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[RG Notch]

Franchi, on 28 August 2013 - 02:51 PM, said:

THANK YOU!

Anytime, it's funny how you don't even really need to add lots of people or even more than one ....

[Heffay]

Ranik Selesky, on 28 August 2013 - 02:50 PM, said:

Ah poor heffay. "See you got what you wanted"

He is literally pushing the boundaries of trolling / white knighting at this point.

How am I trolling? I'm being respectful, not insulting anyone, answering people's questions, and generally trying to be a helpful voice in this community. And all this while being subject to a TON of personal attacks, just because some people have a different opinion than me. Yet I rise above it, and hope that by being a good example, others too will raise the level of discourse on these forums.

Yes, I'm a bit of an optimist, but I believe there is a little good in everyone.

[pantherzero]

1pv only for any sized group please.

I want to add that I will not spend money for more mechs if its 1pv only JUST for 12 player queue.
competitive play requires kitted out and levelled mechs and as such I would not be dropping in a fresh chassis with no xp into a 12 man queue.
we still need 1pv only for general drops for both levelling and testing

Edited by pantherzero, 28 August 2013 - 02:58 PM.

[Kunae]

Heffay, on 28 August 2013 - 02:53 PM, said:

How am I trolling? I'm being respectful, not insulting anyone, answering people's questions, and generally trying to be a helpful voice in this community. And all this while being subject to a TON of personal attacks, just because some people have a different opinion than me. Yet I rise above it, and hope that by being a good example, others too will raise the level of discourse on these forums.

Yes, I'm a bit of an optimist, but I believe there is a little good in everyone.

No, you're being deliberately pedantic and disingenuous. Otherwise known as "trolling".

[Heffay]

Kunae, on 28 August 2013 - 02:54 PM, said:

No, you're being deliberately pedantic and disingenuous. Otherwise known as "trolling".

I assure you I am 100% genuine here.

Edited by Heffay, 28 August 2013 - 02:55 PM.

[Tabrias07]

Bryan Ekman, on 28 August 2013 - 10:21 AM, said:

The public queues will remain a mix of 1PV and 3PV modes and Hardcore mode will be removed from the drop down list. Future enhancements to the matchmaker will allow stricter tonnage limits, and encourage a more fair and level playing field for all MWO matches.

We're never getting a 1PV only queue are we?

[UndoneJin]

It's not perfect, but it's a hell of a lot better than "get over it." Get this in ASAP.

[Heffay]

Tabrias07, on 28 August 2013 - 02:55 PM, said:

We're never getting a 1PV only queue are we?

That's exactly what he's offering. A 1PV only queue.

[Pyrrho]

Heffay, on 28 August 2013 - 02:39 PM, said:

You're never a solo player, unless there are 11 disconnects on your side. You always have a team with you. And teamwork wins matches.

Deliberate obtuseness or acute incomprehension does not make the things you say valid. If you don't understand something you should probably clarify what you are talking about before looking like... well, like you.

[Abivard]

Heffay, on 28 August 2013 - 02:55 PM, said:

I assure you I am 100% genuine here.

Umm 199% genuine troll or white knight? Please clarify your statement.

[Peiper]

Putting together a 12 man team is a lot of work. Most people don't want 3rd person at all, and those who are okay with it still want it to be segregated. Just because those who CAN put together 12 mans are established units doesn't mean we're okay with dropping with 3rd person optional queues when we can't put together 12 mans. Most people who put together 12 mans end up playing someone of a radically different skill level and would rather drop as smaller teams until the 12 v 12 queue is balanced out.

I like to drop with my friends no matter what size team we're in, and my friends and I would like to drop with arcade mode disabled.

So, in short, this is NOT a solution. This is a lazy-man's bandaid that doesn't even cover up the wound.

Solution: Private lobbies.
Interim solution: segregated queues.
Hold-Your-Horses solution: Bribe us with a bit of MC per drop as a reward for putting up with months of bullshizzle while you get lobbies and segregated queues up and running.

Deleting my vote: I don't want my 'yes' vote to be misinterpreted as 'this is a good solution.'

[Franchi]

Dear Heffay.

This will be my last communication.

I would like to congratulate you on becoming the first and only person on my ignore list, Ive known how to use it for a long time, but you are the first to be so pig headed and inconsistent as to leave me with no other conclusion than that you are trolling.

You know as well as the rest of us what PGI promised, you simply don't care, you genuinely do not care about either side of this issue, you are here for the sole purpose of taking the least popular and most idiotic side to upset the highest number of people.

Buh bye!!

sincerely,
Franchi,
formerly of BCMC, formerly of TF, formerly a catapult driver.

[rdmx]

Where's the option to say "no third person in all queues full stop"? Talk about a loaded question.

[Heffay]

Peiper, on 28 August 2013 - 02:57 PM, said:

Putting together a 12 man team is a lot of work. Most people don't want 3rd person at all, and those who are okay with it still want it to be segregated. Just because those who CAN put together 12 mans are established units doesn't mean we're okay with dropping with 3rd person optional queues when we can't put together 12 mans. Most people who put together 12 mans end up playing someone of a radically different skill level and would rather drop as smaller teams until the 12 v 12 queue is balanced out.

I like to drop with my friends no matter what size team we're in, and my friends and I would like to drop with arcade mode disabled.

So, in short, this is NOT a solution. This is a lazy-man's bandaid that doesn't even cover up the wound.

Solution: Private lobbies.
Interim solution: segregated queues.
Hold-Your-Horses solution: Bribe us with a bit of MC per drop as a reward for putting up with months of bullshizzle while you get lobbies and segregated queues up and running.

Deleting my vote: I don't want my 'yes' vote to be misinterpreted as 'this is a good solution.'

I like a lot of these ideas; especially the MC bribe and the lobbies.

Especially the MC bribes.

[Saint Scarlett Johan]

Heffay, on 28 August 2013 - 02:53 PM, said:

How am I trolling? I'm being respectful, not insulting anyone, answering people's questions, and generally trying to be a helpful voice in this community. And all this while being subject to a TON of personal attacks, just because some people have a different opinion than me. Yet I rise above it, and hope that by being a good example, others too will raise the level of discourse on these forums.

Yes, I'm a bit of an optimist, but I believe there is a little good in everyone.

White knighting is trolling.
white knighting


In forum parlance, it means rushing to the aid of another poster for whatever reason. An accusation typically reserved for when a poster is being hammered by another poster(s) and the accused leaps in to defend them, usually without thinking things through as to why the person is being attacked.

Trolling


The art of deliberately, cleverly, and secretly ******* people off, usually via the internet, using dialogue. Trolling does not mean just making rude remarks: Shouting swear words at someone doesn't count as trolling; it's just flaming, and isn't funny. Spam isn't trolling either; it ****** people off, but it's lame.

Both instances, you are (intentionally or not) ******* people off, via the internet, using dialogue. You are subtly trolling the majority userbase by defending PGI's consistently unethical bait and switch and "lawyering" of their previous statements. Ergo, you are both white knighting and trolling.

[Hellcat420]

Heffay, on 28 August 2013 - 02:50 PM, said:

They are putting in separate queues. 1 combined, one 1PV only. They are holding up to their promises.

no, making 12man que 1pv only is not the same. they are not holding up to their promises.

[Pycckuu]

This would be a good idea, except nobody plays 12v12 because there is no reason to. 12v12 is not good for grinding cash because forming groups that size is hard, finding matches takes longer, and you lose more often because the opposition is organized. There is no community warfare or lobbies or 12v12 tournaments organized by either PGI or the players, so there isn't even a reason to drop 12 mans for training your competitive teams.

Right now, about the only thing you can do in game is grind cash to buy new mechs, and most people drop 4 mans to grind cash. With the economy rebalanced, we need to grind cash for longer periods of time. I'm not even sure how to respond to this poll because although adding this feature would be good, nobody would see it or use it because so few people play 12 mans. A better idea would be to split the queues like you originally wanted.

[Maphr]

Only for pre-made group matches? It's a start, I guess, but c'mon.
Lets be honest here. Those premade groups already AREN'T USING 3RD PERSON VIEW. No one likes it, so thanks for doing nothing yet still trying to look like you're making the effort.

[Trev Firestorm]

Heffay, on 28 August 2013 - 02:39 PM, said:

That's exactly what they are providing though. 2 queues, one combined, one 1PV only. You never have to play in the combined queue.

No because 1pv only requires you to find 11 other players yourself and go through the hassle of getting them all readied up which is not an option for the limited time/casual dropping players that DO NOT WANT 3PV and NEVER WANTED IT.

[repete]

So since the non-apology apology feedback thread is now locked, this seems the current thread to carry on the prior discussion.

As for the poll, very glad to see how many others responding here understand. This is at best a weak attempt to say "See! We listen", and at worst and attempt to divide and conquer.

As many others have started: I'm not going to vote in the poll. It doesn't give the real option which PGI knows we want. If "Implement the hardcore queues" was in there, it would have got 99% of the vote at they know it.

So I might look at it this way:

"Please don't leave. Look we'll meet you half-way! Aren't we being reasonable? Here! Look! Two more 'Mechs for Proect Phoenix. Just please stop the refund requests. The forum posts. The Facebook posts. The tweets. The blog posts. The YouTube comments. The gaming media articles. Please come back and play the game".

Just eat the damned crow and get on with it!

Edited by repete, 28 August 2013 - 03:05 PM.