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[FlipOver]

Tice Daurus, on 23 August 2013 - 02:52 PM, said:

I wanted to post this here so we can help PGI see what we want with our vote for the future. VOTE HERE, if you'd like to discuss your vote as well, do so below. Also, I am trying to keep this voting/polling fair and unbiased. If you want to help with suggesting a change to the voting, please list your addition/change.

As good as the pool is (lots of options) and as good as is your intention to help PGI see what the beta-testers think about this issue, I've got some bad news for you, mate.

Any poll made by other than PGI staff is ignored.

Don't even know if they will ignore the results on the poll made by Bryan.

Edit - Even so I voted anyway but don't get your hopes up... I learned it's just no use to make polls.

Edited by flipover, 29 August 2013 - 05:26 AM.

[Desdain]

At this point I'd say it's clear that PGI are only interested in growing their player base at all costs. It's a shame that they are doing it only with gimmicks and low hanging fruit, and at the cost of what I have to assume is a large portion of their original backers. I think though that these are the realities of F2P and bubble-gum type games. They don't care about core players who will invest a lot. They want millions of players who will pay $10 more than thousands of players who will pay $100s.

I wouldn't say it's silly to leave at this point. It's not really the 3PV that is driving me away so much as the realization that what you see now is just about all they have been able to accomplish over the past year. Their team hasn't been able to deliver on their promises. There is no deep and meaningful gameplay. My guess is that if their design succeeds commercially, the core players might have a bone thrown to them every now and again, but little else.

When I think about all that money generated from the Founders program, I get angry about how things have turned out. Gamers really need to form unions to manage relationships with these crowd-funded endeavors. Anyone who bought into the program on the basis of the vision presented really did get screwed. It's a shame nobody will be held accountable.

[zorak ramone]

In before lock.

How is PGI supposed to make descisions with all of these ambiguous poll results? I mean, look at those results! Its IMPOSSIBLE to figure out what the community wants! Poor PGI!

[Tice Daurus]

EVERYONE:

I understand people are angry/upset/emotional regarding PGI's latest doings. However, I don't want this poll from being locked like the others. I've tried to keep from posting my comments on here to influence the poll as much as possible, but when you guys post your comments one way or the other, and they slowly turn from how you feel to the insulting type, PGI will lock this poll, and then they can say, "Well we don't have to pay attention to this poll because we can ignore it due to the insulting remarks because it's biased."

Don't destroy this thread. All I ask is two things...

Vote your feelings on the choices listed and if you feel you are not represented on this poll with a proper choice or that the poll is somehow skewed to where you feel it's not fair, let me know in the comments so that I can work to alter the poll and post your choice doing what I can to fix the poll so that it's not in any way, shape or form biased. I want to give PGI absolutely no outs to where they can say, well this poll is biased so we can ignore it.

[ICEFANG13]

This is a good poll. We should all put it in our sigs, if we can get more or equal votes to the thread made but PGI, they would have to listen, or do neither (and since they put the poll up, they can't do nothing without losing a lot of people).

I think we all should, even the obvious 3rd person minority, lets let them know what we think about it.

[Taemien]

You know what. I'm calling each and everyone of you out. You are all turncoats and cowards. Why? 3PV was popular in MW3 and MW4 you all supported it then.. but say you don't now. I tried to get them disallowed in league play but I got walls of text saying why they should stay. So I don't want to hear this utter BS about PGI lying or that you all are hardcore.

You're not. You're just all jumping on the "hate the game dev" bandwagon that started in World of Warcraft.

Some of you weren't around back then and didn't experience the exploits and the drama behind it. So I have no idea wtf you're upset about, cept that again, you're jumping on the bandwagon.

I don't like 3PV at all. I didn't like it in MW2, MW3, MW4, or even MWLL during that one bugged patch. But I made my case over a decade ago. The rest of you didn't. Where the f--- was this outrage over 3PV when Activision allowed it in MW2? Where was it when Microprose did it? Where was it when Microsoft did it? Where were you all when certain leagues didn't disallow it, despite being shown the exploits people were using?

They had forums for those games back then. And thats where I made my complaints. Where was yours?

[zorak ramone]

Taemien, on 29 August 2013 - 07:36 AM, said:

You know what. I'm calling each and everyone of you out. You are all turncoats and cowards. Why? 3PV was popular in MW3 and MW4 you all supported it then..

We did?

I don't know about MW3 (netcode made multiplayer a joke), but in MW4, there was a server option to force 1PV. I ONLY played on servers with force 1PV. All of the no-respawn leagues were force 1PV. I'm sure most of the 3PV detractors, and I dare say most of the founders, played exclusively or almost exclusively on force 1PV servers and/or force 1PV leagues.

We NEVER supported 3PV, but in MW4 we had a choice and currently, in MWO we have no choice at all.

[ICEFANG13]

Taemien, on 29 August 2013 - 07:36 AM, said:

You know what. I'm calling each and everyone of you out. You are all turncoats and cowards. Why? 3PV was popular in MW3 and MW4 you all supported it then.. but say you don't now. I tried to get them disallowed in league play but I got walls of text saying why they should stay. So I don't want to hear this utter BS about PGI lying or that you all are hardcore.

You're not. You're just all jumping on the "hate the game dev" bandwagon that started in World of Warcraft.

Some of you weren't around back then and didn't experience the exploits and the drama behind it. So I have no idea wtf you're upset about, cept that again, you're jumping on the bandwagon.

I don't like 3PV at all. I didn't like it in MW2, MW3, MW4, or even MWLL during that one bugged patch. But I made my case over a decade ago. The rest of you didn't. Where the f--- was this outrage over 3PV when Activision allowed it in MW2? Where was it when Microprose did it? Where was it when Microsoft did it? Where were you all when certain leagues didn't disallow it, despite being shown the exploits people were using?

They had forums for those games back then. And thats where I made my complaints. Where was yours?

I never played them, and look at the poll huh? Look at all that majority turncoats.

[Taemien]

zorak ramone, on 29 August 2013 - 07:42 AM, said:

We did?

I don't know about MW3 (netcode made multiplayer a joke), but in MW4, there was a server option to force 1PV. I ONLY played on servers with force 1PV. All of the no-respawn leagues were force 1PV. I'm sure most of the 3PV detractors, and I dare say most of the founders, played exclusively or almost exclusively on force 1PV servers and/or force 1PV leagues.

We NEVER supported 3PV, but in MW4 we had a choice and currently, in MWO we have no choice at all.

That had to be post 2003, Because MW4VL didn't allow for forced 1PV unless both parties agreed to it. When I ran DHG's training it was always forced first person. Whenever I did open games (anyone could join), they would leave upon finding out it was forced first person.

Like I said before. I would make a case for 1PV only in the forums of some of those leagues and got plenty of backlash. Not very much in the way of support back then, so thats why this sudden outrage is suspicious at best.

[John Cooke]

zorak ramone, on 29 August 2013 - 07:42 AM, said:

We did?

I don't know about MW3 (netcode made multiplayer a joke), but in MW4, there was a server option to force 1PV. I ONLY played on servers with force 1PV. All of the no-respawn leagues were force 1PV. I'm sure most of the 3PV detractors, and I dare say most of the founders, played exclusively or almost exclusively on force 1PV servers and/or force 1PV leagues.

We NEVER supported 3PV, but in MW4 we had a choice and currently, in MWO we have no choice at all.

^^This right here, We had an option back then, we don't now, that's the problem, me, like Zorak here, played on FFP NR ladders/leagues only back in the day, and yes, there were more 3pv lovers because of the advantages it gave them, but still I wasn't forced to play with them... So now what, you will want no heat and unlimited ammo like in mech 4? there where a lot of peeps that loved that too!!

I just think it's not fair to force me to play with console lovers.

[zorak ramone]

Taemien, on 29 August 2013 - 07:55 AM, said:

That had to be post 2003, Because MW4VL didn't allow for forced 1PV unless both parties agreed to it.

I guess I should have said "major" MW4 NR leagues. I am, of course, thinking primarily of NBT4/Mercs/HC, and also UTS and WO.

EDIT: UTS and NBT4 were definitely pre-2003. In fact, they preceeded 2001. I don't remember when WO started.

Edited by zorak ramone, 29 August 2013 - 09:07 AM.

[Kunae]

Bryan just locked his fake poll, ignored the actual statements in posts in it, and is going ahead with his fake poll results as if they're valid.

On a daily basis, they continue to amaze me with how foolish they are.

Bryan Ekman said:

Posted Today, 11:38 AM
Thank you to all that posted here and expressed your opinion. Thank you to those that voted.

91.55% voted in favor of making 12 v 12 pre-made groups restricted to 1PV view only.

The work will be completed today, with branch testing starting tomorrow and through the next week. The planned release date will be September 17th. As with all features, they need to pass through QA and test before being released.

[Deathlike]

Kunae, on 29 August 2013 - 09:08 AM, said:

Bryan just locked his fake poll, ignored the actual statements in posts in it, and is going ahead with his fake poll results as if they're valid.

On a daily basis, they continue to amaze me with how foolish they are.

Well, the only valid thing you could say about that poll... is that people did want some level of restriction of 3PV... but PGI will find a way to spin it.

[Tolkien]

I've put a link to this poll in my signature, so hopefully lots of people will see it in the ask the devs thread here http://mwomercs.com/...ost__p__2706522

I'm still trying to figure out why they thought it appropriate to put up a poll that said 'yes - remove 3pv from 12 mans and make it permanent everywhere elese' or 'no - don't remove it from 12 mans'.....

[101011]

Tolkien, on 29 August 2013 - 10:19 AM, said:

I've put a link to this poll in my signature, so hopefully lots of people will see it in the ask the devs thread here http://mwomercs.com/...ost__p__2706522

I'm still trying to figure out why they thought it appropriate to put up a poll that said 'yes - remove 3pv from 12 mans and make it permanent everywhere elese' or 'no - don't remove it from 12 mans'.....

Yeah...way to screw over the people who don't want 3PV but also don't play 12v12.

Edited by 101011, 29 August 2013 - 11:14 AM.

[Tolkien]

101011, on 29 August 2013 - 11:14 AM, said:

Yeah...way to screw over the people who don't want 3PV but also don't play 12v12.

Pretty much... I'm one of those people and while I do want to get into 12 mans eventually I also would not have bought in as a founder for a 1pv/3pv mech game. I have no interest in funding development of mechassault online, so the whole 3pv addition is a bait and switch.

[Tice Daurus]

Folks,

Once again, please I understand you want to voice your opinion on what you believe, but this is not the place for it here, because this topic is extremely volatile. All I want is two things...

1) Make your votes for the questions I've posted.
2) If your viewpoint is not represented and/or you feel this poll is biased and needs to be corrected, please post why you feel this way, and if possible a way to help me correct it so I can keep the poll as unbiased as possible.

Thank you.

[Joseph Mallan]

Heffay, on 23 August 2013 - 03:02 PM, said:

A poll that doesn't use a random sample isn't a poll. Sorry Tice, but this isn't going to help PGI understand the wishes of the player base.

Actually all he needs to do is add a Neko in a dress option and it will be a perfect BattleTech Poll.

[MonkeyCheese]

101011, on 29 August 2013 - 11:14 AM, said:

Yeah...way to screw over the people who don't want 3PV but also don't play 12v12.

Since everything else is locked posting here.

I'm in this position don't want 3pv and don't want to play only 12v12, and something just seems odd about that official poll with its 1000 yes votes, but I guess pgi has done their best to push this under the rug again.

But seriously if numbers are doing great as they say then how will splitting the queues hurt? Because As we all know everyone still plays...

Well as they ignored all the feedback in the official poll thread once again I'm 100% done and all hope is lost.

[Xie Belvoule]

Give up, we lost. The silent majority defeated us without even uttering so much as a word. Just except that your not the target demogrhapic. The course is set, PGI is not ever going to change, its over folks. The September creative director update was a final signal that PGI has won and finally vanquished its greatest enemy, the MW, BT, and competitve players. Now that were out of the way PGI can focus on the silent majority, who by silence aprrove every decsision PGI makes.

Accept your defeat and withdraw from the field save what little face we Mechwarriors have left.

Edited by Xie Belvoule, 29 August 2013 - 02:28 PM.