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[Cale MacKenna]

Why did you not add in the ability to select only fight against people in 3rd person, first person and the like? That was an ability you stated would be added when you implemented 3rd person? Most of the population of this game did NOT want 3rd person, now you have pushed it through and we all have to suffer with it.... Why are you not listening to your player base?

Edited by Cale MacKenna, 20 August 2013 - 04:24 PM.

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Syrkres, on 20 August 2013 - 04:19 PM, said:

People I think the easy way to speak to PGI is simple.

STOP PLAYING.

I know it will be hard, it's a game we all love. But stop playing until they release what they have promised - separate queues.
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Couldn't agree more!
If I play this game again, will be to see if they did anything to change the 3PV or the seperate queues, other than that, as of this patch I have much better options of other games to choose from.

[Xendojo]

Tried 3pv, it gave me a headache. Also gave me a huge information advantage if i chose to exploit it. I can see absolutely no way whatsoever that 3pv helps new players, actually i can see it doing the exact opposite.


This is extremely disappointing in the extreme....this whole thing. This whole game that i was so excited about for so long....just no longer holds my interest. Since the April 2nd patch, iv'e pretty much only been playing on patch day, just because i had some hope of things improving. Now...i dunno man...PGI broke faith. You can't fix that with a patch...

[White Panther]

Real smooth PGI... So what else have you stated as "facts" that are also not going to be true?

[Jack Gallows]

Woops.



Well, that was fun.

Definitely in a holding pattern right now. Will have to see how they respond, give them a chance to reply to the feedback and see how things will progress.

[IceGryphon]

Revorn, on 20 August 2013 - 04:20 PM, said:

Save your Companys Money, you have wastet enough with develloping this Pice of ******.

Oh lord, if only you knew.... if only you knew....

[Kraven Kor]

Vasces Diablo, on 20 August 2013 - 04:23 PM, said:

I see you down there Paul. You reading this....

At least he is reading it.

I sincerely hope it helps.

[evlkenevl]

PGI seems to have become indifferent, even downright insulting, to it's source of income: us. Therefore, I refuse to purchase anything from either PGI or IGP and will remove myself from the number of online players until a 1pv-only mode is provided and made a permanently available selection.

Hope you like it!

[Effectz]

I see Paul is reading this thread,wonder if he has anything interesting to say.

[W00DSTER]

I neither dislike or like 3pv however the reticle for me seems bugged it will jump sometimes. More often than not I switch to first person anyways.

[DisasterMedic]

Colonel Pada Vinson, on 20 August 2013 - 03:51 PM, said:

seriuosly how many of you have actually tried playing an entire match in 3PV and found it BENEFICIAL to play the entire match like this? I cant even handle more than 30 seconds in 3PV and with no arm twist your at a real disadvantage. jumpsniping is also neigh impossible since the reticule shakes and your mech blocks the crosshair when falling.

Hey, look, it's Colonic "They will never renege on their promise to split the queues at the launch of 3rd person view" Panda Venison, making more statements that surely have equal factual weight as the ones that made him so famous!

[Nauht]

Just posted this in another thread but it's feedback they wanted regarding 3PV.

This is no longer my main game. Sure I'll play a game now and again and will probably buy something that I like and want but I'm past the point of caring where MWO goes and will not be spending on it like I used to... meaning no more GXP conversions, no more paints/camos, no need for cockpit fluff. I've played MMOs for over a decade so spending $20 (minimum) per month to sustain my main game was nothing (still a cheap hobby). I had no problems buying normal mechs for MC if I liked it and wanted it.

The motivation is gone. I'll just treat this game like a casual fling instead of upkeeping the missus.

It's the respect PGI deserves.

[Zomboyd]

3pv. biggest thing. make 1st person DEFAULT when you load in dont make 3rd person default. This way everyone drops in 1st person and checks a box if they want 3d person.

[IceGryphon]

Vasces Diablo, on 20 August 2013 - 04:23 PM, said:

I see you down there Paul. You reading this....

hahahaha, you act like it will make a difference.
He cares not for your pain. In fact he enjoys it.
https://twitter.com/...944571972571136

[von Pilsner]

I am done with the game unless the queues get separated, is too bad the devs must tell so many mis-truths to sell their game. I guess I am just glad I did not buy into Phoenix package (I predicted they would merge the queues [as so many of us did]).

[Jungle Rhino]

Colonel Pada Vinson, on 20 August 2013 - 03:51 PM, said:

seriuosly how many of you have actually tried playing an entire match in 3PV and found it BENEFICIAL to play the entire match like this? I cant even handle more than 30 seconds in 3PV and with no arm twist your at a real disadvantage. jumpsniping is also neigh impossible since the reticule shakes and your mech blocks the crosshair when falling.

That is irrelevant. The reason everybody is flipping out is because it is another bare face lie from pgi. Their focus is on revenue generation at the expense of gameplay.

3pv is primarily a push to increase uptake on camo/paint sales. As you said yourself it is terrible to play and I can't imagine it actually being beneficial for new players. You can't even see your own legs.

[MilitantMonk]

Well I guess I'm done playing until this gets sorted. I don't want to play in 3rd person. I don't want to play against people with little drones over their heads that let them see around corners. Just wow. You knew this was controversial to begin with and then just throw out everything that was promised.

I'm going to go play in some Tesla Firestorm Pods this weekend. That will have to be how I get my Mechwarrior itch scratched until 3rd person gets scrapped or shoveled into it's own queue.

[Lord Banshee]

It's always been 1PV since pre-Friends-And-Family.
It never would be 3PV.
Then it miiiiight be.

And now it is! SURPRISE! ...at the flip of a button. Give me convenience, or give me death.
You can see everything around you at the minimal cost of your minimap, which you don't care about at the moment as you are flipping around your mech with your eyeballs.
And then you flip back.

No competitive advantage? Really?

Rounding corners just became easy-mode. What's one of the quickest ways to lose armor? Round a corner and find 5 enemy mechs waiting for you, immobile to spoil Seismic. Now? Stop 15 meters away from the corner, conveniently behind your building/rock/hill/plane/etc. Merely hit F4 (or whatever it's mapped to) and crane around and view what could have been a hellacious firefight and half your armor vaporized... but NOT anymorrrrrrrrre!! Hahahahaha-ha-haah... ha heh... aw, frell it.

At least one (or more) of these statements is true:
PGI doesn't care about competitions.
PGI doesn't test with competitions in mind.
PGI's ersatz "play-testers" have no clue about competition play.
PGI's management now doesn't care if they lie to their populace; the money is theirs and save a refund it'll stay that way.

I'm just sickened.

[Danish Fury]

IceGryphon, on 20 August 2013 - 04:29 PM, said:

hahahaha, you act like it will make a difference.
He cares not for your pain. In fact he enjoys it.
https://twitter.com/...944571972571136

Paul started reading this thread, then immediately went to work updating his resume. As should everyone at PGI if they don't remove this fast.

Besides, it's not like they were lacking feedback on the subject of 3pv

[Xenon Codex]

Thanks Bryan for the command post. You summed up which pretty much everyone has already figured out, but still nice to hear it from the horses mouth.

My 2 cents...

I don't like 3PV games. Never have, they look like arcade games and dumb down the experience for me. I'm not a hardcore sim geek, but I do like immersion and the spectacle of realism and 1PV does that for me.

That said, I REALLY like that you didn't implement "hardcore" and "standard" mode queues like you originally stated. Why? Because it would gravitate new players towards sticking with 3PV, and eventually the game would be played by a small queue of 1PV stalwarts and a ton of 3PV gamers, neither wanting to compromise their playstyles to join forces. I think eventually the game would have splintered and probably "hardcore" mode would have been eliminated due to limited resources at PGI, or dwindling interest in 1PV. Even the term "hardcore" is enough to dissuade most casual gamers from attempting to play it--gamers that would do very well in 1PV otherwise.

If this game is to be successful, and if 3PV helps bring in players, then you really can't split the playerbase. You need to create incentives for players to switch to 1PV. It's a thin line your walking though, because if you gimp 3PV too much, then new players will get frustrated and not even attempt 1PV with all the benefits.

This should be fully explained in your upcoming tutorials. Tell them that 3PV is a TRAINING AID and to really excel at MWO they need to get into the cockpit. Perhaps have a series of canned missions (10 or so) where the new player starts off in 3PV then moves to 1PV in order to "graduate" and unlock some goodies.