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[POOTYTANGASAUR]

I am not a 2 erppc 1 gauss ***. I do mount gauss rifles on many mechs though. Guess who is switching to ac20 or any other ballistic? ME! I would much rather have a minimum range (like its supposed to) instead of lowering DPS and overall usefulness of a great weapon. The gauss doesn't need a delay. Though it doesn't make sense you should get ghost heat for firing 2 ppcs and a gauss rather than making the gauss (already vulnerable) into pure unfiltered ****. I would much rather ppcs get nerfed (they need it anyway) rather than nerf a weapon that is actually very balanced. Thoughts?

Edited by POOTYTANGASAUR, 25 August 2013 - 07:50 PM.

[80sGlamRockSensation David Bowie]

The new Gauss reminds me of the Bombast Laser from MW4

"But Highlander, what in the Hell is a bombast laser?!"

Exactly my point. RIP Gauss

Edited by mwhighlander, 25 August 2013 - 08:05 PM.

[Lefty Lucy]

I don't understand why a 35 point alpha with an explosive component, weapons with two different ranges and shot speeds needs to be nerfed in the first place.

[xenoglyph]

My thoughts: Remove the extended range of all weapons, add minimum range to Gauss.

Edited by xenoglyph, 25 August 2013 - 08:08 PM.

[80sGlamRockSensation David Bowie]

Lefty Lucy, on 25 August 2013 - 08:06 PM, said:

I don't understand why a 35 point alpha with an explosive component, weapons with two different ranges and shot speeds needs to be nerfed in the first place.

It may have something to do with PGI not having a clue what they're doing.

Meanwhile, the actual solution is to have brawler weapons on par or just as good as sniper weapons.

Oh wait, LBX sucks, SRMs hit reg is unreliable, ERPPC is actually the best energy brawling weapons and Large/Medium lasers are ghost heat nerfed.

Yep, priorities. If PGI can't make bad weapons good, then they'll simply make all the good weapons piles of shet! Genius!

(This coming from a guy who doesn't even use Gauss)

[No Guts No Glory]

mwhighlander, on 25 August 2013 - 08:04 PM, said:

The new Gauss reminds me of the Bombast Laser from MW4

"But Highlander, what in the Hell is a bombast laser?!"

Exactly my point. RIP Gauss

To be fair, no one used the bombast laser because regardless of how long it was charged it always gave full heat.

And honestly, if they're gonna make the guass rifle have a charge time, then it should only explode when destroyed while charged.

[80sGlamRockSensation David Bowie]

No Guts No Glory, on 25 August 2013 - 08:13 PM, said:

To be fair, no one used the bombast laser because regardless of how long it was charged it always gave full heat.

And honestly, if they're gonna make the guass rifle have a charge time, then it should only explode when destroyed while charged.

lol Do you honestly think PGI will do that? No, the Gauss will inevitably always give the exploding damage. Not because thats a good idea, but because its PGI and a half-a** attempt to fix a non-problem.

[Tezcatli]

mwhighlander, on 25 August 2013 - 08:09 PM, said:

It may have something to do with PGI not having a clue what they're doing.

Meanwhile, the actual solution is to have brawler weapons on par or just as good as sniper weapons.

Oh wait, LBX sucks, SRMs hit reg is unreliable, ERPPC is actually the best energy brawling weapons and Large/Medium lasers are ghost heat nerfed.

Yep, priorities. If PGI can't make bad weapons good, then they'll simply make all the good weapons piles of shet! Genius!

(This coming from a guy who doesn't even use Gauss)

I agree with buffing other weapons to be better brawling weapons. Though I lean more toward pulse weapons for that role.

But I don't agree that the charge up on Gauss rifles will turn it into shet. It just won't be as easy to use. Even harder to synergize with dual ERPPCs.

I also find it amusing how it's already decided that it will be complete "shet". Without trying it first. ;o

[xenoglyph]

Tezcatli, on 25 August 2013 - 08:20 PM, said:

I also find it amusing how it's already decided that it will be complete "shet". Without trying it first. ;o

You're right, it will simply be harder to use...meaning it doesn't actually solve anything. Skilled players will still own with it, and there will be an even bigger gulf between vets and noobs.

Edited by xenoglyph, 25 August 2013 - 08:27 PM.

[Toong]

Thoughts? I think it's a great idea. It solves the idea of PPC/Gauss alphas (Although they are falling out of vogue in my experience, they're still an issue), while also making the gauss a much less viable weapon in close-range combat without artificially lowering its damage within 120 meters.

Although I agree that PPC's are currently a -little- too strong still (though the heat nerf did wonders to put them back in line with other weapons), PGI is already looking into making them deal their damage as splash so the alpha is mitigated somewhat.

Seriously, I think is one of the more ingenius ideas PGI has had to elegantly and intuitively balance a weapon.

[Tezcatli]

xenoglyph, on 25 August 2013 - 08:26 PM, said:

You're right, it will simply be harder to use...meaning it doesn't actually solve anything. Skilled players will still own with it, and there will be an even bigger gulf between vets and noobs.

New players will have to learn it. Just like someone has to learn to lead their shots with ACs. Or how best to fight lights in slower mechs. And the people who already learn the Guass, won't have more power, they'll just be doing what they were doing before with more difficulty.

[RamsoPanzer]

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RamsoPanzer, on 25 August 2013 - 08:51 PM, said:

Carl Friedrich Gauss

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You're my kind of idi0t

Edited by PeenyPoke, 25 August 2013 - 09:06 PM.

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Lefty Lucy, on 25 August 2013 - 08:06 PM, said:

I don't understand why a 35 point alpha with an explosive component, weapons with two different ranges and shot speeds needs to be nerfed in the first place.

agreed.

POOTYTANGASAUR, on 25 August 2013 - 07:48 PM, said:

I am not a 2 erppc 1 gauss ***. I do mount gauss rifles on many mechs though. Guess who is switching to ac20 or any other ballistic? ME! I would much rather have a minimum range (like its supposed to) instead of lowering DPS and overall usefulness of a great weapon. The gauss doesn't need a delay. Though it doesn't make sense you should get ghost heat for firing 2 ppcs and a gauss rather than making the gauss (already vulnerable) into pure unfiltered ****. I would much rather ppcs get nerfed (they need it anyway) rather than nerf a weapon that is actually very balanced. Thoughts?

ppc's have already been nerfed pleanty so stop your nonsense befor im forced to b!tch slap you!:/

[MustrumRidcully]

RamsoPanzer, on 25 August 2013 - 08:51 PM, said:

Carl Friedrich Gauss

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Yeah, was he ever charged with anything?

[xenoglyph]

Tezcatli, on 25 August 2013 - 08:42 PM, said:

And the people who already learn the Guass [...] they'll just be doing what they were doing before with more difficulty.

I'm pretty sure you just agreed with me.

Edited by xenoglyph, 26 August 2013 - 01:17 AM.

[Angel of Annihilation]

Tezcatli, on 25 August 2013 - 08:20 PM, said:

I agree with buffing other weapons to be better brawling weapons. Though I lean more toward pulse weapons for that role.

But I don't agree that the charge up on Gauss rifles will turn it into shet. It just won't be as easy to use. Even harder to synergize with dual ERPPCs.

I also find it amusing how it's already decided that it will be complete "shet". Without trying it first. ;o

Oh I absolutely know any sort of charge up on a Gauss rifle will turn it to shet. It is already hard enough to aim and just lead on a moving target without trying to mentally calculate additional lead for a charge up time.

Seriously just try firing a SRM accurately on a mech with the missile bay doors close. That 0.5 second delay totally screws with your sense of timing and aim.

[Blackadder]

mwhighlander, on 25 August 2013 - 08:09 PM, said:

It may have something to do with PGI not having a clue what they're doing.

Meanwhile, the actual solution is to have brawler weapons on par or just as good as sniper weapons.

Oh wait, LBX sucks, SRMs hit reg is unreliable, ERPPC is actually the best energy brawling weapons and Large/Medium lasers are ghost heat nerfed.

Yep, priorities. If PGI can't make bad weapons good, then they'll simply make all the good weapons piles of shet! Genius!

(This coming from a guy who doesn't even use Gauss)

This is what i do not really understand about PGI's efforts to balance things. They refuse to change range on weapons, they refuse to alter reload/recharge, ammo count, and only attempt to balance by changing heat in relatively large percentages in most cases, at which point they either make a weapon to good, or toss it in the trash bin for a few months. its very frustrating, when its very easy to make individual weapons have both positives and negatives so they can be somewhat balanced, while providing for more diverse game play.

[MustrumRidcully]

Viktor Drake, on 26 August 2013 - 01:47 AM, said:

Oh I absolutely know any sort of charge up on a Gauss rifle will turn it to shet. It is already hard enough to aim and just lead on a moving target without trying to mentally calculate additional lead for a charge up time.

Seriously just try firing a SRM accurately on a mech with the missile bay doors close. That 0.5 second delay totally screws with your sense of timing and aim.

One difference is, at least to what they plan (and who knows what their plans means anymore, right?) is that you will charge the weapon, and then when it's ready you have a time window to shoot. So it's not quite as messed up as the missile bay delay.

Still I fear that this is a considerable usability nerf that might make the Gauss Rifle irrelevant in play.
And if it isn't, what does it actually do stop a PPC+Gauss Sniper to charge the Gauss and fire PPC and Gauss together when it's ready?

[Devils Advocate]

Once again it's worth noting the community was lobbying for a charge time on Gauss Rifles for the last 18 months. The Gauss rifle is the most powerful weapon in the game right now and having to line up a shot for less than a second before firing is not the end of the weapon. It'll just be a little obnoxious for assaults that want everything bound to one mouse button.

My dual Gauss rifle Jager carries 90 rounds on it and averages more than 500 damage per round because of how ridiculous Gauss rifles are. I don't expect that damage to come down at all with a charge time included.