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[DeaconW]

Skunk Wolf, on 20 August 2013 - 04:58 PM, said:

3rd person users WITH AIMING ASSIST may I add. Check it out.

Not as in 3rd party software. It's freaking built into the mode.

Try it, lock onto a target and you will see your reticule automatically snap to a part of the targeted mech when you move it close.

WHAT?!?! You have got to be kidding me...

[Dredhawk]

Never mind...

Edited by Dredhawk, 20 August 2013 - 05:05 PM.

[MoonUnitBeta]

Skunk Wolf, on 20 August 2013 - 04:58 PM, said:

Try it, lock onto a target and you will see your reticule automatically snap to a part of the targeted mech when you move it close.

Actually this is how they ra tracing is handled... it doesn't go by what your 3PV camera sees, it goes by the view from your cockpit, and the reticle that you see in 3pv snaps-to the closest object. They need to fix this because it's hectic to aim at mechs up-close without looking at the back of your mech. and it also makes it very hard to aim because you naturally aim at what you want to, but the reticle snaps to the box that's infront of you that you didn't even notice.

DeaconW, on 20 August 2013 - 05:03 PM, said:

WHAT?!?! You have got to be kidding me...

quoting you so you can read the above. there is no aim assist or aim bot or w/e people label it.

Edited by MoonUnitBeta, 20 August 2013 - 05:08 PM.

[RainTuga]

Tearounet, on 20 August 2013 - 04:50 PM, said:

This is my first, and will probably my last comment on the forums, but i need to add to what has been said.

Before i forget, 3rd person feedback : it sucks.

Now, it's the second time i actually experience a company saying a lot of things and delivering nothing at best, and {Scrap} at least. I can understand the need to make the game more accessible to new players, and i am not against it...

BUT - is 3rd person really the best idea you had to keep new players ? Wasn't a real Tutorial ever considered ? Or adding more features YOU PROMISED like the community warfare, thus, adding more depth to the game itself ?

I love MWO, but i am tired of reading empty promises.
Many people, including myself, had faith in PGI and MWO.

If you continue down the path you took when you decided to make 3rd person view a priority, you might LOOSE more players than you will attract...

Tearounet i make your words my own....
Well said sir!

[SirLankyIII]

While i didn't think 3PV was that big of a deal on the test server, I could still see how it would convey some advantages for scouting and peeking, even if it is sub-par for actual combat due to the reticule snapping and lack of arm movement.

All of that said I'm extremely disappointed the 1PV queue has been disabled for the moment without any indication of when it will be implemented or what if anything will replace it. While I'm not about to ask for any refunds or stop playing in protest I must still voice my extreme dissatisfaction at PGIs regular willingness to make major changes and go back on promises without first informing the player base before hand or at least explaining what will be coming in trade for what we were promised.

Edited by SirLankyIII, 20 August 2013 - 05:10 PM.

[Ransack]

Well PGI, I have calmed down now after my initial head rush. I am sure that you guys will not be reading this thread, and that it will soon end up missing or in K-Town. But I wanted to say that You guys really screwed the pooch on this one. You guys forced me into a break with the silly ecm implementation that you said was not over powered. That same system has to have three separate counters now. Now you put this {Scrap} in, that does nothing to help the people that you wanted to put it in for. I am extremely upset behind this, and i will not support your further efforts unless you get back to the original planned implementation. I am not going to bother installing this patch on my machine. I have uninstalled the test client, and I will take a break until next patch. I have spent roughly $500 on a free to play game and I am sure others are in my a similar situation. I hope that you enjoy the bed that you are making for yourselves, but this sucker is not parting with any more cash. Enjoy what you got already.

[DeaconW]

Vanguard319, on 20 August 2013 - 05:06 PM, said:

Better to be blind than crying like a spoiled rotten five year old.

Awesome post! I have one less person to read tripe from since I am adding you to my ignore list. Thx much.

[Wired]

So, one match with it and I only had one piloting failure - couldnt see my legs so I was walking the wrong way when I was trying to retreat behind a rock, of all things. But since I knew my way around the map already, I could use 3pv pretty well. The onyl reason I had to turn it off was that it was possibly messing up my aim because I couldnt judge if the lip of the volcano was going to block my shot or not.

[ObsidianSpectre]

3PV is one of those things, on it's own, I could probably live with. I'd rather it weren't there, but it's not really a deal breaker if that's all there was. However, I can't help but feel like I've been lied to. Tricked into my earlier defense of 3pv. Furthermore, how many of these things am I going to have to just live with? ECM, consumables, Ghost Heat, seismic, slow economy, 3PV - how many more can they stack on?

[East Indy]

Third-person is fine. I've neither seen many players using it nor read any concern from players on either team in any match I've been in. I haven't seen any blinking droid above the heads of 'Mechs that have destroyed my ride.

I can't believe how entitled and captious some members of this playerbase can be. This "uproar" is ridiculous.

[Aggressor666]

wow 30 pages of pure hatred in about 4-5 hours and no answer from PGI

[ClanKiller]

After designing, developing, and testing the MWO’s 3PV, we quickly realised that 3PV offered no significant advantage over 1PV. In fact we found each mode had pros and cons that played well with each other. This revelation changed our initial 3PV plans and we postponed Hardcore mode (separate queues for 1PV and 3PV), in favor of rethinking the idea and offering up a different solution that also addressed a few more community wish list items.

WOW, these people even play this game?

IF you take the game at is base and don't play on coms or use any teamwork, maybe there is no advantage, but anyone who is on comms using teamwork KNOWS this is a huge advantage.

WOW!!!

[Homeless Bill]

Aggressor666, on 20 August 2013 - 05:15 PM, said:

wow 30 pages of pure hatred in about 4-5 hours and...

[White Panther]

After seeing PGI and NGNG teams play on streaming, how could anyone believe they have the credibility to actually know what is balanced or not?

[WM Wraith]

Most companies listen to their customers in two ways - voiced opinions like those in this forum, and by the loss of income disgruntled customers display when no longer buying their goods or services.

The response in this thread is overwhelming in it the agreement by the masses that there should be no 3PV view in this game.

Seems that was the case from as far back as closed beta when I put my money down as a founder, well before it was put in to the game code as well.

Now all that is left is to express opinion with our money not being spent towards the game until 3PV is removed.

I was literally about to plunk down my money today for the Project Phoenix mechs/package.

This game will not get another dollar from me. What could have been great, is turning mediocre to support the kiddie xbox experience junkies who "have" to have a 3PV to play any game.

I walked away once for almost a year because of issues exactly like this. Seems I will be doing so again.


Sad PGI, just sad.

[Killashnikov]

BTW:
3pv IS a problem for top line play. I have played at competition level. Sniping at this level makes scouting an art and one hell of a risk. Forget that now - turn on 3pv and see over or around obstacles. Free visibility while immune from damage. Wait till you see how good snipers and pop-tarters can take advantage of this. Before they even expose themselves they will know exactly where you are and be ready to shoot as soon as they expose themselves. Stalkers were bad before but I shudder to think what they can achieve now.

[Fireborn]

"Change in direction!" the company said.
Broken promise on the player's thread.

[Livewyr]

As Icegryphon is artfully demonstrated...
This is an invincible scout telling his team all about you, while you cannot target or shoot him.

This is why you needed a lot more testing.

This was very short-sighted.

[Homeless Bill]

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I've seen the screencap of the spider at the top of River City. I want to say thanks for finding a bug. If you go up there, you can tell it's a bug. If you look up slightly, or to the left or right slightly, the camera crashes back in and you can't see much at all.

To recreate, take a Spider in River City - Training Grounds. Get to that spot and jam your face directly into that corner (still doesn't happen yet). Now look down as far as the Spider can look. Bam! It happens. The raytrace for the camera is breaking through that particular spot in geometry. We are having an engineer look into why this is happening. Again. While there, look away in any direction just SLIGHTLY and the camera returns to the position it's supposed to be in. Very nice bug find and as mentioned, we will look into what's causing this.

TL;DR: The Spider picture is a bug, so all your concerns are invalid.

[newby]

3 pov ..is this hawken?