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[XionCore]

Feedback? I don´t like to be lied to. You guys seriously suck. I´ve spend loads of money into MWO, just to get this BS. Whats next, uh, heat is sooo not casual, and 3PV needs a map b/c the new ones don´t know where to got. You can read that, right? It says "never". Like in "never ever". You are caught red-handed and defend yourself with more ****. Bad move.

[Karr285]

Bait and switch In Canada

http://www.competiti.../eng/03133.html

enjoy

[Iron Shamrock]

This really reminds me of that first big change happened to SWG. Can't remember what it was called, but it dropped about half the subscribers in a matter of days. Enhanced Game...or something like that... Deja-Vu

[Talrich]

Bryan,
I supported MWO developing 3PV, because I believed in the benefits for new players, benefits for showing off MWO's graphics, and PGI's assurances that a split queue would offer all the benefits with minimal impacts on hardcore players. I also tested 3PV and have now been shown the fool for believing you.

Even if you now believe that 3PV offers no significant advantage, open the HARDCORE queue. If the MWO player community agrees with your assessment, then that queue will be empty. Please show respect for your players, honor your word, and put your hypothesis to the test by opening the queue.

[LegioIV]

I love this game.. I love my centurion, I love the fact we can't boat Ppcs and I feel like this game has come so far, but to have 3rd pov in this game negates the simulator fact that I loved. Having 3rd handicaps new players and takes away the experience we all so enjoy. I will admit when I first started playing this game I admit for mechwarrior 3-4 I used 3rd pov but after being forced to use 1st I fell I love with it and will never go back.


You want money I get that, but we are the ones who are paying paint your bills now.. Not these new players you are hoping for. I'm honestly not sure what more to say other then you promised and then you went back on it.


Sorry for my bad grammar. I'm using my phone lol.

[Sgt Peanuts]

Dammit PGI, I don't care about mixing 3PV with 1PV, I just want my 1PV ONLY. No exceptions!

I'm glad I've never spent any money on this game, I would be asking for it back now too.

If things start looking up, I will gladly buy something. Although stuff is kinda overpriced right now.

[PropagandaWar]

Dude, Seriously think I'm gonna go do other things. I've spent hand over fist for this game and you keep frackin slapping us. You jsut throw {Scrap} at us and say sorry jackholes accept it. You hide numbers, you take things out then make us vote for it to be back in after saying it would be back in months ago. You sell a Kintaro with a borked CT and I still bought the damn things not knowing. WAR Thunder has a hardcore room. Yeah nobody plays it but its still there. HSR is borqued as all hell but hey I have 3pv see over the hill view. Woot! to the Frackin Woot! How do I feel after hearing paul say well we want more money when you borqud the C-Bill System. Well But Bloody Fraggin Premium with real money. Why did you screw that too? This is lame. Really fraggin lame.

[pantherzero]

Utterly disgusted, I suspected something like this might happen.
I Felt deceived after they insisted on putting 3pv into the game after strongly implying that it would never be.
The 'no significant advantage' people should confine themselves to console gaming as they clearly
lack the intelligence for pc gaming =]
the post concerning console kiddies at a games con not getting it and what I can only assume is a rather 'slow' kid not understanding how to move their mech is very very weak.

This has how ever solved my dilemma of if I should quit this patch or wait a few months until they merge 1pv and then quit.

[Kenyon Burguess]

im 15 pages too late to get a good rant in on the topic I guess lol

-I feel it gives a huge tactical advantage to scouting.

-poptarting has become much easier.

-it identifies new players for me to gank

-yes, it does seem to make my targeting easier as I whip around other mechs at 150kph.

-I don't feel its helping new players with learning movement controls

-the worst offense is that it doesn't promote team play at all. removal of the map and navigation hurts everyone on the team.

-it needs to be either on or off. if its on, let them have all the data they need to get by and show the legs. if its off, its hardmode. will it split the community, absolutely. but at least everyone will get a choice of with who, and how they want to play the game.

-as for what I will do now, that's easy, im going to farm the new players with the drones above their heads. fast spider attacking from long ranges and with the new 3pv I can now look over the ridges to see that I wont get sniped on approach. hopefully by the time I get bored hardcore mode will be in.

[Banshee Bullet]

you know what I find funniest about all this?

Nobody is using 3pv anyway. At the start of every match you see all the little camera drones disappear, maybe one or two people still have them on when they start moving.

How's that for feedback nobody likes 3pv and somebody at pgi decided to feed the trolls by making the pov keybind F4, rofl

[MonkeyCheese]

NARCoMAN, on 20 August 2013 - 02:35 PM, said:

WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Support this


Read the patch notes from the homepage news on my tablet while still in bed, thought oh good for you pgi and good for the 3pv supporters you finally have your little toy.

Actually booted up my computer and found the announcement.... All I gotta say is wow I have seen some pathetic game developers who are all 100% about the money in my time but wow implementing something the playerbase hates the idea of, but then saying dont worry the queues will be separate and then to do this.....
WTF INDEED NO MORE MONEY UNTILL THIS JOKE IS FIXED

Edited by MonkeyCheese, 20 August 2013 - 02:42 PM.

[Prezimonto]

I called it. I just didn't expect it to happen off the bat.

Turn 3PV into a free module for everyone please.

[Windies]

Banshee Bullet, on 20 August 2013 - 02:39 PM, said:

you know what I find funniest about all this?

Nobody is using 3pv anyway. At the start of every match you see all the little camera drones disappear, maybe one or two people still have them on when they start moving.

How's that for feedback nobody likes 3pv and somebody at pgi decided to feed the trolls by making the pov keybind F4, rofl

What about those people using it, whom you can't see their drones....?

[Geck0]

Niko Snow, on 20 August 2013 - 10:05 AM, said:

After designing, developing, and testing the MWO’s 3PV, we quickly realised that 3PV offered no significant advantage over 1PV. In fact we found each mode had pros and cons that played well with each other. This revelation changed our initial 3PV plans and we postponed Hardcore mode (separate queues for 1PV and 3PV), in favor of rethinking the idea and offering up a different solution that also addressed a few more community wish list items.


Please continue posting your feedback in the appropriate 3PV Feedback Thread.

Im sorry to be blunt but "offered no significant advantage" from a dev team that we see play and know aren't that good at the game. So you suck at the game and can't find an advantage so decide there is none. **********. Plenty of people have warmed up to the idea and the need for 3POV (Drones of shame) and accepted it so long as they didn't have to play it or against it. But you decided to instead lie or as you claim be completely ignorant of its advantages.

[CrimsonOdyssey]

So now we've established that PGI is following the Obama administrations example....

See video:



Not to be all political or anything but the only thing a man has (or company in this instance) in the end is his word.

Bad move PGI, it's going to be a rough road getting your player base to trust you again.

Time to go buy all my old armored core games again and play those for a while until this gets fixed. If it doesn't, see ya, no more money from me.

Edited by CrimsonOdyssey, 20 August 2013 - 03:10 PM.

[Mighty Spike]

Banshee Bullet, on 20 August 2013 - 02:39 PM, said:

you know what I find funniest about all this?

Nobody is using 3pv anyway. At the start of every match you see all the little camera drones disappear, maybe one or two people still have them on when they start moving.

How's that for feedback nobody likes 3pv and somebody at pgi decided to feed the trolls by making the pov keybind F4, rofl

like i said,your right:
"i wonder how can they say "there are so many people who liked this after playin first time"????? Especially the "3pv haters"????
this thread and many before shows something total difference...
make it immediatly chooseable,nothin more,nothin less....point ."

Edited by Mighty Spike, 20 August 2013 - 02:45 PM.

[Ranik Selesky]

Iron Shamrock, on 20 August 2013 - 02:36 PM, said:

This really reminds me of that first big change happened to SWG. Can't remember what it was called, but it dropped about half the subscribers in a matter of days. Enhanced Game...or something like that... Deja-Vu

NGE = New Game Experience. That along with CU "Combat upgrade" killed SWG dead as a ******* doornail.


So a lot like what PGI is up to now. Not beating a dead horse but actually attempting to dry hump it.

Edited by Ranik Selesky, 20 August 2013 - 02:47 PM.

[THE ERASER]

I'm on the fence here. There is that what Russ Bullock Posted and I get that to 100% or even more. We need a Mode here for the Beginners and Advanced Player where they can fight, train, getting used to the Mech Mechanics and have fun in the process. Hell it would even help to convince some of my friends to get MWO and getting used to Mechanics, because they don't have enough or any experience in the "Controls Systems" of a "Tanks" like in BF1942 because its similar to a Mech.

Even I used 3PV to get my situational awareness to a level in the combat flights Sim IL-2 Sturmovik so I could improve my piloting skill and then be on the same level like the other players/pilots/aces I faced in the Events like the global "Virtual Online War" (WW2 Plane Combat reenacted 1939 - 1945).

But for me, because I can control and manage a Plane or a Tank or now my Mech's in my sleep, I want the challenge, battle with players on the same level and that’s playing in the 1PV queue.

And still, after seeing the Screenshots where you can still see in 3PV, Mechs or objects around the corner when you don't or can't see that in 1PV in any way other to expose yourself or go out of your cover. That is an advantage plain and simple. You only need to relay that info on your Lance per TeamSpeak.

But if in this situation the enemy can still see the "Cam drone" hovering above the hill or whatever, than its fair game. The enemy can see that there is one looking in 3PV over the hill and they can react to that. You need to be quick about it to deploy and retract the drone to not reveal yourself. That is something to get Verified and tested with my buddy's. I need to get that done.

But I will also say there will be some way to get around it, Players will always do that. So to be sure we still need a hard option to disable this ability. Nearly every game has it like a game option or even a separate queue (See War Thunder).

So I will look forward to the introduction of the 1PV queue later and I really hope it is coming. I know its work and sometimes it takes more time but please stay on it. We need a 1PV queue.

[Slacka]

Quite annoyed...

[Hyzoran]

My 227 cents:

The problem is 3pvs very existence threatens the integrity of the game in serveral ways.

1. Such implementation was made despite widespread disagreement with said feature amongst the playerbase. - Why would you waste time & resources developing a feature that nobody is asking for?

2. It does not achieve it's goal. - It doesn't really help new players at all, but instead opens up new exploit possibilities into the game. In addition, this is not even the best method of easing new players into the game, a tutorial and training grounds would be much better suited to such a task.

3. Splitting/reducing community. - Your intentions of creating two seperate queues into the game only splits the playerbase. Infact, the mere existence of 3pv intensely upsets your playerbase.

4. ITS ON BY DEFAULT!!! - Probably the biggest issue, its on by default? WHY!???

In my opinion, the best course of action at this point would be to stop all development relating to 3pv or related queues, remove 3pv from the game, and announce its removal. 3PV is a lose-lose situation for everyone!

Edited by Hyzoran, 20 August 2013 - 02:47 PM.