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[Devilsfury]

Runenstahl, on 20 August 2013 - 01:58 PM, said:

You all realize that is still the beta, yes ? People are supposed to test it and THEN they'll decide if and what to do with 3rd person.

So, after this launch next month....PGI and the {Noble MechWarriors} will have ZERO excuses or crutch to lean on. Its BETA, its BETA...heard that until im freaking blue in the face. I have loved and supported this game since June 2012. Ive given tons of time and money to make this game better but it seems like every patch, it stays the same or gets worse. For the Love of GoD! Does PGI test anything is does? I want this game to succeed but its failing, miserably.

[Purlana]

Runenstahl, on 20 August 2013 - 01:58 PM, said:

You all realize that is still the beta, yes ? People are supposed to test it and THEN they'll decide if and what to do with 3rd person.

They lied about the separate Q. When will beta stop being a excuse for lies?

[Devils Advocate]

They lied. It's less about how broken third person is or how we all called it years ago and it's proven to be true on its first day live. It's about people spending real life money on a game where the developers stated that as a matter of FACT we would never be forced to play with it or anyone who used it. People have spent money to support this game since those statements were made who were sold on the idea that it would be kept this way. That is a literal bait and switch.

That doesn't even begin to sort out the *********** of whatever happened to dropship mode or community warfare but those were less lies and more a statement of intention. This is a lie. This is stealing.

[BookWyrm]

Karr285, on 20 August 2013 - 01:25 PM, said:

Here are the facts.

• Yes we are currently working on a 3rd person option for MWO.
  
• There is no ETA for when 3rd person will be available.
  
• Players will never be forced to use or play against other players using 3rd person. <--------

http://mwomercs.com/...095-3rd-person/

Regarding the third point made, that is technically still true...

[GroovYChickeN]

Purlana, on 20 August 2013 - 02:20 PM, said:

They lied about the separate Q. When will beta stop being a excuse for lies?

Yes because something not being in the game yet is them lying. You peeps need to cool your jets. If you really care that care that much then stop playing and stop posting on the forums.

[Purlana]

GroovYChickeN, on 20 August 2013 - 02:27 PM, said:

Yes because something not being in the game yet is them lying. You peeps need to cool your jets. If you really care that care that much then stop playing and stop posting on the forums.

They said we would NEVER have a shared Q.

[GroovYChickeN]

Purlana, on 20 August 2013 - 02:34 PM, said:

They said we would NEVER have a shared Q.

LOL! Ok, you win. Enjoy all the rage and hate. I'm going to go outside, have a beer and a smoke, kiss my wife and generally be a patient, kind and understanding person.

Remember Kido's it's a videogame.

[The pessimistic optimist]

3rd person mode sucks its like playing with your arms tied behind your back. Really there is no advanage to playing in it. Seismic dose a better job of tracking enemy mechs then the limited peaking you can do with 3rd person. Really you people are over reacting.

[Purlana]

GroovYChickeN, on 20 August 2013 - 02:54 PM, said:

LOL! Ok, you win. Enjoy all the rage and hate. I'm going to go outside, have a beer and a smoke, kiss my wife and generally be a patient, kind and understanding person.

Remember Kido's it's a videogame.

I don't care what it is. If you lie to us we are going to call you out on it.

[Shazarad]

You people raging don't even care that 3PV sucks. You're raging just to rage. You're mad just because of something they said however many months ago. That sounds extremely petty and not worth wasting breath over.

If you even took time to realize that 3PV changes nothing about gameplay and anyone using it will be destroyed by a 1PV user, you'd realize in the grand scheme of things that it doesn't even matter that 3PV is in game.

In essence, you're whining to whine, and that makes you look like a fool.

[Devilsfury]

I think the reason why most people are upset is because they said that they would not put 3rd person in with the rest of us, AND that they waisted so many man hours and $$$$ making something thats complete {Scrap} and a very small percentage of people will use. They could have used the people and resourses doing something like fixing hitboxes and working on the Metagame that has been pushed back 4x since it was supposed to be out. Many of us have been here for 14+ month hoping and supporting that the game will improve. Improve it where it counts. This {Scrap} they keep giving us is untested, unreliable and just plain {Scrap}. Kintaro CT hitbox and Spiders anyone??

[AC]

^^^^^

This!

[Shakespeare]

They also ignored virtually all of the detailed feedback from the 3PV test server - most of which was not completely negative, and suggested ways to balance it out with either 1PV or in general. The simplest was to make the transition longer, to curtail what plenty of people predicted: that 3PV would be use as a 'peek' function to glance over and around obstacles without penalty. There were many other suggestions looking to improve what we all knew we were going to get, instead of just raging 'no 3pv ever!'.

No adjustments in the name of balance were made in comparison to the test server version. Even the stuff that felt buggy - the jumping reticle, the -almost- arm lock, wasn't fixed. No adjustments in height to improve either leg-awareness or reduce the hill-humping peak functionality. No off-center camera. No changes in HUD items in response to feedback. Even feedback specifically requested, is ignored.

3PV is hit-or-miss for larger mechs.. it helps navigation, but not aim. It improves wide angle views, but the mech obscures down the centerline. It's no easier to determine if terrain blocks weaponry. So in my Atlas, it's still 1PV.

But small mechs? it's a HUGE benefit. Scouts have a periscope now, no doubt about it. Their maneuvering between, around, over targets just got way easier. Why a scout would spend more that 20% of their time in 1PV now is beyond me.

And here's one last issue unmentioned: modified FOV. I haven't personally tested to see if the ability to adjust it has been dummied out, but I doubt it. Several test-server testers got HUGE results by modifiying FOV, and getting what amounts to a birds-eye-view of the battlefield.
That's what you get to compete against now. Have fun.

Edited by Shakespeare, 20 August 2013 - 03:43 PM.

[Hellcat420]

Shazarad, on 20 August 2013 - 03:03 PM, said:

You people raging don't even care that 3PV sucks. You're raging just to rage. You're mad just because of something they said however many months ago. That sounds extremely petty and not worth wasting breath over.

If you even took time to realize that 3PV changes nothing about gameplay and anyone using it will be destroyed by a 1PV user, you'd realize in the grand scheme of things that it doesn't even matter that 3PV is in game.

In essence, you're whining to whine, and that makes you look like a fool.

actually since you can switch in and out of 3pv at will during a match it gives a huge advantage. if you took time to realize how it works you wouldnt look like a fool spouting the bs that just spewed from your keyboard.

[Corvus Antaka]

Karr285, on 20 August 2013 - 01:38 PM, said:

Know what Im pretty sure "3PV offered no significant advantage over 1PV" is just BS, $50 says they dont know how to slpit the ques without breaking their game OR they realize how small their player base is and splitting the que would lead to 20min ques.

yeah the 1.1 million small, so small PGI is making no money small, so small they can afford to lie and change from a split 1pv/3pv que to a merged one...

either PGI is about to go broke, or the rhetoric for doom in here is over the top.

[Shazarad]

Hellcat420, on 20 August 2013 - 03:40 PM, said:

actually since you can switch in and out of 3pv at will during a match it gives a huge advantage. if you took time to realize how it works you wouldnt look like a fool spouting the bs that just spewed from your keyboard.

Im quite aware you can switch inbetween the two. That doesnt matter still. Go up against anyone using 3PV and you will wreck them regardless.

[Hellcat420]

Shazarad, on 20 August 2013 - 03:46 PM, said:

Im quite aware you can switch inbetween the two. That doesnt matter still. Go up against anyone using 3PV and you will wreck them regardless.

are you really that clueless or just a poptart that wants to exploit the **** out of the horrible 3pv system?

[krash27]

Shazarad, on 20 August 2013 - 03:03 PM, said:

You people raging don't even care that 3PV sucks. You're raging just to rage. You're mad just because of something they said however many months ago. That sounds extremely petty and not worth wasting breath over.

If you even took time to realize that 3PV changes nothing about gameplay and anyone using it will be destroyed by a 1PV user, you'd realize in the grand scheme of things that it doesn't even matter that 3PV is in game.

In essence, you're whining to whine, and that makes you look like a fool.

People like you refuse to see that 3PV used properly with 1PV is a huge advantage. Face up to a building, hit F4 to get in 3PV, look over/around building, line up target, switch back to 1PV, jump and shoot. Can't do that with just 1PV

[Malakin]

This on third person, kind of aimed at ARMA, but has legit reasons for it not being in most PVP FPS games:

[Shazarad]

krash27, on 20 August 2013 - 03:57 PM, said:

People like you refuse to see that 3PV used properly with 1PV is a huge advantage. Face up to a building, hit F4 to get in 3PV, look over/around building, line up target, switch back to 1PV, jump and shoot. Can't do that with just 1PV

This is an advantage how? When everyone can do it, how is it an advantage?