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[StandingCow]

Godimas, on 22 August 2013 - 03:55 PM, said:

You goof balls do know that games take time to make, right? Also you do know that there are between 30 and 40 people making this game, right? AND, you do know that the game isn't released yet....... right? Its a beta. Its a pretty awesome beta to boot. No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to play. Want all kinds of new stuff, fully functional features, weapons that are more balanced? Wait for the game to launch

Yep, I know what it takes to make games, which is why I spoke with my wallet and asked for a refund.

[Trev Firestorm]

Don't know if it'll really do anything, but why not?

[repete]

Heffay, on 22 August 2013 - 06:57 AM, said:

I think the call to action is a mistake...

Do you have an alternative suggestion?

[XX Sulla XX]

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There are some of us that have been fighting since the beginning. Long before open beta. There are some of us who voice our opinions and pre-empted what has occurred in the last 6 months. There are some of us who know exactly what this initiative is about. The ideas that are being put forward by #savemwo are clear and conscise. What we are improving on here is the METHOD in which we demonstrate the number of customers who are unhappy.with what is happening. We are demonstrating that yes, there may be x people playing the game at any given time - but there are 2x, 3x, 4x people that are upset, and upset enough that they are no longer playing the game due to not only the games faults, but the faults of the devs and publishers also. The only way to do this is to allow PGI/IGP to measure this themselves.

They may infact be growing in "registered members" but how many are still actually playing the game? In closed beta, we used to have a counter showing how many users were online at any given time - that has long gone - Given that we are struggling to find premade 12 mans even in prime us time - i dont think they really want us to know the population of their servers anymore....

If you do not understand WHAT we want changed... i understand your hesitance, but right now I do not have the time to spell it out to you. I am NOT trying to undermind ANYTHING saveMWO has in mind, i am trying to compliment their efforts.

It is you that do not understand what is being proposed, please do not talk down to me. I will revisit the OP this evening and clarify further.

You do not mention #savemwo in your original post. That is why the first reply by some one else is telling you about it. Since I am not a mind reader I had no way to knowing what you wanted. I assume from this reply that you are part of #savemwo or agree with its statements.

As for measuring the people that agree with you its really very simple. Start a thread. and have each of the "5000" people to reply to the thread saying they agree. Do not have them agree for an entire guild but each person has to sign into the forum and do it. The most replys to any thread on this part of the forum is 134. If there are really 5000+ people then you would have a thread with 5000 replies. That clearly would show power behind the movement. It is also easier than syncdropping 5000 people. And more likely to get all 5000 people to take part. And it does not mess up the game servers while I am trying to play as it can happen over many days. But in the end with comments by other people you would have a thread that is say 8000-10,000 replies long. And the developers can check IPs and forum account historys to get an idea if most or all of the people are real. If there are really 5000+ people on a thread it will get noticed.

I did not understand what you want changed because you neglected to mention anything about it in any way As for save #savemwo its OK. It has good ideas, ok ideas and not so good ideas. And no idea about what the numbers are. When people are signing for 1000 people and 500 people probably not 100% of those people agree 100% with every point from #savemwo. On the other hand there are also other people not signed who do agree.

And the reason it sounded like I was talking down to you is because your original post sounded so very very pompous. And you are the one that did not reference #savemwo in your original post. Maybe assuming people new who you were or something not sure. But I do think your plan is pompous and will effect my game play. A lot of us are having fun. A lot of us are not demanding refunds. A lot of do not like every point made by #savemwo. A lot of us think many people on this forum complain to much. A lot of us think that some parts of the community will never be happy no matter what PGI does.

And really a lot of us think you and many other take this game WAYYY to seriously. Not that we do not like Mechwarrior. But in life this game means almost nothing. I mean really with all that is going on in the world just move on. Its just a stupid video game.

So more than happy for you to try and make the game better. And #savemwo does have some good ideas. Just maybe try and do it in a less pompous way And I know this is crazy but have fun. You really can have fun playing the game right now. I know it sounds crazy but its true.

Edited by XX Sulla XX, 22 August 2013 - 09:59 PM.

[Mista Whizzard]

There was quite a positive repsonse from those who attended the town hall meeting in regard to this initiative. Watch this space.

[SixstringSamurai]

Mista Whizzard, on 22 August 2013 - 08:58 PM, said:

There was quite a positive repsonse from those who attended the town hall meeting in regard to this initiative. Watch this space.

Yeah I've already got stuff moving on the back end. I've even gone so far as to ask Garth if he would submit to an interview. The response from tonight's meeting pretty summed up that we are aware he got shoved under the bus. I would love to get an hour of his time and hopefully get someone like Peef who is neither for nor against the #SaveMWO movement and just use that as a moment to interact with the community outside of the scripted channels. After all if you don't live under a rock you should by now of realized he's the one PGI employee that's been on our side the whole time. I think he needs us as much as we need him.

As always looking for:

Streamers

Posters

Twitter followers

and

Facebookers

It's time we built a media machine and Wizz's plan is the perfect point to rally behind.

[Shael]

The issues that our community have is starting to get out into the wider world now:

http://loadeddicecas...ior-online.html
http://themittani.co...ure-communicate

Some very interesting reading on this sites.

Im glad to hear the townhall meeting went well Whiz, update me once inm on TS tonight mate.

[SixstringSamurai]

Shael, on 22 August 2013 - 10:03 PM, said:

The issues that our community have is starting to get out into the wider world now:

http://loadeddicecas...ior-online.html
http://themittani.co...ure-communicate

Some very interesting reading on this sites.

Im glad to hear the townhall meeting went well Whiz, update me once inm on TS tonight mate.

Yup and it's high time we started putting it in our own voice. Let's look at what we have. Almost every unit has a video guy or a streamer, someone who can do art, someone who can write, and so much more. Why are we wasting our time just complaining on Mumble or teamspeak to ourselves? We are a power house just waiting for a battle to fight.

THIS IS THAT BATTLE!!!!!

Edited by SixStringSamurai, 22 August 2013 - 10:28 PM.

[Lance425]

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XX Sula XX

[color=#959595]And really a lot of us think you and many other take this game WAYYY to seriously.[/color]

I don't know Misat Whizzard personally, but from what I've heard this is one of his and some of the other people's main issues. I'll agree that there have been issues with the game. Hitbox detection, the great LRM debacle of 2012 and a few others come to mind, but settle down people. I don't really care for 3rd person, but it is not a deal breaker. If the little bit of extra screen view they receive is a deal breaker for you then maybe you should go play WoW, or a free clone like Rift, something that doesn't require so much skill....

I think the biggest issue with the vocal minority is that you expected too much. Maybe like dating a girl online for 10 years without actually meeting her face to face. (Pre-Skype years) There is no amount of beauty that could have surpassed the expectations that you built up around this person. (In case you are wondering MWO is the girl in this analogy. Or simile. I've been drinking.)

Good luck with your crusade though. My BA in History says that Crusades (No matter their merit) usually end up poorly for the crusaders...

P.S. Devs, fix the hitboxes guys. Other than that good job.

[JustPyro]

I support this Whiz.

A month from launch, so much left unfinished, and so much time and money have gone into this. I want a game that I want to keep playing.

[Mista Whizzard]

Lance425, on 22 August 2013 - 10:24 PM, said:

[color=#959595]And really a lot of us think you and many other take this game WAYYY to seriously.[/color]

I don't know Misat Whizzard personally, but from what I've heard this is one of his and some of the other people's main issues. I'll agree that there have been issues with the game. Hitbox detection, the great LRM debacle of 2012 and a few others come to mind, but settle down people. I don't really care for 3rd person, but it is not a deal breaker. If the little bit of extra screen view they receive is a deal breaker for you then maybe you should go play WoW, or a free clone like Rift, something that doesn't require so much skill....

I think the biggest issue with the vocal minority is that you expected too much. Maybe like dating a girl online for 10 years without actually meeting her face to face. (Pre-Skype years) There is no amount of beauty that could have surpassed the expectations that you built up around this person. (In case you are wondering MWO is the girl in this analogy. Or simile. I've been drinking.)

Good luck with your crusade though. My BA in History says that Crusades (No matter their merit) usually end up poorly for the crusaders...

P.S. Devs, fix the hitboxes guys. Other than that good job.

Well... yea I do. I do take this game pretty seriously. And I'm flattered that you "hear" things about me. After the townhall meeting tonight, I'm rehashing my OP to this thread. I'm completely prepared for the slings and arrows too. Thankyou for wishing us luck.

P.S - The devs wont fix the hitboxes based on your feedback - that is why we are here right now

[Draco Harkins]

I'm in for any iniciative that puts them to think their ways, but ( i cant believe im agreeing with a goon) the goon is right DDOS attacks are ground for legal action, instead might i sugest a two day abstention of playing the game? It would hurt them more then a single massive drop trust me.

Also can be get this iniciatives to the Gaming news community like Destructoid/IGN/Gamespot etc?

Edited by Draco Harkins, 23 August 2013 - 03:52 AM.

[Heffay]

repete, on 22 August 2013 - 06:49 PM, said:

Do you have an alternative suggestion?

Yeah. Wait for UI 2.0 and community warfare?

Draco Harkins, on 23 August 2013 - 03:49 AM, said:

instead might i sugest a two day abstention of playing the game? It would hurt them more then a single massive drop trust me.

You think they'd notice the 0.5% drop in traffic to the game?

Never overestimate the resources you have available to yourself.

Edited by Heffay, 23 August 2013 - 05:18 AM.

[Tazzie]

Heffay, on 23 August 2013 - 05:17 AM, said:

Yeah. Wait for UI 2.0 and community warfare?

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You think they'd notice the 0.5% drop in traffic to the game?

Never overestimate the resources you have available to yourself.

You are totally correct mate. We should do absolutely nothing to stand up for what we believe in. We should all sit around and do absolutely nothing but accept the fate that others choose for us. It is way too hard to fight the system. Lets give up.

ummmm... No.

I personally support the initiative. Not convinced it will fall on anything but deaf ears, but that's no excuse to roll over and play dead now is it?

[Heffay]

I'm not saying roll over and do nothing. If you have concerns about the direction of the game, post in the feedback section, or attend the town hall, or ask for your Project Phoenix money back. Don't buy anything more in the game. Quit if you have to. Those are all much more effective actions to take than a sync drop, which has been tried in MANY other games, and has never done any good. All it does is tell PGI how many people care enough about the issue to actually log in and click a button. And that number is *never* as big as the proponents believe it will be.

It's a bit of confirmation bias. You get an opinion, then every time someone agrees with it you believe in it just a little bit more. Pretty soon you can't imagine that anyone else can possibly feel differently about the subject, and you think the world is on your side.

[StandingCow]

Whizzard updated his OP, just FYI.

Looking forward to supporting this, anything we can do to try and save the game we love and have invested tons of time and money around... something we have built communities a round.... we want this game to succeed and do well.

We complain because we care.

[Tazzie]

Heffay, on 23 August 2013 - 05:48 AM, said:

I'm not saying roll over and do nothing. If you have concerns about the direction of the game, post in the feedback section, or attend the town hall, or ask for your Project Phoenix money back. Don't buy anything more in the game. Quit if you have to. Those are all much more effective actions to take than a sync drop, which has been tried in MANY other games, and has never done any good.

I will use whatever tools I feel are appropriate for my circumstances. Not what you feel is best for me.
Thankyou for your input.

[Mista Whizzard]

Heffay, on 23 August 2013 - 05:48 AM, said:

I'm not saying roll over and do nothing. If you have concerns about the direction of the game, post in the feedback section, or attend the town hall, or ask for your Project Phoenix money back. Don't buy anything more in the game. Quit if you have to. Those are all much more effective actions to take than a sync drop, which has been tried in MANY other games, and has never done any good. All it does is tell PGI how many people care enough about the issue to actually log in and click a button. And that number is *never* as big as the proponents believe it will be.

It's a bit of confirmation bias. You get an opinion, then every time someone agrees with it you believe in it just a little bit more. Pretty soon you can't imagine that anyone else can possibly feel differently about the subject, and you think the world is on your side.

Mechwarrior Heffay,

I appreciate that you have an opinion. You have gotten it across. You disagree, that is fine. I humbly request that you discontinue the heckling at this point.

I would like to point out that the OP has been changed to better reflect the outcomes that we are trying to establish.

I am however, interested to hear of previous failed attempts to sync-drop in MANY other games - drop onto TS and have a chat with me if you will.

Whiz.

[Heffay]

Mista Whizzard, on 23 August 2013 - 06:01 AM, said:

Mechwarrior Heffay,

I appreciate that you have an opinion. You have gotten it across. You disagree, that is fine. I humbly request that you discontinue the heckling at this point.

Roger. Standing down. Good luck with your event.

And for anyone reading this that may think that Mista Whizzard and the other DHB members supporting him don't have my full support, you are mistaken.

Edited by Heffay, 23 August 2013 - 06:14 AM.

[Shael]

Heffay, on 23 August 2013 - 06:12 AM, said:

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Roger. Standing down. Good luck with your event.

And for anyone reading this that may think that Mista Whizzard and the other DHB members supporting him don't have my full support, you are mistaken.

Hi Heffay,

Dude thanks man I really appreciate your post and your support mate.


Thanks Shael <S>

Edited by Shael, 23 August 2013 - 06:20 AM.