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[Kunae]

Squid von Torgar, on 28 August 2013 - 01:44 PM, said:

Guys, vote yes for crying out loud, even if you don't frequent 12 v 12s I can guarantee you that if 1PV only isn't implemented there you will have no chance of seeing it in the wider game later.

Make it a landslide in order to increase the chances. PGI are watching, make sure your voice is heard.

BS.

This poll is a false choice. They already know our opinions on this matter. It's not like there haven't been ~280page posts on it or anything, or previous and more accurate polls done which showed overwhelmingly what the community feels.

Now they are asking us to endorse, and I do mean endorse, a silly idea that still doesn't come anywhere close to even their latest false statements, not even counting the regression series they've done on us since a year ago.

Don't participate in the poll, just in the thread.

[-Natural Selection-]

Heffay, on 28 August 2013 - 02:18 PM, said:

Hmm.... ok then. I will go with both polls are good. And since this one is more recent, it's a more accurate representation of how the community feels today. They want 1PV only queues, this gives it to them, and PGI can say they agreed to do exactly what they said they would do.

Everybody wins!

http://www.merriam-w...ictionary/never Try again.

[Chronojam]

Deathlike, on 28 August 2013 - 10:55 AM, said:

Hold on... why is this solely limited to the 12v12 queues?

Understandably that 12v12 is where the "competitive matches" go, but that is the worst logic to "balance" this game. That is not even a fix or resolution to the problem... just a mediocre placation to the problem at hand.

This is worse than unacceptable... it is completely myopic at best as a solution.

You say myopic, I say tone-deaf, either way I've grown cynical and see this as worse than just a bone tossed our way. If I had to guess, they probably already know what the answer is going to be and after holding an emergency meeting, made up their minds to take this meager concession as a way to slow the endless threadnaughts. We already know they do not care about forum polls, yes? Why would it suddenly matter out of the blue?

A poll's a nice way to give angry players warm-and-fuzzies that they "gave feedback" when the predetermined concession was proffered.

I'd love to see in-the-launcher polling/surveys and get some direct answers from players, it's just surprising to see them suddenly give real stock to a forum poll that's already been done several times with thousands of respondents and covered to death b #saveMWO. That's what makes me raise an eyebrow and wonder if this isn't already on some developer's to-do list.

[warp103]

Psikez, on 28 August 2013 - 02:27 PM, said:

I will take this as an acceptable compromise

and this is how they split us up.

This is not a compromise it a way to split the core fans looking for 1pv Q.

[Chronojam]

Tolkien, on 28 August 2013 - 10:55 AM, said:

About damn time.

Tell you what - if you manage to follow through on your word this time before the phoenix pack goes off sale, I'll even re-buy it.

At least this is my stance at the time.

To be fair though you should have a few more options in the poll such as 'implement the 1pv/3pv queues we originally said we would' or 'limit all play to 1pv' just to see what the community wants*

.... hmmmmm.... ahh yes there was one of those>

Look pal, your forum polls aren't official. They don't ask the right questions.

[saintchuck]

Since I don't trust any thing you say, I'll put on my tinfoil hat and say it's just a ploy to keep playing membership up through launch. No thanks. Done with your game.

[Caviel]

Xavier Wulf, on 28 August 2013 - 02:09 PM, said:

To those of you who are saying this is a small step in the right direction, are you sure they will go further with this progression to separate queues?

I'm sure at this time they have no plans to do more than just no 3PV in 12 pilot group drops. This is why I suggest anyone that is opposed to 3PV and 1PV together, drop in 12 pilot groups exclusively if/when this goes live so PGI can get a feel for how many people are that opposed to 3PV that they will go out of their way to avoid it.

[ferranis]

ACTIONS, no polls, no words, no hot air....


Trash third person and that ghost heat {Scrap} too.

[MuonNeutrino]

This.... doesn't even come close to solving the problem. In fact, this poll makes it worse. There is no good answer here.

'Yes' is a de-facto endorsement of the *complete* removal of any shred of hope for the original promise of separate 3pv and 1pv queues. The 3pv issue has nothing to do with pug vs 12man play - there is some overlap between the '12man group' and '1pv only' demographics, but they are *far* from identical. 'Yes' leaves everyone who wants 1pv but isn't interested in the 12man queue out in the cold - and practically guaranteed to leave them there forever, to boot, because you can bet your rear that there won't ever be a regular 1pv only queue added if this is done instead. This is not acceptable to me, because that is exactly the group with which I identify. I have no desire to sit through the painfully unfun experience of trying to play in full-group matches just because it's the only place where I can get away from 3pv.

'No', on the other hand, is a de-facto endorsement of the status quo, which is also unacceptable, for obvious reasons, especially because if 'no' were to win you can bet your rear that this *also* would kill any chance of a regular 1pv only queue being added.

Please, don't make polls with only bad options. Both options here would completely nix the possibility of any game mode I would enjoy playing ever being restored to the game, and that hurts.

[Tolkien]

It's as though they don't ever want to rebuild their credibility.

Everyone knows about this and about what the community really wants.



PGI since you're taking gameplay design from your 10 year old children why don't you show them this image and ask them what you should do. For bonus points ask how honest/fair the poll you've put up is.

Maybe ask Paul's wife about the 'meaning' of this result since she was pretty sharp on the meaning of 'always' and 'never'.

Edited by Tolkien, 28 August 2013 - 02:34 PM.

[Tiger 6]

The one redeeming feature I can see in this compromise is that if the PPC/Gauss death squads (yes, I am a member of one) can't use 3PV to get an edge in competitive matches, they don't have a reason to practice with it in pug matches - and if the top tier guys don't do it, hopefully the copycats won't see the need to either...

[KovarD]

repete, on 28 August 2013 - 01:31 PM, said:

PS - Wow. Looks like PGI removed my old signature for me. Just, wow. When you have nothing to counter what people say, just censor them. Truth hurt much?

Niko just passed on my profile and removed my forum signature too.

[Arnold Carns]

Heffay, on 28 August 2013 - 02:28 PM, said:

Anyone can play in the 12v12 queues. Doesn't need to be competitive at all. In fact, you never have to ever face a 3PV player again, if you don't want to.

If you don't have your own team to play with, go to the NGNG teamspeak servers and get into a pickup match!

What part of "Players will never be forced to use or play against other players using 3rd person" are you either unable or unwilling to understand!?! That's a rethorical question!

[Granimal]

MuonNeutrino, on 28 August 2013 - 02:33 PM, said:

This.... doesn't even come close to solving the problem. In fact, this poll makes it worse. There is no good answer here.

'Yes' is a de-facto endorsement of the *complete* removal of any shred of hope for the original promise of separate 3pv and 1pv queues. The 3pv issue has nothing to do with pug vs 12man play - there is some overlap between the '12man group' and '1pv only' demographics, but they are *far* from identical. 'Yes' leaves everyone who wants 1pv but isn't interested in the 12man queue out in the cold - and practically guaranteed to leave them there forever, to boot, because you can bet your rear that there won't ever be a regular 1pv only queue added if this is done instead. This is not acceptable to me, because that is exactly the group with which I identify. I have no desire to sit through the painfully unfun experience of trying to play in full-group matches just because it's the only place where I can get away from 3pv.

'No', on the other hand, is a de-facto endorsement of the status quo, which is also unacceptable, for obvious reasons, especially because if 'no' were to win you can bet your rear that this *also* would kill any chance of a regular 1pv only queue being added.

Please, don't make polls with only bad options. Both options here would completely nix the possibility of any game mode I would enjoy playing ever being restored to the game, and that hurts.

Quoted for truth!!!!

[Heffay]

Caviel, on 28 August 2013 - 02:31 PM, said:

I'm sure at this time they have no plans to do more than just no 3PV in 12 pilot group drops. This is why I suggest anyone that is opposed to 3PV and 1PV together, drop in 12 pilot groups exclusively if/when this goes live so PGI can get a feel for how many people are that opposed to 3PV that they will go out of their way to avoid it.

I agree with Caviel. For those opposed to 3PV, just play in the 1PV queues. This will not only help fill up the 12 man queues, it'll be able matchmake on Elo scores a lot better as well.

This is why they need a lobby though. So much easier to organize that way. I'm afraid the numbers will be artificially low due to the difficulty of setting up 12 mans. However, people can always go to the NGNG teamspeak servers if they don't have a unit, so they can participate in pick-up 12 man groups.

[Duncan Longwood]

I'm a solo player and I want 1pv... there isn't any in-game benefit for me to join and maintain a team until phase 3 of CW. I don't feel that I should have to schedule when I want to play with 11 other people just because I want to play in 1pv-only.

[Franchi]

KovarD, on 28 August 2013 - 02:35 PM, said:

Niko just passed on my profile and removed my forum signature too.

Welcome to the club may i suggest reading
http://mwomercs.com/...d/#entry2703220

[Livewyr]

This isn't as far as I would like it. But the [expected result] does assuage my deepest concern regarding 3pv abuse.


I'm not going to uninstall the game and will probably play a few matches here and there. if the continued actionable response to community concerns and Phoenix/sabre sales go through October when I get money again..I'll buy both.

I wish this and 1pv Qs were implemented in the first place.

Live

[Armando]

I deleted my vote. The poll is, well, how to say this in a PG-13 manner....loaded. Yes, that is it...this poll is loaded. If you want a REAL poll try again with the 'remove 3PV from the game' and an option. Of course PGI could care less what its players want (if the DID care 3PV would have never been developed to begin with).

[Heffay]

Arnold Carns, on 28 August 2013 - 02:35 PM, said:

What part of "Players will never be forced to use or play against other players using 3rd person" are you either unable or unwilling to understand!?! That's a rethorical question!

That's exactly what they are providing though. 2 queues, one combined, one 1PV only. You never have to play in the combined queue.