904 replies to this topic

[PEEFsmash]

This might actually provide a slight boost of confidence in PGI to the competitive players that are halfway out the door.

My personal thoughts on 3PV? Not many are using it. Snow Raven's Dustmuffins showed himself crushing some kids with it, but he probably would have crushed them anyway. This poll is more symbolic than anything, but I hope that symbolism works and PGI can retain some of the competitive players that feel driven away and not cared about.

Edited by PEEFsmash, 28 August 2013 - 12:57 PM.

[CateranEnforcer]

Good start, but it's been a long time since I had 12 people around I wanted to play with. 12v12's are full of PPC/Gauss builds anyways, and that's oh so very fun. Will there be something for those of us who don't do 12v12 premades all day?

[Lugh]

THIS IS NOT WHAT YOU PROMISED. YOU PROMISED A HARD CORE QUEUE SYSTEM. I may want to practice for the 12 man competitive drops and use ONLY 1PV without being handicapped ...


Just Give us the queue split you promised. For 1PV QUE hardcore in 12man premade and 4 man drops and one man drops too.

You do that, KEEPING YOUR WORD..

And I will re-buy the Phoenix Pack which you refunded me 2 days ago and add the Griffin pack for your greedy little selves.

Edited by Lugh, 28 August 2013 - 12:58 PM.

[Deathlike]

PEEFsmash, on 28 August 2013 - 12:54 PM, said:

This might actually provide a slight boost of confidence in PGI to the competitive players that are halfway out the door.

"Might" sounds optimistic but yet we don't know what the future implications of this vote actually means.

I mean, this could be the last "vote" with respect to 3PV for PGI and nothing 3PV-wise would get changed in months.

It's not even a good proposition.

Edited by Deathlike, 28 August 2013 - 12:58 PM.

[Z0MBIE Y0SHI]

I approve of this pole.

Also...

Can we has the 8 man premade back, too?

[Heffay]

Arnold Carns, on 28 August 2013 - 12:49 PM, said:

NO! Reason: "Players will never be forced to use or play against other players using 3rd person." Stick to your promise you gave on the 31st of March 2013!

If they implement 1PV only 12 mans, then they have kept their promise. You won't be forced to play against someone in 3PV.

[DocBach]

PEEFsmash, on 28 August 2013 - 12:54 PM, said:

This might actually provide a slight boost of confidence in PGI to the competitive players that are halfway out the door.

...But it doesn't really do much to boost the confidence of non-competitive players who are stuck playing in queues with a feature they don't want.

[HammerSwarm]

Dear Niko,

What if you did this for teams of 4 or more, to limit it for when you introduce tonnage? I can see 11 people dropping into a queue being just as bad as 12 in that range.

Doesn't take but a few guys who know what they are doing to mess you up. Plus 2 by 4, and 3 by 4 sync drops.

[PEEFsmash]

Beef Hands, on 28 August 2013 - 12:41 PM, said:

No. I want be able to drop casually and not have to play against 3PV players. I would like to be able to stay with my current team and not have to join another one (that has more active players) just so I can play in "hardcore" mode.

You should be voting yes, but also note that you think this should apply to all queues, not just 12v12.

People that aren't voting yes to this because they want no 3PV at all are cutting off the nose to spite the face.

Edited by PEEFsmash, 28 August 2013 - 01:05 PM.

[Trev Firestorm]

Can't vote, no option for universal 1pv only queue.

Edited by Trev Firestorm, 28 August 2013 - 01:19 PM.

[Neros]

Initial reaction:

• Vote shows yes? - "We removed TPV from 12v12! What's that, you still want further TPV restrictions? This was the change suggested by the community and I think you've an inflated sense of entitlement if you want us to go against the community's wishes just for you."
  
• Vote shows no? - "See, it isn't that bad. Most players don't think that TPV is detrimental to the game or surely they'd have said no for at least 12v12."

What a nice non-solution they're offering.

Abstain.

Edited by Neros, 28 August 2013 - 01:06 PM.

[soarra]

Heffay, on 28 August 2013 - 12:58 PM, said:

If they implement 1PV only 12 mans, then they have kept their promise. You won't be forced to play against someone in 3PV.

except for the people who don't play 12v12..

[XANi]

Deathlike, on 28 August 2013 - 11:46 AM, said:

12-mans are insanely hard to put together. When we get tonnage limits (not even sure of that ETA at all), discussing who gets what becomes incredibly more difficult to manage (not impossible, but time consuming). It is effectively like a major commitment in league games back in MW4 days... so it's a very difficult thing to just "get it going".

I'd imagine it would be **** easy compared to getting say 25 man raid group going in any other MMO....

IF MWO had any kind of social features.

I dunno if it's planned for community warfare, UI 2.0 or at all, but having some kind of chatrooms and guild/clan/corp system would make organising any kind of premades much easier.

Now if you have say 8 ppl you just can't do premade, with that you could drop to chatroom and ask "hey, anyone for premade? need 2 light/meds and 2 heavies, teamspeak required"

As for tonnage, I'd imagine saying "okay guys, just dont run Steiner Scout Lance pls" would be enougth to not get over

[Werewolf486 ScorpS]

Sorry Russ, but this is just a compromise in your favor. We still want the Queue idea if you're hellbent on keeping 3PV. I drop in more 4man groups then 12 man groups, since you ran off most of my friends list with your consistently broken promises and string of bad ideas. First it was the limit on players in a group which caused a mass exodus, then it was you inability to correctly fix ECM, then the heat penalty that broke viable non-boat builds, now it's 3PV and the sting of lies on that one, and in the future what you're going to do to kill the Gauss for normal players that anyone with a macro can over come. Those of us who will still drop to spend time with what's left of our friends list still want a separate queue in 4man or any other *man groups.

You promised separate queues.....now deliver it!

[Heffay]

soarra, on 28 August 2013 - 01:06 PM, said:

except for the people who don't play 12v12..

Well, that doesn't mean they aren't keeping their promise.

Quote

Players will never be forced to use or play against other players using 3rd person.

[Kanya Pryde]

I would like to make a request as part of a silent minority.

I am a long time Battletech fan... going back to 1996. I am not one of the many players who have played without ceasing for more than a decade with the same group of guys. I am not an elite gamer, but I am able to hold my own in MWO, a game which I have spent real life money on and enjoy. I have a full time job, a wife and 3 kids with another on the way. I do not have truck loads of time to spend getting good enough to join an elite 12 man group, let alone the time to find one, and when I play I don't have time to spend just sitting around waiting for all 11 other guys to be ready to play a match.

I am the most silent of all minorities. I am neither elite, nor just another kid to pad numbers.

My question is this: will there be a que at some point for 4v4 or some other size match where a few buddies can play organized small scale battles? Ideally, I would like this to be hardcore 1pv but would be ok with it simply existing as an option.

[Hawkeye 72]

This would be a step in the right direction. At least start to quell some of the forum riots.

[soarra]

Heffay, on 28 August 2013 - 01:07 PM, said:

Well, that doesn't mean they aren't keeping their promise.

what part of You will never have to queue against 3pv do you not understand..

[Deathlike]

XANi, on 28 August 2013 - 01:06 PM, said:

I'd imagine it would be **** easy compared to getting say 25 man raid group going in any other MMO....

IF MWO had any kind of social features.

I dunno if it's planned for community warfare, UI 2.0 or at all, but having some kind of chatrooms and guild/clan/corp system would make organising any kind of premades much easier.

Now if you have say 8 ppl you just can't do premade, with that you could drop to chatroom and ask "hey, anyone for premade? need 2 light/meds and 2 heavies, teamspeak required"

As for tonnage, I'd imagine saying "okay guys, just dont run Steiner Scout Lance pls" would be enougth to not get over

Hmm... community, lobbies, social features. Where is this UI 2.0 and CW that keeps getting referenced?

Right now even the current messaging system is worse than the basic stuff I used in "basic chat apps" like AIM (AOL Instant Messenger)... and it still doesn't even work right.

[KharnZor]

Bloody Moon, on 28 August 2013 - 12:32 PM, said:

Give us a poll asking if we want Hardcore public queue, then we're talking, in the meantime this is better than nothing.

No chance it will change from this implementation imo

Heffay, on 28 August 2013 - 12:31 PM, said:

Well Soarra, it looks like your sig is right if this goes through. If you never want to play against someone in 3PV, that is definitely going to be an option now.

I see what you did there. Entry lvl troll.

Edited by KharnZor, 28 August 2013 - 01:22 PM.