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[SiDheBRX]

I voted yes, but mainly because I fear that we lose players in the 12vs12pre queues otherwise.

Personally, I don't care. 3PV for experienced players is good for intel only, not for performance in terms of kills.

I've not seen in used in the drops I participated in, on either side by the way.

If competitive players feel like "dishonoring" themselves by switching into 3PV for better intel 12vs12pre, or what could be perceived an unfair advantage in this regard, go ahead, challenge accepted.

[Tragos]

Since it is most valuable for coordinated teams I am fine with this. The difference in PUG drops is quite small - for 12vs12 it was huge.

[Tolkien]

SiDheBRX, on 29 August 2013 - 02:41 AM, said:

I voted yes, but mainly because I fear that we lose players in the 12vs12pre queues otherwise.

Personally, I don't care. 3PV for experienced players is good for intel only, not for performance in terms of kills.

I've not seen in used in the drops I participated in, on either side by the way.

If competitive players feel like "dishonoring" themselves by switching into 3PV for better intel 12vs12pre, or what could be perceived an unfair advantage in this regard, go ahead, challenge accepted.

I've seen it used plenty in frozen city night - little blinky things hovering near the crows nest and beside the dropship. Magically I then had a poptart know exactly where I was....

If you're against a 2, 3, or 4 man with voice comms you'll see much more of this before too long.

Edited by Tolkien, 29 August 2013 - 02:46 AM.

[Wolfways]

I wonder how many of those 800+ yes votes are by people who haven't read carefully

I hope that someone, anyone from PGI reads this thread instead of just looking at the numbers...but it's a dying hope...

[Gryphorim]

I'm voting yes, but I want to see a 1pv only mode for PUGs as well, I typically run in a group of, on average, 7 and all of us want to play matches in a 1pv only mode. Not because we have any problem with 3pv, it's a handy training aid for the testing grounds. It's more the way this whole fiasco has been handled. Hopefully PGI comes to realise it's the "hardcore crowd" who fight in whatever sized groups they can put together, who will keep this game from being a flash in the pan.

[Jay Corbett]

You've refused refunds to a lot of people already, so you're likely to be receiving numerous complains from the Competition Bureau over this issue, and now you dangle a useless carrot in the hopes it'll get you off the hook. You've lied, defrauded thousands of people and lost all trust in the community.

1st person should be THE WHOLE GAME. 3rd person should be REMOVED.
(yes I like CAPS)

Issue refunds, or take 3rd person out of the game entirely. Those are your only choices.

[Uncleclint]

Oh and before i forget this, You should let us know what the game structure will be like with CW before You let us vote on this.
Anyways, still a strange Poll where you don´t know what will happen* if you vote for either of the 2 opinions.

edit: * of course we all know what will happen, don´t we? It´s too obvious, c´mon admit it ;-)

Edited by HAS UncleClint, 29 August 2013 - 03:17 AM.

[FenrisWard]

Ihope a Hardcore Mode will be a Option if enough Players are there. Until that this 12vs12 is a kompromis i can Life with. If we can count on IT that we have the 1st Person only 12 vs 12 i cant wait to buy the New Phoenix Pack with wolverine and Griffen.

[Commodus]

Bryan Ekman, on 28 August 2013 - 10:21 AM, said:

Proposal: Limit 12 v 12 pre-made group matches to 1PV only.
Release Date: Mid to Late September

Details: 12 man pre-made group matches will have 1PV enforced as the only useable view mode. Players will not be able to switch between 1PV and 3PV when playing in 12 v 12 pre-made match play.

This gives our core audience, who represent almost exclusively the 12 man team group play, a place to enjoy a pure 1PV experience.

The public queues will remain a mix of 1PV and 3PV modes and Hardcore mode will be removed from the drop down list. Future enhancements to the matchmaker will allow stricter tonnage limits, and encourage a more fair and level playing field for all MWO matches.

This would make me happy. No problem with 3PV in public queues. The 1PV In competetive 12 vs 12 games and CW would be enough.

[JuiceKeeper]

didnt voted becouse honestly we were promised we will never be mixed in a 1st place personaly i am not part of any group been but it falled apart as usual and am not jumping into another one just becouse i can play 1pv only there.... I personaly dont mind 3pv but i dont want to be forced to play against people which are using it and i dont want to be forced to search teamspeak for 12 man group to play 1pv only thats quite lame.........
U promised us separate queus and now u backing from it as usual its discusting, now i understand why u made founders so angry.... personaly this ****** me off really badly forcing people to group just to play game how they want to.... LOL this i think so far never happened in pc game at least not in any which i played so far

Edited by JuiceKeeper, 29 August 2013 - 04:10 AM.

[Oriius]

I would love to be part of a 12v12 team, however, until CW is out there is currently little point to being in such, also Not everyone has the time to join such a group.

Allow me to quote the recent September Creative Developer Update.

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What an August! We released some really big features in 12v12 and 3PV: Both have been a great success and delivered on our goals of adding more action, tactics, and deeper gameplay (12v12), while continuing to make the game appeal to a broader audience of gamers (3PV). After releasing 3PV we saw an immediate improvement in our target demographic, with a good bump in new player retention!

We continue to see a steady increase in online players, with more new MechWarriors joining us every day. Registrations continue to be strong with a very nice increase during the month of August. Our Phoenix program was a big success and we’re very excited to deliver the Phoenix `Mechs in October!

If this is true, and things are looking up, why is this poll even here?
In fact if numbers are up, could you not even test a split queue?

All I can do is beg that you start to be honest and transparent with us, please communicate, let us in, let us see why you are doing these things. People here can be reactionary yes, but past that people are not stupid, and might even have some good ideas to help.

Edited by Oriius, 29 August 2013 - 04:04 AM.

[EvangelionUnit]

Wolfways, on 29 August 2013 - 02:47 AM, said:

I wonder how many of those 800+ yes votes are by people who haven't read carefully

I hope that someone, anyone from PGI reads this thread instead of just looking at the numbers...but it's a dying hope...

ah i deleted my vote
but i think that's not going to change anything wrong with the game
at least i've done my part

[Wolfways]

EvangelionUnit, on 29 August 2013 - 04:04 AM, said:

ah i deleted my vote
but i think that's not going to change anything wrong with the game
at least i've done my part

Every little helps.
You're welcome to vote on the poll made by Soarra (link in my sig)

[employee24601]

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Panboy, on 28 August 2013 - 10:55 AM, said:

id still like to have the option to solo drop in first person only, It can be hard to get 12 mans together, But I still want to play the game as it was advertised.

This. DON'T remove the 1PV-only option for solo drops!

[EvangelionUnit]

Wolfways, on 29 August 2013 - 04:09 AM, said:

Every little helps.
You're welcome to vote on the poll made by Soarra (link in my sig)

i have allready done this hehe
the /mwog/ folks pointed out this vote was resetted by some mods

[RG Notch]

Oh well, so much for getting people not to vote. Just remember for the folks who voted yes but think this is a temporary measure, you've helped kill the split queues and given PGI the chance to say that you asked for it. There's really nothing else to say. If you have no reservations about killing the split queues to at least have 1PV somewhere, than good for you, because that's exactly what you'll get. 1PV in only one place. If you imagine this is a temporary arrangement, well if you have money left after your Saber purchase I have a bridge you might be interested in.
Once again if PIG would deign to communicate with it's "core" maybe this could be cleared up, but as I said their vow to communicate better apparently was just their position at the time.

[Naotaka]

SiDheBRX, on 29 August 2013 - 02:41 AM, said:

If competitive players feel like "dishonoring" themselves by switching into 3PV for better intel 12vs12pre, or what could be perceived an unfair advantage in this regard, go ahead, challenge accepted.

Do you mean those same players who complained PPCs were too good and en-masse utilized them? Honourable indeed .

[Hatachi]

I voted yes, but the vote is a bit loaded. I DO still want the hardcore queue. I want nothing to do with 3rd person view. I don't always have time for 12 v 12 matches, but it doesn't mean I want my free time matches diminished by a mode I don't want to participate in.

[Faithsfall]

RG Notch, on 29 August 2013 - 04:33 AM, said:

Oh well, so much for getting people not to vote. Just remember for the folks who voted yes but think this is a temporary measure, you've helped kill the split queues and given PGI the chance to say that you asked for it. There's really nothing else to say. If you have no reservations about killing the split queues to at least have 1PV somewhere, than good for you, because that's exactly what you'll get. 1PV in only one place. If you imagine this is a temporary arrangement, well if you have money left after your Saber purchase I have a bridge you might be interested in.
Once again if PIG would deign to communicate with it's "core" maybe this could be cleared up, but as I said their vow to communicate better apparently was just their position at the time.

Unfortunatly i agree with you, once this is implemented then there will be a statement from PGI in their next update stating that yes we do listen to the community see we did this for 12v12, and those still not wishing 3PV in their que are obviously the vocal minority and are definatly on an island.

[Tolkien]

Naotaka, on 29 August 2013 - 04:37 AM, said:

Do you mean those same players who complained PPCs were too good and en-masse utilized them? Honourable indeed .

It makes me feel bad to say it but "don't hate the player, hate the game".

If red paint was an advantage, players would exploit it. That's just the nature of competitive play and it's the task of the developers to keep it in check.

With 1pv 3pv it's a situational advantage that the vast majority don't want used against them, and don't want to have to use against others. Mix that with the taking 5 million dollars from sim fans to make a 1pv simulation game followed by lies about not forcing 1pv and 3pv players to compete with each other if they didn't want to and you get the current situation.

So yeah, don't hate the players that exploit mechanics, encourage the devs to fix the exploitable mechanics.