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[TLBFestus]

GlycerineOxide, on 27 August 2013 - 02:05 PM, said:

Bryan definitely has rose coloured glasses on if he believes this statement.

'Both have been a great success and delivered on our goals of adding more action, tactics, and deeper gameplay (12v12), while continuing to make the game appeal to a broader audience of gamers (3PV). After releasing 3PV we saw an immediate improvement in our target demographic, with a good bump in new player retention!'

So with that, the Creative Update for september, we are told to s.t.f.u and get on with it.

Would love to live in his perfect world....

Could you point me to where this came from? I'm a little pissed by the statement "After releasing 3PV we saw an immediate improvement in our target demographic" because when I signed up as a founder I was pretty sure that they told me I was their "target demographic".

EDIT- nevermind I found it.

Edited by TLBFestus, 27 August 2013 - 05:16 PM.

[General Taskeen]

Quax1102, on 27 August 2013 - 12:33 PM, said:

Where's the dislike button when you need one ...

The Planet Side 2 forum has like and dislike buttons. Its fantasmical.

[RussianWolf]

After reading Bryan's statement I'm now asking for a full refund of my Founder's package and MC purchase due to failure to deliver. I'll let you know what happens.

Program fully uninstalled from my computer which was purchased and upgraded solely for this game. Sad that they have driven me away.

Edited by RussianWolf, 27 August 2013 - 07:28 PM.

[Marodeur]

Hi,
I have a proposal to solve the "problem" that a lot of people have with the 3PV and its better view around corners or over rocks etc..
Wouldn't it be possible, to put an additional "frame" into the 3PV, let us call it the "LINE OF SIGHT FRAME" (LOSF). This LOSF is positioned around your Mech in 3PV and have the size of what the Mechwarrior from inside in 1PV would have. Within this LOSF every enemy Mech and its weapon fire (laser beams PPC beams etc.) is vissible. Outside the frame only the 3D environment and may be friendly mechs (and their weapon fire) are vissible.
But how to visualize the LOSF, that it does not really disturb the look off the 3PV and confuse the new mechpilots? I think one way could be, that the LOSF not necessarily have to be a real vissible frame. May be inseide the LOSF everything is a bit lighter than outside the LOSF. May be put also a little Text in one corner of the LOSF that says "Line of Sight", so that everyone instantly know what's going on. Also should it be possible for you, to zoom out a bit, so that you really make it possible to see youre mechs legs, also if you have a big mech like an assault or something, that is not really possible at the moment if I'm right. (In this case even 3PV does not help new players to maneuver their mechs better).
If such a LOSF would be integrated, the 1PV players aren't disadvataged in fights and this topic is more or less obsolete.
What do the others think about my suggestion?
Greeting,
Marodeur

[Sharp Spikes]

Oh, c'mon guys. By now it is possible to guarantee that any suggestions posted to this forums are ignored.

Next changes to 3PV we'll see is addition of minimap/radar and increase of FOV.

Edited by Sharp Spikes, 28 August 2013 - 12:37 AM.

[Javenri]

Since 3 PV needs testing and until separate matches between 3PV and 1 PV exist, I would propose to introduce a lock on the modes. If one starts a match with one mode, he should fight all match with the same one (aka. not being able to switch between modes during match)

[Lyrik]

Take this you 3PV haters xD
"After releasing 3PV we saw an immediate improvement in our target demographic, with a good bump in new player retention!"
Bryan Ekman

http://mwomercs.com/...eveloper-update

I don't know if Bryan is just trolling the idiots and wannabe "competitive players" here on the forum or that 3PV is really helping the new players... I don't like to play with it. No arm movement and no cockpit is not Mechwarrior for me

[Fufuneraire]

Lyrik, on 28 August 2013 - 12:52 AM, said:

"After releasing 3PV we saw an immediate improvement in our target demographic, with a good bump in new player retention!"
Bryan Ekman

More people if you add an auto-aim.

Though MWO was a recent elitist game, but nope. So sad

[Boymonkey]

RussianWolf, on 27 August 2013 - 07:25 PM, said:

After reading Bryan's statement I'm now asking for a full refund of my Founder's package and MC purchase due to failure to deliver. I'll let you know what happens.

Program fully uninstalled from my computer which was purchased and upgraded solely for this game. Sad that they have driven me away.

Good luck with that...you have already used everything in the founder package...for ages.
People have tried and failed.

[Meta Back]

Roboticus03, on 27 August 2013 - 03:34 PM, said:

Hate to break it to ya, but the forums are but a small fraction of the "gaming community."

This type of reasoning is why PGI continuously spits on founders.

Where is the rest of the player base, then?

Looking at trends on google MWO has done nothing but lose hype over the last year or so. That means it's doing worse, not better.

MWO is losing more players than it gains, and citing "1.1 million registered users" means nothing. That the .1 is mentioned means they're desperate to sound like they're growing, when they are not.


I'm very curious how many 'registered users' are actually multi-accounts specifically to grind cadet bonus - which is being removed, btw, another reason that new players will not be retained. I actually was talking nothing but **** about this game and accidentally got a couple guys to try it out. Almost immediately after finishing the download (judging by time stamps from when they said they were downloading) I got stuff like this

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WOW YOU WERE RIGHT THIS GAME IS AWFUL HAHAHA

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why is my robot so bad

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I have no idea what's going on I fire at a guy and then my guy is half dead

Basically, "I told you so,"

The game is NEVER going to gain a sizeable population of new players. I'm sure this was harped on before. You need a tutorial like what EVERYmechwarrior game before this had. The fact that it's taking PGI months to get a simple movement tutorial out doesn't give me any hope.

Not only do you need a tutorial, but you need to not start with absolutely 0 funds. By forcing new players to try trial mechs, which unanimously are agreed upon to be awful, it gives them a false impression of what the game is like. They'll be playing and will have no understanding of why their mech is dying in two volleys and everything they fire at takes only superficial damage.

Why does my mech shut down after two alphas?

Why does that enemy mech get to fire all its guns non-stop?

Why does my mech die instantly?

Why does that enemy mech seem invincible?

Why aren't my weapons doing damage? (minimum range isn't obvious enough for new players)

There also just isn't enough information in game for equipment and mechs. A new player will have no idea what the difference is between a PPC and a LLas just by looking at numbers. The descriptions do not give you enough information.


This game was made specifically for BT fans, and now that PGI is scrambling for money, they're desperate for a new player base that just isn't us. They're not going to get it, and they're definately not going to get it with how newbie-hostile this environment is.

[Ensaine]

extraammo, on 27 August 2013 - 12:11 PM, said:

You all really need to stop acting like children. I've been following this thread for a week now and all I can say is that the behavior of the community is far more frustrating than what PGI is doing.

What ya'll should do is play MORE and then give objective feedback on the features implemented based on your experiences. Rather than yelling at the devs for experimenting with their game, you should be trying to have fun.

None of you own any of the game, you only own content in the game which has been or will be delivered. So stop acting like you have a right to force the devs to make their game anyway they don't want to.

I paid $60 for a 1PV game.........it was in writing........so what now? Is it wrong to think about this one point?

I'm not running off getting a refund, as I have too many friends playing, and I won't abandon them. My wallet is closed to PGI though.

[Meta Back]

Lyrik, on 28 August 2013 - 12:52 AM, said:

Take this you 3PV haters xD
"After releasing 3PV we saw an immediate improvement in our target demographic, with a good bump in new player retention!"
Bryan Ekman

http://mwomercs.com/...eveloper-update

I don't know if Bryan is just trolling the idiots and wannabe "competitive players" here on the forum or that 3PV is really helping the new players... I don't like to play with it. No arm movement and no cockpit is not Mechwarrior for me

Just reading your post makes me incredibly angry.

Do I have to explain to you, as if you were a small child, why 3PV is detrimental to the game? Moreso than just aesthetics and simulator-feel. Because that's whta I get from your post.


It's already been proven that 3PV doesn't help new players anymore than forced 1PV. I'll explain because I'm assuming you're 14 and not smart.


3PV removes hud elements that show you the orientation of your legs vs your torso. 3PV also doesn't show your legs for multiple mechs, defeating the purpose. It also locks arms.

3PV is incredibly detrimental to new players for this reason. It gimps them two fold, and gives them a bad impression of the game, because the minimap is missing. F4 being the toggle is ridiculous as well. I hope I don't need to say why.


If the game is so difficult in 1PV, why was a 5 year old able to figure it out?

Are you dumber than a 5 year old?

[Lyrik]

Meta Back, on 28 August 2013 - 02:00 AM, said:

I'm very curious how many 'registered users' are actually multi-accounts specifically to grind cadet bonus - which is being removed, btw, another reason that new players will not be retained. I actually was talking nothing but **** about this game and accidentally got a couple guys to try it out. Almost immediately after finishing the download (judging by time stamps from when they said they were downloading) I got stuff like this

Your friends sound more like the standart CoD players. Never try to get them into EveOnline xD

And EveO is doing perfectly fine after 10years with only 500.000 accounts and probably only 300.000 players.
But atleast EveO has a tutorial which gives you several ships.

[Meta Back]

Ensaine, on 28 August 2013 - 02:02 AM, said:

I paid $60 for a 1PV game.........it was in writing........so what now? Is it wrong to think about this one point?

I'm not running off getting a refund, as I have too many friends playing, and I won't abandon them. My wallet is closed to PGI though.

Applause, good on you.

I am SICK AND TIRED of idiots on the forum talking about how 'childish' people are being over this. Excuse me?

People spent hundreds of dollars on this game. That's how much BT fans love BT and MW.

Then PGI spit in their mouth after taking their money.


Anger is a NORMAL, AND RATIONAL RESPONSE in a multitude of situations.

If someone spits on you and you do not get angry, there is a problem. With you. You're lacking an important survival instinct that will allow people to take advantage of you easily. We're seeing this firsthand with how PGI treats its core playerbase.


fyi core means the only demographic that actually cares about MWO, which is 20-40 something year old BT fans who've been invested in this franchise for years and years.

[Lyrik]

Meta Back, on 28 August 2013 - 02:04 AM, said:

Just reading your post makes me incredibly angry.

Do I have to explain to you, as if you were a small child, why 3PV is detrimental to the game? Moreso than just aesthetics and simulator-feel. Because that's whta I get from your post.


It's already been proven that 3PV doesn't help new players anymore than forced 1PV. I'll explain because I'm assuming you're 14 and not smart.


3PV removes hud elements that show you the orientation of your legs vs your torso. 3PV also doesn't show your legs for multiple mechs, defeating the purpose. It also locks arms.

3PV is incredibly detrimental to new players for this reason. It gimps them two fold, and gives them a bad impression of the game, because the minimap is missing. F4 being the toggle is ridiculous as well. I hope I don't need to say why.


If the game is so difficult in 1PV, why was a 5 year old able to figure it out?

Are you dumber than a 5 year old?

If that makes you angry perhaps you should just stop reading the forum ;-)

3PV is easyier for a lot of gamers. Last of Us, MassEffect 3, Uncharted 3, Gears of Wars had amazing multiplayer PvP/Coop in 3prd. If these gamers are trying MWO, they are lost.

3PV takes nothing away from your MWO experience.

[Lyrik]

Meta Back, on 28 August 2013 - 02:07 AM, said:

People spent hundreds of dollars on this game. That's how much BT fans love BT and MW.

If you spend hundreds of dollar on a F2P videogame in beta, you are just plain stupid.
Because the devs can do with their game whatever they want .

[Meta Back]

Lyrik, on 28 August 2013 - 02:11 AM, said:

If that makes you angry perhaps you should just stop reading the forum ;-)

3PV is easyier for a lot of gamers. Last of Us, MassEffect 3, Uncharted 3, Gears of Wars had amazing multiplayer PvP/Coop in 3prd. If these gamers are trying MWO, they are lost.

3PV takes nothing away from your MWO experience.

Thosee games aren't comparable at all to MWO and that you do tells me you don't know anything about video games, but you wish to speak as if you do. Also those games let you see your legs. They're also built around3pv. MWO was not. It was tacked on. And it's obvious.

It's also cute how you assume that 3PV players of other games - which are nothing like this one, every game you mentioned was a cover based shooter with regenerating health. How is that anything like MWO? You're talking STRAIGHT out of your ***, now.

And yes, it takes quite a bit from the experience away. First impressions mean everything. 3PV is gimp mode for new players: it's only use is to peak around corners and above hills, which is exactly why it should not be in game. It's part of why MW4 was so broken and unbalanced.

Lyrik, on 28 August 2013 - 02:15 AM, said:

If you spend hundreds of dollar on a F2P videogame in beta, you are just plain stupid.
Because the devs can do with their game whatever they want .

Are you trolling now? Because that's what it seems like. Purposefully belligerent and ignorant.

These people put so much money into the game because they love mechwarrior and BT. Calling them stupid leads me to believe that YOU'RE the stupid one. They showed their support. Everyone was so happy that MWO was a thing.

And then PGI was PGI. Now you have thousands of dollars worth of upset founders on every page. Abandon ship, ask for refund, chargeback through your bank, tell all your friends, etc.

MWO is getting bad press now. A lot of it. Well, about as much as a game no one cares about outside of BT can get.

[Meta Back]

http://mwomercs.com/...in-open-revolt/

Penny Arcade reporting on it is enough to be a death sentence already. If anyone looks into MWO for the slightest amount of time and they get past the blatant and outright despicable PR move that is Sarah's Jenner, all they will see is a fanbase that is unhappy with the direction a game is going.

That means new players aren't going to even bother downloading.

[Anais Opal]

If you are wanting a full refund of your founders and subsequent MC purchases you are fully entitled to it.

On page 95 of this thread I outline the reasons why you can but in summary here is the reason you can.

'it was under the guarantee that that content would be available to me under the condition that I could use it in a first person only environment.'

'MechWarrior Online is not providing those conditions to me as advertised on the MechWarrior online website at the time of purchase.'

'at the time I was guaranteed that I would not have to use the purchased content in a 3rd person environment '

'I purchased MC to unlock content to use in a First Person only environment that was guaranteed to me to always be available at the time of my purchase which is no longer available.'

'Under your own terms of service, any content written or verbal on the MechWarrior website and forums constitutes part of your own terms of service.'

'It is illegal to make guarantees for services provided that influence sales that you cannot uphold.'

PGI will initially refuse the refund so forward any communications to support@playspan.com or to PayPal if you purchased via them.

PGI CANNOT REFUSE a refund of any purchases under US and Canadian law period due to the reasons I state above.

[Meta Back]

GlycerineOxide, on 28 August 2013 - 02:34 AM, said:

EX Hurricane Kick into Full Meter Metsu Hadouken

crowd goes wild