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[Sybreed]

Bryan... I consider myself part of the "core" group, but I don't ever play 12 vs 12. I'm a pugger, I play when I can and I spent over 300$ on MWO. Please, if you need a definition for "core" players I'll give you one: "old school PC gamers with fond memories of old mechwarrior games who want an experience true to what BT is supposed to be".

You don't need to be in a clan to care for MWO and be part of the "core" group. I just want MWO to feel like a Mechwarrior game. I want the mechanics to make sense and be devoid of abuse potential. I want this game to be a thinking person shooter.

[CyBerkut]

zorak ramone, on 28 August 2013 - 12:15 PM, said:

I voted yes, but that doesn't mean I think that ONLY 12v12 premades should get 1PV only, and it doesn't mean that if this is implemented, I'll suddenly start playing again and spending money on MC.

The only thing that gets me, and others like me (more on that in a moment), playing again is 1PV only or 1PV only queues.

I come from a team that played extensively in the NBT/UTS 1PV-NR leagues. We also only played on 1PV/NR servers. There aren't a whole lot of us left and we're not really competitive anymore. We usually have 2-4 guys online at a time if we're grouped. There's no way we could get 12 on at a time. We all only tolerate 1PV-NR, so this mode doesn't work for us.

Even if my group could regularly get 12 on at a time, this wouldn't work for me personally. I'm married, have a kid, and am not in school anymore. I don't have alot of game time available, and most of the time I have available doesn't line up with the other guys in my team, so 90-95% of the time, I'm pugging. I will only playe 1PV-NR, so this solution doesn't work for me personally.

This game was at its best back in the spring, before the first SRM nerf and before ghost heat. I was so confident and happy with the game, I finally spent money to get MC and bought me an Ilya and several mech bays. I recommending the game actively to other people. Now, I have no optimism about the game or your vision for it.

I'm sure there are many others in my situation (former MW4 1PV-NR players), and I'm (we're?) not coming back until 1PV only queues exist.

Amen! You are not the only one. You may have to play (PUG) alone, but you are not alone in this outlook.

[-Natural Selection-]

Abivard, on 28 August 2013 - 02:57 PM, said:

Umm 199% genuine troll or white knight? Please clarify your statement.

I think its funny and like what hes doing. He is only making people try harder and explore ways to prove him wrong. Most would not go through the trouble to find and put some of this stuff together otherwise. And I am sure he has added another 100 pages of opposition to these threads. I am kinda sure he is doing exactly what he intended to by feeding the fire. Or he is the worst thing PGI could have as someone on their side lol.


Chew on that one a few mins...

Edited by Dozier, 28 August 2013 - 03:17 PM.

[Motroid]

Please give us the chance to drop solo 1PV only! I get a lot of decisions you made but this is very important for many Players, current and to come...

[repete]

Tabrias07, on 28 August 2013 - 03:10 PM, said:

Whatever happened to the "No misleading polls" rule Bryan?

That could be said:

"Never do a misleading poll"

...and we know Bryan never uses the word never any more. Thanks Mrs. Ekman.

[Strayed]

Voted NO because of this. Give us a 1PV only game mode, how hard can it be?

Bryan Ekman, on 28 August 2013 - 10:21 AM, said:

The public queues will remain a mix of 1PV and 3PV modes and Hardcore mode will be removed from the drop down list.

[Revorn]

Ah, just another Try to Trick People into 3PV. Lol, try harder PGI, ppl dont belie you anymore,


Let Ppl realy decide how they want to play. Every Match.

Edited by Revorn, 28 August 2013 - 03:17 PM.

[BlackJackRaider]

CyBerkut, on 28 August 2013 - 03:05 PM, said:

The proposal clearly states that Hardcore (aka 1PV-Only) would be removed from the drop down list... so yes... if people vote for that, PGI could conceivably point toward that and claim it indicated support for that removal.

If you want a 1PV-only queue for more than just 12 vs 12 man pre-made matches, then there is no acceptable answer provided to choose in that poll.

We already have seen how willing they are to ignore polls that do not match up with their agenda. If you want a vote that can get their true attention, vote with your wallet and your feet.

This is exactly why I decided to go back and remove my vote. We should all know by now that PGI intends to twist this to suggest that they have the "vocal minority" coming around to their side on the issue of 3pv.

Also, this seems topical (although I'm hoping someone will update it)

[RG Notch]

Aethos, on 28 August 2013 - 03:11 PM, said:

removed my vote.

your poll in no way addresses those in 2/4 man drops who are opposed to 3pv and just as competitive as 12man drops

By slipping in the fact that you are going to remove the Hardcore mode option is a dastardly way of claiming that you are doing what the core group asked for.

I will gladly help in making this thread just as long as the previous 278 page thread

hardcore selection mode was a solid idea, there we have a choice, which is really all any human being wants.

I removed my vote and I would suggest if you're not 100% decided to not vote until we get some clarification as to whether this will be the only place there is ever only 1PV. Of course that's unlikely as they devs vaunted vow to communicate better is about as valid as their vow to never have to drop against 3PV. Maybe if there aren't a lot of votes they will have to say something. I know I dream.

[Chronojam]

Tabrias07, on 28 August 2013 - 03:10 PM, said:

Whatever happened to the "No misleading polls" rule Bryan?

Position changed. It's in the TOS, so it's ethical, yeah?

[Volkite]

Did not vote, poll is loaded.
Yes means no option for 1st-person only.
No means no change in the current ****** state of affairs you're forcing.

[Deux]

Close one topic after not listening to the players, now another poll not to listen to the players? I assume you will be asking us to drink the special koolaid next.

[Chavette]

Sybreed, on 28 August 2013 - 03:12 PM, said:

Bryan... I consider myself part of the "core" group, but I don't ever play 12 vs 12. I'm a pugger, I play when I can and I spent over 300$ on MWO. Please, if you need a definition for "core" players I'll give you one: "old school PC gamers with fond memories of old mechwarrior games who want an experience true to what BT is supposed to be".

You don't need to be in a clan to care for MWO and be part of the "core" group. I just want MWO to feel like a Mechwarrior game. I want the mechanics to make sense and be devoid of abuse potential. I want this game to be a thinking person shooter.

You haven't played mwo if you haven't been in a proper, non-random drop... Its a different game, one you aren't part of. So yes you are far from core group.

[Ghost_19Hz]

Tolkien, on 28 August 2013 - 10:55 AM, said:

About damn time.

Tell you what - if you manage to follow through on your word this time before the phoenix pack goes off sale, I'll even re-buy it.

At least this is my stance at the time.

To be fair though you should have a few more options in the poll such as 'implement the 1pv/3pv queues we originally said we would' or 'limit all play to 1pv' just to see what the community wants*

.... hmmmmm.... ahh yes there was one of those>

[Tabrias07]

repete, on 28 August 2013 - 03:14 PM, said:

That could be said:

"Never do a misleading poll"

...and we know Bryan never uses the word never any more. Thanks Mrs. Ekman.

You didn't read carefully enough. That lasted about 6 seconds.

[Bhael Fire]

It's step in the right direction...but I consider myself a "core" audience player and I play in PUGs almost exclusively because I hate using third party VOIP.

I still want a Hardcore mode that is different from the basic game and 1PV only.

[Sybreed]

Chavette, on 28 August 2013 - 03:19 PM, said:

You haven't played mwo if you haven't been in a proper, non-random drop... Its a different game, one you aren't part of. So yes you are far from core group.

pardon me, but I don't see how having friends to play a game puts me in a different group. You either paid a lot of money for MWO and care for its success, or you don't. Basically, your whole definition of "core" group for MWO is dependent on the possibility to have in-game VOIP or not.

[Deathlike]

For those who regularly play 12 (and formerly 8) mans... how many matches do you think you play compared to regular solo pugging and/or premades?

It is very likely that the majority do not even participate more than say 10% of all their matches total in 12-mans. In this very grindy game, you are more likely to solo PUG and/or play in many premades. Some people claim to never want to solo PUG, due to the degree of difficulty of playing alone.. and some strictly solo PUG... so 12-mans are not really in the cards for many.

Do people really know why sync dropping happens? It's because it's very difficult to put together a 12-man as if it weren't already difficult for 8-mans. There is a logical reason why people have asked for team sizes between 5 and 11... it's because filling up 12 can be like pulling teeth. It's not the most enjoyable wait all the time. People like to play together. So limiting the entire issue to just 12-mans is a completely disingenuous solution that solves virtually nothing (although, it's a good thing for "competitive play" to a limited degree).

This issue isn't going to go away w/o a fight. PGI should be prepared to take feedback seriously and not just insult the player base with this weak excuse of a compromise.

Edited by Deathlike, 28 August 2013 - 03:27 PM.

[Franchi]

BlackJackRaider, on 28 August 2013 - 03:17 PM, said:

This is exactly why I decided to go back and remove my vote. We should all know by now that PGI intends to twist this to suggest that they have the "vocal minority" coming around to their side on the issue of 3pv.

Also, this seems topical (although I'm hoping someone will update it)

how I missed this video is beyond me, one of the best takes on that i have EVER seen, and in my years of video gaming I've seen that used ALOT

[BlackJackRaider]

Franchi, on 28 August 2013 - 03:24 PM, said:

how I missed this video is beyond me, one of the best takes on that i have EVER seen, and in my years of video gaming I've seen that used ALOT

As you can tell, it came out around the time of the MC coolant fiasco. The irony is, that was actually the one time that PGI actually listened to the community and yanked a bone-headed idea. If I knew who made the first one, I would ask them to update it for the current crisis...although keeping it up to date might become a really labor intensive job.