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[Paewen]

Punk Oblivion, on 20 August 2013 - 10:10 PM, said:

2) (and sorry if this is already do-able) Make the little camera destructible, Give it 10-15 hitpoints, and if it is destroyed, your screen goes blank for 2-3 seconds, and you lose 3PV the rest of the match.

This would be acceptable, but it has to be vulnerable to friendly fire.

Then the community can get what they were told and what they want.

Edited by Paewen, 20 August 2013 - 10:19 PM.

[saintchuck]

Rathmere, on 20 August 2013 - 09:04 PM, said:

Lol, flame wars! I'd forgotten about WoT having it. Good point.

WoT also has fog of war. If a teammate doesn't see the tank around the corner then you don't see it no matter what type of camera convolutions you do.

And since the forum seems to be buckling under the onslaught of this thread and doesn't register posts:

If I decide not to throw away all the money and time I have invests in MWO, I will quit any match when I see someone from either team in 3PV.

[repete]

abokor, on 20 August 2013 - 09:30 PM, said:

This is the first time I'm posting on the MWO forums. PGI has blatantly lied to us, regardless of what others coming to their defense might say. Regardless of issues of balance or playerbase segregation the fact remains that PGI has repeatedly and unapologetically lied to their customers. This is a blatant betrayal of customer confidence and is unforgivable. There might be those who would say that's dramatic; I don't agree. I'm just commenting on a sad turn of events.

PGI, you want my 3PV feedback? Sure: Stop lying to your customers. I don't even care how it affects gameplay anymore, because I'm not going to have my trust exploited repeatedly and continue to play your game. Or give you money.

You've just segregated a part of your playerbase even further.

PGI must be desperate to go through with these changes despite what they must have anticipated would result in negative player backlash. Or stupid. I'm hoping desperate, because the alternative is pathetic. Either way, I'm actually a little ashamed that I've spent hundreds of dollars on this game.

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MischiefSC, on 20 August 2013 - 09:38 PM, said:

EXACTLY.

I've done consulting work in the marketing field (well, contracts that last for months/years, training sales and customer facing staff, etc) and this sort of stuff is just painful. It's the damn 'grass is always greener' thing. Some exec has what he thinks is an 'a-ha' moment, in this case Russ saw some kids at a game con walk away from his demo and erroneously translated this into teeming masses of teen casual gamers with credit cards full of money who really, really want to play MWO but couldn't get a handle on movement in 30 seconds and moved on due to a lack of gimped 3PV.


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[Caviel]

Running several 12 v 12 drops tonight, we noticed a distinct scouting advantage with 3PV. Yes, it puts a drone over your head, although it gives you visibility well outside what you would get with even seismic. Since you can toggle it in game at any time, you can switch to 3PV to see if the "coast is clear".

Is 3PV game breaking? No.

Is it an absolute requirement? No.

Does it provide a competitive advantage with occasional use when used beyond the "new pilot" intention? Absolutely.

While it can't target, you can absolutely gain more information about enemy movement than you could otherwise. The blinking light over your head is really a trivial drawback since it can't be destroyed, and you can easily switch back to 1PV and move should the enemy feel the need to advance on your position since you can see them coming.

Example:
1st Person view, Frozen City training grounds:



3PV, same location, circled enemy mechs:


So no, not "game breaking", although you can easily gain more information than you could otherwise. It just feels cheap.


Edit: Just in case it wasn't clear, my images above are the exact reason why I was/am opposed to this feature.

Edited by Caviel, 20 August 2013 - 10:23 PM.

[Zephyr Charge]

Mystere, on 20 August 2013 - 10:07 PM, said:

What reassurance do we have that you did not immediately reinstall?

The next knighted question gonna be "how do we know you arent uninstalling and reinstalling over and over every tome you make a pic?

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DCM Zeus, on 20 August 2013 - 09:42 PM, said:

Here is Paul telling the community f*ck you in the nicest possible way.

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[Mystere]

Paewen, on 20 August 2013 - 10:17 PM, said:

This would be acceptable, but it has to be vulnerable to friendly fire.

Go ahead. Admit it. You really want to shoot your own team mates drone.

[Zephyr Charge]

Deathlike, on 20 August 2013 - 10:08 PM, said:

I'm thinking some magically OP hero mech... like probably an upcoming Hero Orion on launch month. It wouldn't take too much to do. We're just lucky some hero mechs look like the Pretty Baby or Golden Boy (although, not in a good way). Imagine an Orion that can actually shove 2 PPC + 2 Gauss into the hero mech chassis. It wouldn't take two seconds before the forum rage to ignite.

Clan Mechs for MC only (or 2.0 Gold heatsinks for MC only)

[repete]

Zephyr Charge, on 20 August 2013 - 10:20 PM, said:

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The next knighted question gonna be "how do we know you arent uninstalling and reinstalling over and over every tome you make a pic?

HUGE 'LIKE' with lots of guffawing. Nah. It will be "How do we know you didn't Photoshop it out of that image?".

Edited by repete, 20 August 2013 - 10:23 PM.

[Punk Oblivion]

Paewen, on 20 August 2013 - 10:17 PM, said:

This would be acceptable, but it has to be vulnerable to friendly fire.

Then the community can get what they were told and what they want.

That would be fun, I can't play in 3PV, I think it's terrible, so I would deploy it right away and let friendly fire take it out. Good stress relief for the team before the match starts haha

[repete]

Miekael, on 20 August 2013 - 09:51 PM, said:

Bump cause I am out of LIKES

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[Mystere]

Zephyr Charge, on 20 August 2013 - 10:20 PM, said:

The next knighted question gonna be "how do we know you arent uninstalling and reinstalling over and over every tome you make a pic?

Since you mentioned it ...

[Ohsh]

Welp this game is forever tainted (hint it's been going that way for awhile now). Time to actually go do some fun stuff, like playing Flight Simulator X (TM microsoft).

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Miekael, on 20 August 2013 - 09:51 PM, said:

Bump cause I am out of LIKES

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Ranik Selesky, on 20 August 2013 - 09:50 PM, said:

Nobody uses it to corner peek?

Nobody uses it to look over hills both small and hilltops?

Nobody uses it to line up shots for poptarting?

Nobody uses it to risklessly scout enemy movements?

Are you joking or just naive? Just because people don't have it on non-stop doesn't mean it isn't messing up the game.

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[StandingCow]

Zephyr Charge, on 20 August 2013 - 10:20 PM, said:

The next knighted question gonna be "how do we know you arent uninstalling and reinstalling over and over every tome you make a pic?

How do we know you aren't uninstalling and reinstalling over and over every time you make a pic?

Sorry, had to.

[Paewen]

Mystere, on 20 August 2013 - 10:22 PM, said:

Go ahead. Admit it. You really want to shoot your own team mates drone.

Of course.

[repete]

StandingCow, on 20 August 2013 - 09:58 PM, said:

That's the other concern that this brings up.... so PGI went back on coolant... fine I understand. They go back on 3PV, but russ gives a heartfelt post on why he has changed his mind... ok, I don't like it but I can respect that. Now they go back on the queues so 3PV is part of all the games.... I have already mentioned how much I hate this and feel lied to.

So, what sort of precedent does this set for the game? What can we even believe from PGI anymore? Is the next step P2W because they changed their minds? What else is coming that will harm the game but we were promised it would never happen?

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[Deathlike]

Zephyr Charge, on 20 August 2013 - 10:22 PM, said:

Clan Mechs for MC only (or 2.0 Gold heatsinks for MC only)

I wouldn't put it past PGI to do that, honestly.

[StandingCow]

repete, on 20 August 2013 - 10:29 PM, said:

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If I like your like post of my post... is that like me liking my own posts?