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[Zeus X]

Russ, not only do you look like an ******* with these twitter posts, but you are making the entire PGI staff look bad too.


This only solidifies how much you to don't give a rats a$$ about the community.

[JuiceKeeper]

i didnt tried 3PV on public test just now after patch. Personaly i prefer 1PV and i will dont use it till game will force me to. But that 3PV camera isnt that much advantage especialy when aiming is hampered. Personaly i would love to see those drones little bit bigger and destructable. So when u see somewhere floating small drone behind ridge u can shoot it down and move in. I wouldnt mind if there would be some cooldown on "rebuilding drone".

[Galen Crayn]

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WOW! i'm not normally one to write on the forums but plz,plz,plz people stop the bitching and whining.It seems to be the majority of what this forum is used for..and by a minority... saying all the the MWO community hates 3pv is a crock of ****..you dont speak for me or many others!!
Having tried 3pv it doesnt bother me one way or the other .all ill say is if you dont like it simply push F4 and "GET ON WITH IT" ..play the game people ,as it is simply that "A GAME" . ive never seen a more **** retentive bunch of ****** in my life .Ive spent so much money WAHH WAHH WAHH, i cant boat my 6PPC WahhWAHH, I dont like LRMs, SSRM, SRM, Gaus rifle, poptarting ,alpha striking, spiders, jenners, the list goes on!!WAHH WAHH wAHH . !!! Throw your rattle out of your pram!!

having a bad day!, you've pissed me off children! .. Have a nice day!
Oh and i'm not going to answer any replies to this as i wont engage the **** trolls(not all ,some are constructive) who frequent the forums! see you in game!

THATS exactly what i was thinking

[Devil Fox]

Well I didn't touch live MWO for any games... just a check of the BS that is 3PV in training grounds. Honestly I tested this on PTS and wasn't impressed, but had the 'belief' that the "hardcore" queue would allow me to skip the sham 3PV mode. Well this has pushed me over to more engaging MMO's that actually have better content and public relations...

[Deathz Jester]

DCM Zeus, on 21 August 2013 - 01:53 AM, said:

Russ, not only do you look like an ******* with these twitter posts, but you are making the entire PGI staff look bad too.


This only solidifies how much you to don't give a rats a$$ about the community.

Quickly on their way to join Phil Fish somewhere in a lonely bar exchanging hateful petty remarks...

[Devil Fox]

Pickle Monsoon, on 21 August 2013 - 01:52 AM, said:

WOW! i'm not normally one to write on the forums but plz,plz,plz people stop the bitching and whining.It seems to be the majority of what this forum is used for..and by a minority... saying all the the MWO community hates 3pv is a crock of ****..you dont speak for me or many others!!
Having tried 3pv it doesnt bother me one way or the other .all ill say is if you dont like it simply push F4 and "GET ON WITH IT" ..play the game people ,as it is simply that "A GAME" . ive never seen a more **** retentive bunch of ****** in my life .Ive spent so much money WAHH WAHH WAHH, i cant boat my 6PPC WahhWAHH, I dont like LRMs, SSRM, SRM, Gaus rifle, poptarting ,alpha striking, spiders, jenners, the list goes on!!WAHH WAHH wAHH . !!! Throw your rattle out of your pram!!

having a bad day!, you've pissed me off children! .. Have a nice day!
Oh and i'm not going to answer any replies to this as i wont engage the **** trolls(not all ,some are constructive) who frequent the forums! see you in game!

Bitching and whining over a feature of a major piece of content missing that 'allowed' people to stomach it's introduction. Follow this by the removal of any plan to finish this full features development for those who want only 1PV... yea it's all useless.

[Kaiser Thermidor]

Tried 3PV out in Testing Grounds. Didn't seem very helpful for new players: only on select mechs can you see enough of the legs (not waist/hips) to understand that your torso and legs are unaligned at a glance/with peripheral vision. It does give you a slightly better impression that you are not going the direction you are facing, however, if you are turned to a side. For movement training, it might be sufficient. It also has the added advantage of letting you see what, if anything, you are running into without having to take your view off a target completely (perhaps you might have to partially, depends). I think this is where you got the "people started navigating better" conclusion, since the minimap and compass do a fine job of telling me where my legs are pointing... assuming I know to look there in the first place.

However, Third Person View is not suited at all to fighting. I know armlock is popular with newbies, but it's not a habit you should be encouraging, PGI. Armlock is a very significant disadvantage based on range of motion alone, not to mention arm movement speed v. torso movement speed. If you want to retain players, you should not be setting them up for failure. This is MechWarrior Online, not MechMovement Online: enabling new players to successfully navigate to their enemies only to be shot down with ease by another player is not going to encourage them to stay and give you money. They're going to go "WTF I can't aim game sucks" and leave. There were also significant issues with the reticule jumping due to the pseudo-FPV, making aiming even more difficult beyond just target acquisition due to a sluggish reticule.

I think, for me, it comes down to this: Third Person just doesn't make sense (as is). I played MW4/MW3 in Third Person all the time, almost exclusively. I love to be able to see my mech be awesome and shoot things, see my cool colours and paint scheme, maybe escape the cockpit designs I don't like. But this version of Third Person View is just... to put it mildly, poorly implemented. You tried to please everyone at once, and the end result has just made both sides of the fence mad. I would have enjoyed playing 3PV, but as it is, it's just not going to be possible. When you tried to handicap it to make it acceptable to the people who want MWO to be a strict simulation, you destined it to be disappointing to the people who wanted to have a legitimate chance of playing in Third Person. As it is, and as others have stated: it's useful for looking around corners or over things. That's it. I can't move in it well (even being able to see if I'm about to walk into something), I can't shoot in it hardly at all, so what other use can there be for it?

My suggestion is, if you are just absolutely dead set on having Third Person in MWO, to have two separate queues: One First Person and the other Third Person, both exclusively that type of view. You cannot balance the two views so that one does NOT have an advantage over the other. It's just not possible, due to their inherent traits.
Otherwise, remove 3PV and just make a tutorial level. Seriously. That would have been resources better spent, I think.
Or, alternatively, let people have a 1v1 duel mode so I can take my friends in there and show them how it works without the pressure of being in a match.

[FlipOver]

SOLUTION

STEP 1:
After correcting the "not being able to see the mechs legs" issue...
Make a TUTORIAL as an option for people who goto the TRAINING GROUNDS (IE: After choosing TG and presented with the maps list, have a checkbox that's labeled "TUTORIAL").
On the TUTORIAL make some challenges for the player to get to know the mech's mobility system:
1-Activate the 3PV and Show on screen "Press F4 key to toggle between views"
2-Move the mech right/left/front/back and in a certain path
3-Use the zoom to detect a foe at x meters distance and lock on it
[...]
After each task complete, the player wins somekind of merit badge for his effort.
Add a gold medal for the player who gets all achievements from the TUTORIAL in 1PV.

STEP 2:
Remove the 3PV option from ALL GAMES, leave it just for the tutorial.

STEP 3:
Give yourselves a pat on the back and cash in from happy gammers.

There!
Much easier and a way better solution than what you have created.
Hope this helps you PGI.

Edited by flipover, 21 August 2013 - 04:11 AM.

[Elizander]

To be honest, 3rdPV and the lack of queues for 1stPV don't bother me as much as the sudden reversal of what was stated to be in the game prior to patch and the complete lack of communication with people whom you know very well to feel strongly about the matter.

You have to admit that a lot of feelings were hurt by how this was implemented.

Edited by Elizander, 21 August 2013 - 02:13 AM.

[shotokan5]

Though I do not like 3rd person, I think it is the best that could have been done to keep it fair. To add an advantage or more features to 3rd person would not be a proper move at this time.

[Sudden Reversal]

Remove the toggle ability and\or introduce separate queues.

Please?!

I'm starting to get the feeling that IGP have already met their targets for ROI and are now seeking to expand the potential player base to rake in more $$. They have also realised that the 'hardcore' players (that title for sim desiring pre-existing fans of battletech is rather telling) have shelled out mucho moolah already, so are invested and will most probably weather the storm.

Unfortunately it is a major error to ignore your captured market base, do so at your own peril for it is these that are your foundation and do require repeated acknowledgment or risk alienating them.

Their best marketing and exposure to date has come from a community driven request!

Please listen to them now and make good on your word PGI.

[ReguIus]

This was a very bad decision.

Might as well give players controllable UAV...

[FREDtheDEAD]

Pickle Monsoon, on 21 August 2013 - 01:52 AM, said:

WOW! i'm not normally one to write on the forums but plz,plz,plz people stop the bitching and whining.It seems to be the majority of what this forum is used for..and by a minority... saying all the the MWO community hates 3pv is a crock of ****..you dont speak for me or many others!!
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having a bad day!, you've pissed me off children! .. Have a nice day!
Oh and i'm not going to answer any replies to this as i wont engage the **** trolls(not all ,some are constructive) who frequent the forums! see you in game!

Because any opinion and any argument can be invalidated by saying "stop QQing!" You're actually QQing about QQing and not seeing the irony of it.

[repete]

flipover, on 21 August 2013 - 02:07 AM, said:

STEP 2:
Remove the 3PV option from ALL GAMES, leave it just for the tutorial.

3PV is NOT about helping new players. This is a canard.

Edited by repete, 21 August 2013 - 02:21 AM.

[psihius]

The best feedback I saw was "Please lock the view mode selected for the match". This will solve all those edge cases of snipers lining up for target, jumping and switching to 1PV.
Second - adjust the camera position down to the level of 1PV, optionally make the mech' somewhat transparent.
Third - fix the reticle jumps so it's not easy to hit the lights due to an apparent bug

Solves all the issues.

[RedDragon]

Ha, that is so classy. Tonight we saw that Paul was reading this topic and had at least the small hope that he would notice the shitstorm and do something about it or at least talk to us. And what does he do? Completely ignore everything here and state that one of dozens of screenshots showing that 3PV is terrible is in fact a bug.
PGI, I salute you for your audacity.

[StaIker]

I'll just put my name down here as one more paying customer who is bitterly disappointed by this move. I do not believe PGI understands this game at all, to them it's BF3 with robots or something.

Edited by StaIker, 21 August 2013 - 02:31 AM.

[Huge]

Hey ego. Here to trim 57 pages down to 2 by removing every none supportive 3PV post as usual?

[Mr Blonde]

BladeXXL, on 21 August 2013 - 01:35 AM, said:

As the hovering drone allows to watch over a hill or object, it should be possible to shoot the drone down and destroy the 3rdPV for a player for the rest of the match!
So give it some health, a hitbox and a message "Drone under Attack" and everything is fine.

Does having indestructible equipment make any sense at all? Why isn't my mech made from the same stuff as the Drone of the Gods?

[pantherzero]

http://mwomercs.com/...son-its-coming/ =]