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[Khan Warlock Kell]

If something doesn't work I am all for fixing it. But right now the way PGI communicates with us is a disgrace. So many times now you have promised one thing and done another. so many times you have kept hidden what you are doing because of the fear you know it will outrage the community. I think you need to take a little time and reflect on what this means. Either you are doing something wrong. or the community is. I maybe just one voice raging against the constant stream of broken promises, and out right lies. but unless you change the way you deal with the community I fear for the game. I am a member of one of the larger units here in MWO and if the way members of my unit are talking is the same in other units. the trickle of players you have lost previously is shortly going to turn into a flood. PGI think about what you are doing to this game and to this community and fix things before the damage moves from critical to fatal.

[ATao]

To all those "PGI f***ed us crybabies":

1. The current implementation of 3PV isn't giving enough advantages as aim is wonky, you have no map and flying bot is giving out your position.
2. Different queues are REALLY BAD way to go. MWO is a niche game with small to average audience. We don't need longer queues cause of not enough people going for hardcore or casual mode.


Now if you ask me about 1PV&3PV I'm a firm believer that 3PV is not needed at all and 1PV is the only way to go.

Serious new player experience can help newbs much more than this clunky version of 3PV. They don't understand torso twisting? Make 'em pass full tutorial mission with c-bills (and maybe even small MC) awards where virtual instructor gives careful explanation on how things work. For example you can't start playing DotA2\LoL without passing such tutorial.

Still our dear PGI believes that 3PV is needed more than tutorial. Let's thank 'em that it's version is not giving serious advantages and is total **** in terms of usability. Oh wait... this isn't helping new player experience, is it ? Newb goes into battle and thinks something like: "WTF?! Why is my reticle jumping like mountain goat?! What a crappy game!"

I really hope that people in PGI will understand that complex new player experience via single-player missions is that much better than clunky crutches of 3PV.

Edited by Alexander Malthus, 20 August 2013 - 02:01 PM.

[Alex Warden]

ragbasti, on 20 August 2013 - 01:49 PM, said:

sorry for my language but this has to be said:

Remove the ******* aimbot !
This is just plain rediculous!

can´t say it any better...

TAKE THIS DAMN THING OUT!!!

[Barranoid]

Oh look we've been lied to....again.

Edit : Just to want to make clear that with the forced 3rd person I'm out of here. Not going to play that until either it's dropped again or whatever-could-let-me-play-against-ppl.-without-3rd-person-view...



Seriously this starts to smell like someone gave PGI some free "boost your arrogance" pills a couple of weeks ago and they start to kick in. I'm really starting to wonder wether I can still opt out of the founders and phoenix programs and get my money back. There's plenty of Kickstarter projects that seem to be sticking to their promisses and surely could use the money.

Edited by Barranoid, 20 August 2013 - 02:10 PM.

[Monky]

To everyone saying 'they will enable queues soon'

Check this out;

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After designing, developing, and testing the MWO’s 3PV, we quickly realised that 3PV offered no significant advantage over 1PV. In fact we found each mode had pros and cons that played well with each other. This revelation changed our initial 3PV plans and we postponed Hardcore mode (separate queues for 1PV and 3PV), in favor of rethinking the idea and offering up a different solution that also addressed a few more community wish list items.


Please continue posting your feedback in the appropriate 3PV Feedback Thread.

- Bryan Ekman

http://mwomercs.com/...e-those-queues/

This also demonstrates the tactical ineptitude of the team at their own game if they can't figure out how to game 3PV for an advantage. Oh well.

Edited by Monky, 20 August 2013 - 02:05 PM.

[Wolke]

I can't take this dishonesty anymore. I want my money back. The trust I placed in PGI was obviously in error.

[Stewbawl]

now that 3rd person view is out there i'm loving it. but i have one problem.

when i'm in 3rd person view my crosshairs lurch around and it's very annoying. it looks like it lurches onto mechs almost like an auto aim thing. i can also tell that it is lurching to mechs that are hidden by terrain. the cursor/crosshair is very erratic.

[Gulinborsti]

Well, this is no good news:

http://mwomercs.com/...e-those-queues/

I told myself over and over that PGI - after they decided to "soften up" their initial position on 3PV - will somehow handle the implications. As they did successfully with many issues, although in disputable ways (*cough*heat penalties*cough).

But finally we got exactly what the 3PV opposing crowd feared from the beginning:

Free choice of 1PV and 3PV in all matches with all the negative implications that came with every implementation of 3PV in every game in the history of computer games.

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... we quickly realised that 3PV offered no significant advantage over 1PV.

This is simply wrong, even with the restrictions and bad implementation of 3PV, the inferior usability in actual fights, it still gives the usual advantages:

It is possible to scout over hills and obstacles
It is possible to look around corners

The option to switch between 1PV and 3PV whenever you want bears to power to rip the game to pieces. If PGI at least made you to choose a view mode for a whole game ..

After this post I will go back to the game and start 3PV snipping, magic scouting ... exploiting 3PV in every thinkable way. Only to proof how wrong the above statement is.

I am disappointed but I love the game (because of the genre) and most likely stay around until at least October 15th

I assume that within 2 months from now it should be possible to find a satisfying solution - satisfying for the players, not PGI.

Let's hope the best, but it seems we have to fear the worst...

[ThePieMaker]

Lied straight to our faces.
In my opinion we should not let this slide.

[matux]

from Bryans CC post

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After designing, developing, and testing the MWO’s 3PV, we quickly realised that 3PV offered no significant advantage over 1PV. In fact we found each mode had pros and cons that played well with each other. This revelation changed our initial 3PV plans and we postponed Hardcore mode (separate queues for 1PV and 3PV), in favor of rethinking the idea and offering up a different solution that also addressed a few more community wish list items.

TL;DR..... we dont care what you think, now here is another MC item for you..

Edited by matux, 20 August 2013 - 02:01 PM.

[DeathofSelf]

Those of us who called this get an internet cookie

Edit: "this" being --> http://mwomercs.com/...e-those-queues/

Edited by DeathofSelf, 20 August 2013 - 02:06 PM.

[Timto]

Alex Warden, on 20 August 2013 - 01:05 PM, said:

LOL... nice aimbot PGI... nuff said.

IT IS DEFINITELY AN AIMBOT

[Skadi]

ThePieMaker, on 20 August 2013 - 02:00 PM, said:

Lied straight to our faces.
In my opinion we should not let this slide.

Bump for great justice.

[Moku]

Wow you guys have no honor. If I were a from the clans, PGI would probably be dezgra. I know what I'll do when I'm on the battlefield.

[Venares]

IceGryphon, on 20 August 2013 - 01:51 PM, said:

Pretty much sums up what EVERYONE is pissed about.

How you can say "3PV offered no significant advantage over 1PV" with a stright face is beyond belivable.
How the hell is the above not a MAJOR ******** advantage.
It's game breaking beyond all belief and should NEVER, NEVER have made it into the game PERIOD!

Consider me one of many who will no longer be paying your wages PGI.

Edited by Venares, 20 August 2013 - 02:06 PM.

[Timto]

Honor?

ragbasti, on 20 August 2013 - 01:49 PM, said:

sorry for my language but this has to be said:

Remove the ******* aimbot !
This is just plain rediculous!

[VagGR]

so this is the new core mechanic..3pv for spotting enemies 1pv to shoot them..switching back and forth between views this is what we ended up with...

please keep addressing your communitys wish list you are doing a great job at it. just let us know when are you planning to introduce regenarating health...or maybe a cover system...

[Rooster Cogburn]

game over man I go away for three months and come back to this shitt. Honestly im surprised anyone is still willing to play this game. the mwo fans are like abused wives that's right officer i fell down the stairs no my husband didn't hit me. People should realize pgi has been charging people to play the beta of this game for some time. They have lied to us all so many times that I cant remember the last time I believed them. Also with zero effort to give the community what it wants and force the stupidest implementation of 3pv possible I have to think this was a very bad attempt to sell more paint. So to all who truly love the MechWarrior franchise don't let them **** it further with this ******** 3pv.Just stop logging in spend no more this is the only way to get through to money grubbing pgi. In closing screw you pgi only a clown shoes outfit like yourselves could screw MechWarrior up this bad for diehard fans like me.

[Mr Blonde]

Damn, I hate being right all the time. And although I was right, I gambled on PP Overlord. Now it is useless, because the game has officially been shat upon by its creators. I can't remember being so excited about a game, then having to watch in horror as it came to this. I played this very morning before going to work, now I must remember my last good experience as a loss? Weak. I can't believe the level of deception that was pushed on the community with this 3PV {Scrap}. That's the worst of it, is that we were just slapped around like red-headed stepchildren, and kept coming back for another helping of BS when any new thread was started about 3PV. How could it be any more opposite than what we were promised? This is now Bizarro MWO. The noobs and hackers will rule, and lovers of Battletech and Mechwarrior wiil suffer. Might as well drag Star Wars Galaxies back out, and MarioKart. I go now to play one last time, praying that this affront to all that is good and decent will be retracted. Hot Fix!!! And if not, then they can take my stolen $200, roll those bills up nice and tight, and stick em where the sun doesn't shine. They will see not another thin dime from me.

[Mighty Spike]

Ponyboy, on 20 August 2013 - 01:53 PM, said:

The more I play this game with 3rd person view, the more I dislike it. I will simply shelf the game until a 1pv queue is implemented.

i wonder how can they say "there are so many people who liked this after playin first time"????? Especially the "3pv haters"????
this thread and many before shows something total difference...
make it immediatly chooseable,nothin more,nothin less....point .