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[Heffay]

Stormwolf, on 17 September 2013 - 06:16 AM, said:

Right, I forgot that I was part of the vocal minority.

Are you in the silent majority?

The silent majority is the 95% of the people who never even bother to come to the forums.

Guess what? They seem to be enjoying the game and playing it, instead of hanging out here complaining.

[Stormwolf]

Heffay, on 17 September 2013 - 06:21 AM, said:

The silent majority is the 95% of the people who never even bother to come to the forums.

Guess what? They seem to be enjoying the game and playing it, instead of hanging out here complaining.

I wonder where you got that data from.

How do you know it's 95%?
Have all of them played recently?
How frequently do they play?
Are those just accounts? Do they include the various alt accounts people created?

How do you know that they are enjoying themselves? They could have just signed up once and never played again after that.

[Heffay]

Stormwolf, on 17 September 2013 - 06:27 AM, said:

I wonder where you got that data from.

How do you know it's 95%?
Have all of them played recently?
How frequently do they play?
Are those just accounts? Do they include the various alt accounts people created?

How do you know that they are enjoying themselves? They could have just signed up once and never played again after that.

Well, PGI has that data, and they said that retention was better as a result, and feedback was very positive.

In before confirmation bias....

[Stormwolf]

Heffay, on 17 September 2013 - 06:49 AM, said:

Well, PGI has that data, and they said that retention was better as a result, and feedback was very positive.

In before confirmation bias....

How can they get postive feedback if the majority is silent?

[Heffay]

Stormwolf, on 17 September 2013 - 06:50 AM, said:

How can they get postive feedback if the majority is silent?

By measuring things like comments made during the game, the number of drops a new player makes, how often they reconnect, stuff like that.

You don't need to speak to be heard. I'm wondering if you really didn't know that, or if you're just being willfully ignorant to stay on message...

Edited by Heffay, 17 September 2013 - 06:52 AM.

[Stormwolf]

Heffay, on 17 September 2013 - 06:52 AM, said:

By measuring things like comments made during the game, the number of drops a new player makes, how often they reconnect, stuff like that.

I have a hard time believing that chat messages are more important then what is being said on the forum. I'm actually quite curious to the drop data and such, it should give a indication of how long it takes before the grind become dull and repetative.

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You don't need to speak to be heard. I'm wondering if you really didn't know that, or if you're just being willfully ignorant to

I'm just being critical, that can be a very healthy thing. You should try it some time.

[PlzDie]

Heffay, on 17 September 2013 - 06:02 AM, said:

Changing your mind doesn't make you a liar.

I am not going to argue with you, you have your opinion this one among many, and I respect that. In my opinion they lied and are not trustworthy, if you are still happy to support PGI, go for it. I myself will not spend another dime on this game until they deliver on their promise of a 1st PV only queue.
Not the 12vs12 1st PV solution that they came up with.

Edited by Duppie1974, 17 September 2013 - 07:07 AM.

[Heffay]

Duppie1974, on 17 September 2013 - 07:03 AM, said:

I am not going to argue with you, you have your opinion this one among many, and I respect that. In my opinion they lied and are not trustworthy, if you are still happy to support PGI, go for it. I myself will not spend another dime on this game until they deliver on their promise of a 1st PV only queue. Not the 12vs12 1st PV solution that they came up with.

Fair enough. I hope you find enjoyment in whatever game you end up playing then, and if you ever come back you'll be welcome with open arm actuators. Or a PPC to the face if you're on the other side.

[Syllogy]

Kraven Kor, on 16 September 2013 - 12:48 PM, said:

As a general statement, my post stands. About 50% of founders "still play" per PGI, and the other 50% of founders have moved on or are not playing for one reason or another.

I think my assessment as as wildly accurate as it can be, given the information I have. It's just an opinion, naturally. Or an 'educated guess' at least.

I'm not making up stats. I'm assuming things based on the information I have, as are you.

So you are guessing and formulating an opinion based on an assumption, but you aren't making up stats?

How is that supposed to work?

[Anais Opal]

Heffay, on 17 September 2013 - 06:49 AM, said:

Well, PGI has that data, and they said that retention was better as a result, and feedback was very positive.

In before confirmation bias....

And you believed a PGI statement??

How naieve....

[RG Notch]

GlycerineOxide, on 17 September 2013 - 07:48 AM, said:

And you believed a PGI statement??

How naieve....

If the information proves to be wrong it was just their position at the time. Plus they never give any numbers, they just say they are happy with them. If retaining 50% of Founders logging in once a month is brag worthy I imagine all their metrics are low. When you set the bar low enough anything is a success.

[Kraven Kor]

Syllogy, on 17 September 2013 - 07:09 AM, said:

So you are guessing and formulating an opinion based on an assumption, but you aren't making up stats?

How is that supposed to work?

The same way it works for anyone.

I'm certainly not alone in making assumptions, making up stats, or ignoring made up stats, or ignoring actual stats, etc.

I'm at least honest about it.

We (the players) do not have the data to make any absolute statements, period. We are all making our best guesses with the data we do have. That's all I'm saying.

[Heffay]

Kraven Kor, on 17 September 2013 - 08:18 AM, said:

We (the players) do not have the data to make any absolute statements, period. We are all making our best guesses with the data we do have. That's all I'm saying.

I agree with this.

[Kraven Kor]

Heffay, on 17 September 2013 - 08:21 AM, said:

I agree with this.

It's a festivus miracle

[Heffay]

Kraven Kor, on 17 September 2013 - 08:31 AM, said:

It's a festivus miracle

Take off your shirt. It's time for feats of strength!

We've already had the airing of grievances, of course.

[Aeron Sley]

I like the approach, I attempted to send a pm but no more can be received. Obviously a popular initiative in one manner or another. In any event, I cant sign it for me or mine due to CW caveat. Without a method for Units to participate toward ANYTHING meaningful, or even drop against each other, we have an issue that damages my players. CW is by far the biggest issue for my player base. I am sure that for others, there may be bigger issues, but for me, there is nothing bigger.

Anyway, great initiative. Even if our opinions differ.

[Caballo]

Signed on behalf of my clan (90% of them are part of the silent majority). Thanks for the initiative.

[Frenchtoastman]

Heffay, on 17 September 2013 - 06:21 AM, said:

The silent majority is the 95% of the people who never even bother to come to the forums.

If the number of player accounts is 1,300,000 and the number of player accounts that have posted on the forum is 525,000, I'd call the silent majority more likely 60%. This is ignoring things like alt accounts for free slots and cadet bonuses as well ignoring any alt accounts for post-trolling, but it still provides a tangible number.

Also, the most players I've ever seen playing online (back when we had a counter) was around 4,000, and it could go as low as 1000. The forum has maxed at 5,000 and currently has a little over 1000. I'd be willing to bet the poster to player ratio isn't terribly far apart.

Edited by Frenchtoastman, 21 September 2013 - 06:55 AM.

[Egomane]

Frenchtoastman, on 21 September 2013 - 06:53 AM, said:

If the number of player accounts is 1,300,000 and the number of player accounts that have posted on the forum is 525,000, I'd call the silent majority more likely 60%. This is ignoring things like alt accounts for free slots and cadet bonuses as well ignoring any alt accounts for post-trolling, but it still provides a tangible number.

Also, the most players I've ever seen playing online (back when we had a counter) was around 4,000, and it could go as low as 1000. The forum has maxed at 5,000 and currently has a little over 1000. I'd be willing to bet the poster to player ratio isn't terribly far apart.

Sorry, but your numbers are off.

Of the 526,314 members registered on the forums, nearly 456,000 never posted a single word.
Of the remaining 70.000 only close to 21,000 have 10 or more posts in total.

You can check for yourself (if that function is available to normal members, I do not know that for sure), here:
http://mwomercs.com/...members#filters

[Heffay]

Egomane, on 21 September 2013 - 07:17 AM, said:

Sorry, but your numbers are off.

Of the 526,314 members registered on the forums, nearly 456,000 never posted a single word.
Of the remaining 70.000 only close to 21,000 have 10 or more posts in total.

You can check for yourself (if that function is available to normal members, I do not know that for sure), here:
http://mwomercs.com/...members#filters

That's great data, Egomane. I always thought that the 95% number of people who don't post on the forums was exaggerated or just a swag, but... 70,000 out of 1.3 million turns out to be exactly...94.6%. Thank you!

Also interesting: 34 people joined over the last hour alone. It's early Saturday morning (or late Saturday evening, depending on where you are), and I'm not sure if there are peaks and valleys in that rate, but if we assume that is average, it means a new person is trying out MWO every 2 minutes.

Edited by Heffay, 21 September 2013 - 07:35 AM.