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[SIERRA 116]

Will9761, on 06 September 2013 - 06:56 PM, said:

To be honest, as much as I like the Saber package. If those mechs where a part of the Phoenix package, I'd ditch the Wolvie and Griff for these in a heartbeat.

(Different colors would be a nice little touch, but that's just me.)

You can forget about the Marauders, Warhammer and Rifleman... they won't be included in this game... ever. Too many legal issues.

[ToWcH]

PGI, you are bad people. My resolve has been shattered I just bought the OVERLORD 20mins ago now this.
You win, here you go...my $30
<(._.<)

[Heffay]

SIERRA 116, on 04 October 2013 - 01:33 AM, said:

You can forget about the Marauders, Warhammer and Rifleman... they won't be included in this game... ever. Too many legal issues.

A lot of people thought that about the current set of unseen/reseen mechs. When you start throwing money at license holders, they start becoming cooperative.

"I can make roughly $0.00 by keeping my IP locked up, or I can make paper sailor moneyhats if I take a cut of their sales..."



"Ahoy, matey! Pass ye old' feathered quill and that there inkpot good sir!"

(sorry, I couldn't find a proper pirate hat made of monies)

[DirePhoenix]

Heffay, on 04 October 2013 - 06:32 AM, said:

A lot of people thought that about the current set of unseen/reseen mechs. When you start throwing money at license holders, they start becoming cooperative.

"I can make roughly $0.00 by keeping my IP locked up, or I can make paper sailor moneyhats if I take a cut of their sales..."



"Ahoy, matey! Pass ye old' feathered quill and that there inkpot good sir!"

(sorry, I couldn't find a proper pirate hat made of monies)

Except this is NOT what happened with these Phoenix 'Mechs at all. No one is getting paid any licensing fees for PGI's creations of these 'mechs (unless someone licenses them from PGI). There was never even an issue with using the Dougram/Crusher Joe designs. FASA took them down because if Harmony Gold was going to bring lawsuits over licensed art, they might as well take those down as well because the people in charge of Dougram/Crusher Joe could also bring lawsuits if they wanted to (but they never did).

PGI did what was right: they created new designs. Catalyst Games also created their own designs for these 'mechs that are perfectly legal for them to use (TEN YEARS AGO), but everyone keeps trying to ignore that. Mostly because the art in 2003's Technical Readout: Project Phoenix was horrible, but they can still use those designs as a launching point to make new iterations from with better artists instead of trying to rehash old licensed art that someone else made for an entirely different purpose.

[LiGhtningFF13]

... I will paint my Griffin black, thats for sure guys!

[Ensaine]

Cimarb, on 02 October 2013 - 11:52 AM, said:

EDIT OUT Blah Blah <snip>..........then you obviously didn't put much thought into the purchase ahead of time...

I DEFINITELY did not put much thought into my purchase......YOU got me. You also like bare bones pseudo games then. The Mechwarrior in this game is a veneer.......nothing more.

[DirePhoenix]

LiGhtning90, on 04 October 2013 - 09:54 AM, said:

... I will paint my Griffin black, thats for sure guys!

...wow, that model kit is posted on eBay for $98.00 US

[stinkypuppy]

SIERRA 116, on 04 October 2013 - 01:33 AM, said:

You can forget about the Marauders, Warhammer and Rifleman... they won't be included in this game... ever. Too many legal issues.

i can think of legal redesigns for most of those in my head but the massive bent legs, overhead cannon, and large arm cannons of the marauder are just too strange in a way that really makes it basically impossible to remake without it being illegal.

[Flying Blind]

Boo ya! We got flame pattern!

[Alaskan Nobody]

LiGhtning90, on 04 October 2013 - 09:54 AM, said:

... I will paint my Griffin black, thats for sure guys!

Call it Skandranon?

[Ngamok]

Flying Blind, on 04 October 2013 - 01:07 PM, said:

Boo ya! We got flame pattern!

GG everybody. Let's see everyone on the 15th !

[DirePhoenix]

stinkypuppy, on 04 October 2013 - 12:52 PM, said:

i can think of legal redesigns for most of those in my head but the massive bent legs, overhead cannon, and large arm cannons of the marauder are just too strange in a way that really makes it basically impossible to remake without it being illegal.

This has been a legal image to use for the Marauder for over a decade now:



Mind you, it's not as pretty as the Macross image, but I blame most of that on the artist, not the design. Here's what that same design looks like when handled by a better artist (FD):



EDIT: Keep in mind, both of these designs are still technically off-limits to MWO, because Battletech images in print media are owned by Topps, Inc. (and licensed to Catalyst Games for sourcebooks and other items). Topps is not licensing to PGI, so PGI has to create all of its own unique art (even if it has an artist that also has done work for the print media). But still, there is probably an infinitely smaller issue with making a Marauder that is based on this design rather than the Macross design.

Edited by DirePhoenix, 04 October 2013 - 04:15 PM.

[Monsoon]

Mason Grimm, on 26 September 2013 - 08:57 AM, said:

Just be glad you don't have OCD like me. Each of my 20 mechs has its own engine (either STD or XL) and its own set of modules, weapons and equipment. I'm space poor this week.

LoL, I use to be a 'completionist' in other games. Thankfully, I think I've outgrown that need.

[C E Dwyer]

Mason Grimm, on 26 September 2013 - 08:57 AM, said:

Just be glad you don't have OCD like me. Each of my 20 mechs has its own engine (either STD or XL) and its own set of modules, weapons and equipment. I'm space poor this week.

all mine have their own engine and equipement thougt about switching but with the current ui its a pain flicking though 73 mechs to find the one with the right engine..modules though are few and far between..

[C E Dwyer]

DirePhoenix, on 04 October 2013 - 12:38 PM, said:

...wow, that model kit is posted on eBay for $98.00 US

I had the small trio from that series, I think it was the battle tech packaged ones though battle master, griffin, and the third escapes me

[DirePhoenix]

Cathy, on 04 October 2013 - 04:15 PM, said:

I had the small trio from that series, I think it was the battle tech packaged ones though battle master, griffin, and the third escapes me

Somewhere I still have the ShadowHawk from that series, painted silver.

[Alex Novian]

DirePhoenix, on 04 October 2013 - 12:38 PM, said:

...wow, that model kit is posted on eBay for $98.00 US

And worth every bit of it for those with the Ral Parth Battletech personel minis, the Scale is almost perfect to bring Large table top terrain constructs to life.

[Cimarb]

DirePhoenix, on 04 October 2013 - 04:05 PM, said:

This has been a legal image to use for the Marauder for over a decade now:

<snip images for space>

Mind you, it's not as pretty as the Macross image, but I blame most of that on the artist, not the design. Here's what that same design looks like when handled by a better artist (FD):



EDIT: Keep in mind, both of these designs are still technically off-limits to MWO, because Battletech images in print media are owned by Topps, Inc. (and licensed to Catalyst Games for sourcebooks and other items). Topps is not licensing to PGI, so PGI has to create all of its own unique art (even if it has an artist that also has done work for the print media). But still, there is probably an infinitely smaller issue with making a Marauder that is based on this design rather than the Macross design.

If you create something similar to an existing trademark, and call it the same thing, that is infringing on the trademark. If I make my own McDonald's logo, and call it a McDonald's, do you really think the fact that I created it myself matters?...

They can get away with it how they did the Firebrand/Rifleman, though - that is how they would have to handle the Marauder too, more than likely.

[Flying Judgement]

so will there be any forth phase?
Im sure most of us love to try unlocking those too

[Flying Judgement]

Cimarb, on 04 October 2013 - 05:25 PM, said:

If you create something similar to an existing trademark, and call it the same thing, that is infringing on the trademark. If I make my own McDonald's logo, and call it a McDonald's, do you really think the fact that I created it myself matters?...

They can get away with it how they did the Firebrand/Rifleman, though - that is how they would have to handle the Marauder too, more than likely.

but if u try to copy KFC u can change it to PFC
and make the same food but add lets see 1 teaspoon of chilly to every product than you are good to go
KFC is dieing out in London but the FFC, PFC, SFC and the likes are blooming all over the place.