umbra8]

Demon Horde, on 23 August 2013 - 12:55 PM, said:

NanjaKang , they never promised to never do 3rd person in fact they always said they intended to work it in at some point while trying to keep it balanced. and I think they did just fine the third person is so gimped I doubt even new comers will care to use it .

What they promised was that people would never have to play in a queue with someone using third person if they didn't want to. You may note some people, posting in this forum, use that quote in their signatures. It's not something they made up, it's pulled from the dev post word for word. The fact that we have greyed-out 'hardcore' mode is a token gesture towards that promise, and until I get that separate queue I won't be playing.

Broken promise.

[FlipOver]

The more time it passes, the more effective ways experienced players find to use 3PV to their advantage:
Edit - Thanks to Frack the System for this video. At the time of this post, didn't, know who made it!


A small explanation if you didn't get the point of this video:
AC2/AC5 fast fire prevents you from fighting back effectively because everything shakes and explosion and smoke impairs your vision.
And then comes 3PV and that's all over.

Another thing: I bet you a cookie and 20 goats that once this game becomes really competitive (where winning doesn't just give you XP and C-Bills) there will be LOADS of people exploiting 3PV to their advantage in ways some didn't even think about.

PGI - Make an effort to really change this, please. Me and others love this game too much to give up right away, but the mood to play isn't the best and getting worst...

Edited by flipover, 24 August 2013 - 10:01 AM.

[Khalon]

Just talked to all my friends that I play MWO with and we will not be playing or giving money to this game until this 3pv thing is resolved. Maybe you should be working on the things the players actually want instead of adding something you thought would make your wallet fatter. Oops there goes another Mech sale....

[Khalon]

Snitchkilla, on 23 August 2013 - 11:29 AM, said:

QQ here is the differences ive seen since 3rd person has been added.. zero ,zip, zilch !i kill 3pv mechs the same as 1pv mechs. here is what i have noticed nothing what so ever is done to this game that doesnt get met with a endless stream of whining and crying and threats of quitting. For a bunch of adults (presumably since you have bank accounts and spend money on this game) you sound like spoiled kids. you want balance in game get better,learn tactics adapt!less QQ more PEW PEW!!!! that will solve most of your issues . i dont post much on here because of the lack of constructive imput from this community ,but i have been here since closed beta and it is an almost constant cry baby party. that being said get over you egos and sense of consumer entitlement and give some constructive feedback or ****. cuz this vet from tabletop and mw2 all the way throght mw4 and mwll sees few real problems with this game (minus the lack of the marauder)that given enough patience and time wont get worked out. like i said before LESS QQ MORE PEW PEW!

Says the guy who it would appear really has played this game as free.

[AndyHill]

One heroic person found the rare Spider bug and greatly helped PGI, so I decided to step in as well! Note the following Atlas related bug that has a similar "Can't see the enemy team, captain!" to "No, wait, I can see the enemy team ambushing us!" feel to it.



Unlike the very rare Spider bug I'm afraid this one with the Atlas is a bit more common, with situations like this arising on just about all the maps at several locations. I hope you can fix this one as well!

Oh btw, I'm having quite severe problems piloting my 'mech from this view, since not only is the most important tool for legs/torso coordination missing (the minimap), I can't really seem to see my legs very much at all.

[repete]

Demon Horde, on 23 August 2013 - 12:55 PM, said:

NanjaKang , they never promised to never do 3rd person...

***Bzzzzt***!

[Ensaine]

Demon Horde, on 23 August 2013 - 12:51 PM, said:

all this bickering over third person view , have any of you actually tried it to just see what "advantages" it supposably brings to the table? because I have and it brings NONE . the third person view they added actually feels severly gimped to me compared to first person. So I really see nothing wrong with it. I tried it just to be a good sport , and got my a-- handed to me in each try out . there is NO advatange. as for talking ahrdcore you forget every version of MechWarrior EVER had a third person view and most those games did in fact have a third person few that added advantages to it and after a good round of testing I can honestly say you feel severly gimped in 3rd person on MWO it has no advantages anyone that says you do have advantages obviously hasn't tried the mode out yet and just want to cry because the game didn't stay perfectly hard core. now I know I am going to get thumbs down but i'm stating facts through my own observations of trying the mode out and I can honestly say I have no intention of using the mode again.

C'mon man... REALLY? Ok, I will lead you to water then.


This is 1PV:




This is the SAME place, did not move legs or torso, merely hit F4 to toggle 3PV:




These, and hundreds of other pics are literally all over this site. I don't know HOW you came to your conclusions. Actually, I don't want to know.

[Quinton99]

RussianWolf, on 23 August 2013 - 12:23 PM, said:

I have been told that my Phoenix Project refund has been processed.

I put in a ticket this morning for a refund as well. Never should have thrown good money after bad.

[SirHitman]

All i really wanted was to see them understand that there is an issue with how they do things, but they couldnt even do that for us.

Quote

Greetings Sir Hitman,


Your refund has just been processed. It normally takes about 24 hours for our Payment Solution Provider to process it and it should be completed at the most in about 10 business days.

Regards,
Reppu
Senior GameMaster
MechWarrior® Online™

Edited by SirHitman, 24 August 2013 - 06:04 AM.

[Frack the System]

flipover, on 23 August 2013 - 03:31 PM, said:

The more time it passes, the more effective ways experienced players find to use 3PV to their advantage:



A small explanation if you didn't get the point of this video:
AC2/AC5 fast fire prevents you from fighting back effectively because everything shakes and explosion and smoke impairs your vision.
And then comes 3PV and that's all over.

Another thing: I bet you a cookie and 20 goats that once this game becomes really competitive (where winning doesn't just give you XP and C-Bills) there will be LOADS of people exploiting 3PV to their advantage in ways some didn't even think about.

PGI - Make an effort to really change this, please. Me and others love this game too much to give up right away, but the mood to play isn't the best and getting worst...

I knew almost as soon as I postet the vid that I should not have opened an extra thread for this and instead post it here !
Did not want to doublepost not to "anger" the mods to much, so thx for picking it up