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[Haitchpeasauce]

Bryan Ekman, on 28 August 2013 - 10:21 AM, said:

Details: 12 man pre-made group matches will have 1PV enforced as the only useable view mode. Players will not be able to switch between 1PV and 3PV when playing in 12 v 12 pre-made match play.

This gives our core audience, who represent almost exclusively the 12 man team group play, a place to enjoy a pure 1PV experience.

The public queues will remain a mix of 1PV and 3PV modes and Hardcore mode will be removed from the drop down list. Future enhancements to the matchmaker will allow stricter tonnage limits, and encourage a more fair and level playing field for all MWO matches.

This is a step in the right direction, and I appreciate that Bryan has responded to the 3PV backlash with something, but there are also a few problems here.

But in the positive side, this acknowledges the overwhelming feedback of wanting 1PV only, and at least gives one place where this happens.

I disagree with "Hardcore Mode" to be removed from the public queues, as many Founders play public queue exclusively, and this still goes against PGI's word of players always having the option to choose.

Therefore the poll does not completely reflect the conditions laid out by Bryan. I call them conditions, because this poll comes across as a kind of treaty, more on that later. A poll that correctly reflects the content of the post would say:

1. Yes, and 1PV/3PV options added to public queues.
2. Yes, with 1PV/3PV mixed and the hardcore mode removed.
3. No.

But this is where this poll becomes a treaty. If this poll is a response to the 290 280 pages of negative feedback about 3PV, then PGI is making a deal for peace: We give you 12-mans with 1PV, but in exchange for "Hardcore Mode" to be removed. He then backs this up by calling the core audience (reads: the vocally negative minority) as the only group who uses 12 man games, and don't play any other mode.

With this I am not in agreement and see this as a fairly low play.

Edited by Haitchpeasauce, 28 August 2013 - 06:13 PM.

[RussianWolf]

I'm not interested in having to be in a team, even if it's a loose team that last a couple hours. I play my way and they would likely get fed up and kick me out. I don't have an issue with that but it isn't fair to them.

I am a solo drop player and will not play in 3pv exploit queue.

refund my money and lock my account please. I will happily leave without a issue. You've disappointed me enough.

[Protection]

You haven't actually stopped or turned around the car here, you're just sort of lowering your rate of acceleration as you hurdle towards the abyss.

[Ranik Selesky]

Read my sig and follow the instructions.

[Stalephreak]

Bryan, there's still one glaring flaw in your logic. I've uninstalled the game, and my G.A.S. unit is busted. You're still hell bent on this fuzzy math on heat! Give me a reason to install again, rather than your cute little attempt to try and undo the damage done by calling what is your core group (position of this post) a non-target market (position of your September update).

[Aym]

I voted yes but this is a farce. The idea that 12 person will satisfy your core audience (Founders) is laughable on it's face. Furthermore this contradicts the statement in the sept update that says your core audience is thrilled with your recent changes, which is also laughable on it's face. Please, PLEASE, explain what you think your core audience is. Or if you don't want to be TOO specific (again referring to your recent Sept update...) please tell us what you think you mean by core audience in THIS post, which of course may change as any number of your pillars has.

[soarra]

Aym, on 28 August 2013 - 05:55 PM, said:

I voted yes but this is a farce. The idea that 12 person will satisfy your core audience (Founders) is laughable on it's face. Furthermore this contradicts the statement in the sept update that says your core audience is thrilled with your recent changes, which is also laughable on it's face. Please, PLEASE, explain what you think your core audience is. Or if you don't want to be TOO specific (again referring to your recent Sept update...) please tell us what you think you mean by core audience in THIS post, which of course may change as any number of your pillars has.

don't vote it's a bias poll that will just let them get away with mixed queues for anything except 1pv.

[Aym]

No, absolutely no. 1PV mixed with 3PV as a design pillar of Pub matches is absolutely unacceptable to THIS core demographic member.

[evlkenevl]

Can't vote, no choice I can agree with. Unless I played only during peak hours, I would never be able to use 1pv-only. Also, if my unit already had some 12s running, I still couldn't use it.

Seriously, why keep defending 3pv? Most are opposed to it and believe they have good reason to be. It's causing a lot of bad blood. If something like this is so necessary, what's next? Power-ups all over the map? Then we get told they don't affect gameplay?

I won't play in matches where 3pv is available.

[InMidnightClad]

While I don't think it's a perfect solution, and I think the multi week time to implement it is too long. I sincerely believe that this is the first step to getting back into our wallets/ good graces, and the the right move on your part.

[QuantumButler]

Yet another PGI bait and switch.

The truth of the matter is 3rd person should never have existed in the first place and I bitterly regret my founder pack purchase.

[Lagfest]

A nice idea, It has no bearing on me tho. I don't play 12 V 12 que. its Pugs or small groups.

I like that you are trying to address the advantage of it, just need to go a bit farther.

[Dapper_]

I fail to see how 3rd person is an issue. Who cares if they said something else earlier? The game isn't released (and even if it was it's an MMO) and things are subject to change.

I only use 1st Person and have used 3rd person for 1 game. 3rd person made me play worse and put me at a disadvantage....so what's the issue?

[ClanKiller]

I won't vote in this pole. The way to help the new players is:

1. Proper match-making, so they don't get marauded by far superior players / builds.

2: Proper tutorials that help them learn the game the way it is meant to be played, first person.

[Aym]

Deleted my vote to re-enforce the opinion that this is a HORRIBLE solution to an easily solved problem. Stick to your guns for ONCE in the ENTIRE development cycle of MWO and give us separate queues. IF 3PV is so great you should have plenty of people populating both queues.

[StandingCow]

Silent, on 28 August 2013 - 10:58 AM, said:

You don't listen to community polls anyway so why should I bother voting?

Get lost.

I found that interesting... they ignore us and our polls and call us the silent minority... yet they start a poll and ask what we think?

[BadOptics]

Glad I got my overlord refund. Gonna do some "voting" with that $80.

[soarra]

StandingCow, on 28 August 2013 - 06:06 PM, said:

I found that interesting... they ignore us and our polls and call us the silent minority... yet they start a poll and ask what we think?

makes perfect business sense

[Sahoj]

I voted Yes because it seems like a reasonable option via the knowledge I have available (Very little). It is admittedly an ignorant decision.

I don't have enough info as a player to push strongly towards a split queue because I don't know that the community is able to handle it size wise.

The microtransaction/F2P model they're using seems to be massively dependent on bringing in new users especially when a large portion of the 'core' community has simply run out of stuff worth buying. We have enough mechs, cbills, XP and bays/paint schemes.

This poll seems like an absolute waste of time. I would rather see more information about UI 2.0, Community Warfare and some bloody-knuckled hard work on improving the new user experience. I've met new pilots who play their entire Cadet experience (25 matches) without seeing one victory.

Also - Give me something worth writing off $10-15 a month on this game and calling it a day instead of an odd mechbay, XP conversion or paint scheme that I don't need anymore.

[Puppeteerxerxes]

Can't vote either. At least needs an "other" option. I play a pretty consistent 4 man team excited to get in on CW. We are not planning on expanding quickly to be able to field a 12 man team right now.

Even so, I'd like the option to play in 1PV only as a 4 man or PUG. Haven't asked to refund my phoenix package, but definitely not buying the sabre reinforcements until 1PV only queues are in. Probably won't by any more MC than needed for upcoming CW stuff.