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[Snitchkilla]

my god you guys are whiny impatient consumer entitled cry babies...you want quit? good
go play WOW.we dont want you here you are what is ruining this game .im going to complain about every feature the devs put into it until it is changed to what i like even if it breaks cannon and make all the real mechwarrior fans cringe oh no the 3l is better the the other lights(even though the raven was the best and most advanced scout mech in the innershpere). you are spoiled and everytime the dev pander to your selfish demands and try to placate you it messes some thing up that you also complain about. i see thousands of people a day in matches the see zero issues(other the some engine issues hit boxes ect that will be worked out with time) and have a great time so all you are doing with all of this whining is distracting the devs from creating a great mech warrior game. so i say again QIUT LEAVE GO AWAY YOU ARE NOT HELPING or maybe go over to sarna .net and do some reading and see how close they are trying to hit the cannon on the mark . also if this is your first battle tech game and you are doing all this complaining the frankly i dont care you dont have the aclue about the anything battle tech so kindly shut up. LESS QQ MORE PEW PEW

Edited by Snitchkilla, 24 August 2013 - 12:43 PM.

[Lord of All]

Pest, on 24 August 2013 - 11:28 AM, said:

After reading the apology from the developers, I understand that the handling of 3PV was a monumental screwup on their part.
It does need to be tested, however.
Suggestion: 3PV engauged when drone launched only. 3PV cannot be used when jump-jetting to prevent pop-tart sniping. Drone life very limited. This use would be a valid and short term of 3PV use for intel gathering. The drone view should only include direction and ranging intel.

In MW4 my clan always had a ball with steal the bacon and capture the flag. 3PV is almost a necessity there. If those game modes are ultimately included, then 3PV can be "legally" used in a game.

To me, full free look with a joystick top had would be preferable to 3PV anyway.

What apology? Link.

[D34K]

3PV's intended purpose: to show new players that their arms move independently from their torso.

Does it do this?

NO (make a proper tutorial)

Does it it let players see around terrain and break the simulation?

YES

[Lumpy Gash]

Snitchkilla, on 24 August 2013 - 12:39 PM, said:

my god you guys are whiny impatient consumer entitled cry babies...you want quit? good
go play WOW.we dont want you here you are what is ruining this game .im going to complain about every feature the devs put into it until it is changed to what i like even if it breaks cannon and make all the real mechwarrior fans cringe oh no the 3l is better the the other lights(even though the raven was the best and most advanced scout mech in the innershpere). you are spoiled and everytime the dev pander to your selfish demands and try to placate you it messes some thing up that you also complain about. i see thousands of people a day in matches the see zero issues(other the some engine issues hit boxes ect that will be worked out with time) and have a great time so all you are doing with all of this whining is distracting the devs from creating a great mech warrior game. so i say again QIUT LEAVE GO AWAY YOU ARE NOT HELPING or maybe go over to sarna .net and do some reading and see how close they are trying to hit the cannon on the mark . also if this is your first battle tech game and you are doing all this complaining the frankly i dont care you dont have the aclue about the anything battle tech so kindly shut up. LESS QQ MORE PEW PEW

-1 to your wall of text rant.

-1 to thinking 3L is the "better" light

-10 to understanding why founders are pissed off, unless you enjoy being in an abusive developer consumer relationship, filled with lies, unkept promises and empty dreams.

[Rifter]

Well.......

After reading the to bad we lied but there isnt going to be separate ques so we are going to ram this 3PV down your throats thread i just requested a full refund.

Dont get me wrong im totally 100% ok with 3PV as long as they stick to their promise to have separate ques, but since they came out and said that they lied and that isnt going to happen well enough is enough.

For those of you interested the thread im referencing is located here:

http://mwomercs.com/...te-and-apology/

Short version they lied they arnt adding separate ques and they are to dumb to even click a few of the videos posted in this very thread showing how 3PV does indeed offer a HUGE ADVANTAGE or to dumb to look at the pictures also posted in this thread. Because they think it offers ZERO ADVANTAGE.

Anyone who doesnt think 3PV is the main source of intel gathering being reported to your team over voice comms is living in denial.

I signed up for a mech simulator not a arcade/action game which IMO is exactly what this game is turning into bit by bit.


Good luck with the game guys im out.

[Skyraxx]

Well after all of this PGI's communication with the community would definitely benefit from a reboot. And I much like everyone else in this thread am unhappy with the recent choice of forcing 3pv on the entire community.

but I don't really feel like calling them liars. I mean to me a lie is when you say something knowing full well you're going to do the opposite or are trying to hide some truth. I doubt that's the case with PGI. I think they fully believed they weren't going to include 3pv at first, then they fully believed they were going to have separate queues. They had meetings talked it out and changed their minds, or were told by IGP to include certain features. I don't really know, that's where we'd benefit from better communication.

[repete]

I don't recall if this has been posted in this thread yet, but in case it hasn't:

http://loadeddicecas...ior-online.html

...A good read IMHO.

[skill gap]

How many thousands of posts, uninstalls and refunds will it take to get our "hardcore" 1pv queues?

[repete]

gumpy2k7, on 24 August 2013 - 02:16 PM, said:

How many thousands of posts, uninstalls and refunds will it take to get our "hardcore" 1pv queues?

At the end of the day, we don't really know how many uninstalls and refunds there have been. It may seem like a lot to us, relatively speaking. I do hope it's enough that it does send the message to PGI and IGP.

As for a response, PGI are probably stuck between a rock, a hard place and a PPC:

1) Put the queues in:

A - Worry about the interpretation of appearing weak, or not standing up for the things that PGI/IGP think need to be in the game.
B - Risk making either 1PV or 3PV non-viable depending on which a critical mass of players choose to play.

...Damn. There were a couple of other things which I thought of when I started this that I now can't remember, and they were the best ones too.

2) Don't put the queues in and the current situation continues.

Even beyond that, I believe, based on the frequency of comments from those who are disgruntled, the biggest issue has become trust in PGI. I don't believe putting in the queues addresses that. The question is, how can we trust you any more PGI?

Edited by repete, 24 August 2013 - 02:35 PM.

[shellashock]

gumpy2k7, on 24 August 2013 - 02:16 PM, said:

How many thousands of posts, uninstalls and refunds will it take to get our "hardcore" 1pv queues?

To be honest, probably by next patch they will enable the hardcore queues. My guess is that they wanted as many people to play 3rd person and gather data from their matches, plus feedback, and then enable the queues.

If they enabled them from the start, they probably wouldn't have enough players playing 3rd person view to get enough data for them to justify tweaking 3rd person. Judging by the community backlash, I say that they got more then enough feedback and data to properly tweak 3rd person view, but we will have to wait to see what PGI says.

If they want most of the community to stick around, they probably won't dare push enabling the 1st person queues back more then 2 patches, but given their track record, who knows?

[Deacon412]

Snitchkilla, on 24 August 2013 - 12:39 PM, said:

my god you guys are whiny impatient consumer entitled cry babies...you want quit? good
go play WOW.we dont want you here you are what is ruining this game .im going to complain about every feature the devs put into it until it is changed to what i like even if it breaks cannon and make all the real mechwarrior fans cringe oh no the 3l is better the the other lights(even though the raven was the best and most advanced scout mech in the innershpere). you are spoiled and everytime the dev pander to your selfish demands and try to placate you it messes some thing up that you also complain about. i see thousands of people a day in matches the see zero issues(other the some engine issues hit boxes ect that will be worked out with time) and have a great time so all you are doing with all of this whining is distracting the devs from creating a great mech warrior game. so i say again QIUT LEAVE GO AWAY YOU ARE NOT HELPING or maybe go over to sarna .net and do some reading and see how close they are trying to hit the cannon on the mark . also if this is your first battle tech game and you are doing all this complaining the frankly i dont care you dont have the aclue about the anything battle tech so kindly shut up. LESS QQ MORE PEW PEW

you dont want "us" here? the ones who pay for and fund the game? your not to sharp are you?

[repete]

shellashock, on 24 August 2013 - 02:36 PM, said:

To be honest, probably by next patch they will enable the hardcore queues. My guess is that they wanted as many people to play 3rd person and gather data from their matches, plus feedback, and then enable the queues.

If they enabled them from the start, they probably wouldn't have enough players playing 3rd person view to get enough data for them to justify tweaking 3rd person. Judging by the community backlash, I say that they got more then enough feedback and data to properly tweak 3rd person view, but we will have to wait to see what PGI says.

If they want most of the community to stick around, they probably won't dare push enabling the 1st person queues back more then 2 patches, but given their track record, who knows?

We'll never know I guess. To be honest, as someone who doesn't want to play in 3PV myself, if they had put the queues in and asked us to test 3PV, I would have, safe in the knowledge that when I want to (Competitive matches or whatever), I could jump to the 1PV queue. I believe the good will of the community WOULD have have answered the request to generate data. Heck, we'd have played it to prove the "We told you so" that 3PV has certain advantages over 1PV.

Edited by repete, 24 August 2013 - 02:48 PM.

[Damien Matashy]

well, can't say that i am surprised about how this played out. the above is for levity...lol
but yea, I will have to say that for me I think i am done for awhile, I spent my 120$ and i won't be spending any more. I am not going to ask for a refund, i believe i got my moneys worth. After this last thing though i have no faith in pgi/igp any longer. I don't know who really makes the final choices either PGI or IGP, but the choices that you have made concerning 3pv, the skill tree issues, that 3 mech master system that you call "good", I am will wait and see how you figure out CW. that should be another fun thing that will happen. well good luck PGI/IGP, I hope that you guys prosper, but i really don't think i will be around to see it.

[Mantazz]

Snitchkilla, on 24 August 2013 - 12:39 PM, said:

my god you guys are whiny impatient consumer entitled cry babies...you want quit? good
go play WOW.we dont want you here you are what is ruining this game .im going to complain about every feature the devs put into it until it is changed to what i like even if it breaks cannon and make all the real mechwarrior fans cringe oh no the 3l is better the the other lights(even though the raven was the best and most advanced scout mech in the innershpere). you are spoiled and everytime the dev pander to your selfish demands and try to placate you it messes some thing up that you also complain about. i see thousands of people a day in matches the see zero issues(other the some engine issues hit boxes ect that will be worked out with time) and have a great time so all you are doing with all of this whining is distracting the devs from creating a great mech warrior game. so i say again QIUT LEAVE GO AWAY YOU ARE NOT HELPING or maybe go over to sarna .net and do some reading and see how close they are trying to hit the cannon on the mark . also if this is your first battle tech game and you are doing all this complaining the frankly i dont care you dont have the aclue about the anything battle tech so kindly shut up. LESS QQ MORE PEW PEW

Actually I agree fully, if you are going to bi*ch and moan about every new feature until it gets dumbed down to the lowest common denominator then I don't give a rats a** if you are a legendary founder or a bloody noob. Kick rocks and move on down the road... Let the devs get the frakkin game built properly and crush the bugs that are still serious issues.
I kill em just the same whether they are flying drones (using 3PV) or not, I use 1PV because I like it and it's what I'm used to but 3PV allows a little more flexibility for new players. I see no actual tactical advantage to 3PV over 1PV. Jump sniping works in either mode anyway and the drone gives away your position in 3PV so I know where you are to blast you when you jump...

Send me or Snitchkilla a PM when you decide to call it quits over this new feature (Which has been available in almost every previous incarnation of MW) and we will happily recruit a new mechwarrior to take your place...

[Sam Slade]

Mantazz, on 24 August 2013 - 06:22 PM, said:

Actually I agree fully, if you are going to bi*ch and moan about every new feature until it gets dumbed down...

If by new feature you mean game then yes people will be angry that it's getting dumbed down... though considering the number of posts you have and your poor tactical grasp of the game I'll assume you're one of the dev team.

On another note, finallly got a response from PGI custoomer service. It would appear that the Founders Package is considered a 'whole and complete product' and as such does fall under the 'bait and switch' area of Canadas legal vendor obligations. The link to them is posted further back in the thread... long story short you can attempt claim a chargeback safe in the knowledge that it's not your problem.

However, and this is where it gets tricky, because the statements regarding 1st person view being a "design pillar", etc. where made by individuals an argument could be made that that was never the policy of PGI as a company and as such the liability rests with the individuals responsible for making said comments. That could mean that Paul for example gets slugged with the costs or that the whole thing turns into a 'he said, she said' legal furballl.


The advice I was given was that I'd be better off taking the $120 hit then getting into what could end up beng a three way argument that could ruin someone who possibly didn't have a real say/got sidelined/we'll never know anyway. If anyone else(in Canada) has more time to spare then perhaps they could make the representations themselves but I'm not going to send documents to Canada out of spite.

EDIT: This is not all conjecture, this came from someone I trust(and pay... so they'd better be right).

EDIT 2: Forgot to add, I was also advised that most of this is just speculation because the law is always a few years behind the tech, but it follows the assuption that a company or corporation is always the meanest party in any litigation and that obviously Consumer Law supercedes any vendors terms of service, etc..

Edited by Sam Slade, 24 August 2013 - 07:13 PM.

[Zuri Prime]

Winterwolf, on 24 August 2013 - 12:31 PM, said:

Just give us a poll if we like 3POV or not. That should not be too much to ask.

They did. 84% noted no to 3PV. PGI, NGNG and their Squirrel club lackeys ignored it.

[Wired]

I for one welcome our new Eye of Sauron overlords. It makes more sense now why they gave us Mordor as a map...

[Yelruh]

Wow, seems everyone is against it. Having played it for a little while, I think 3rd person is painful to try and play. No minimap or diagram showing torso to legs orrientation makes 3rd person hard to play. Sure, you might get that little bit extra view point, but I'm sure PGI could code it so the actual LOS pickups work off 1PV even when in 3PV. It needs tweaking, sure. Give it time.

Something I found annoying - when you die in 3PV, you all of a sudden have no spectator mode - you cant change to 'live' mechs to watch them. You just continuously circle your dead corpse.

[B0oN]

Cael Voltek, on 20 August 2013 - 06:48 PM, said:

Would someone from PGI please start wielding a ban hammer around here? This is getting so far out of hand it's becoming comical. I've always wondered just how thick and chunky the Brown Sea as become, and I think this answers it.

Best proposal ever, buddy ... really made my morning.
You havent been around the internets for long, quiaff, nor around here although you enlisted in 2012 ?
Then you "maybe" would know PGI´s trackrecord for BROKEN PROMISES ...
Plus, you might wanna get banned too, "ad hominen" and such, eh, laddie ? ^^

Oh boy...dem tears of laughter streaking me face ...

[Snitchkilla]

funny i still play in 1pv and since the patch my kdr/wlr has been steadily climbling... wait it has been doing thta since it went to open beta i wonder what did that... oh yeah its called practice! LESS QQ MORE PEW PEW. and not one feature has stopped that ,not the lrmpocolypse,or the srmpocolypse ,not zombie wangs,or the ppc/gauss death rain(though the 6 ppc stalker was a bit intense for a bit)or ecm or movement changes or any thing else and all this while spending a bunch of cash happily... and the reason is because by the time something became a real issue it got fixed ,and not because of backlash(though ya sure have had your way with this game that is for sure) but because of testing and running numbers and testing and that is what this community should be doing is acting like testers (a little much to ask i know)and not like self entitled consumers leave it to the masses to dumb down let another great thing... mantazz was right dont wanna help kick rocks and send me a pm ill recruit some one to replace you