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[dangerzone]

mint frog, on 13 October 2013 - 07:20 PM, said:

Is that the royal we?

Because if I recall correctly, ~90% of players didn't want it 3PV at all. Getting it limited to pub drops is like finally getting asked to the dance but by the 2nd ugliest guy in the school rather than the 1st.

----You all seem sad...I'm going to (try to) cheer you all up---

mr. frog, I need some froggy mints please. My breath smells like alcohol from last night. I'll grab em on a flyby in my f14.

Okay, that was a colossal failure. I'll be going now. Cya

Wait...I gotta fit in here. Must blend into society. One moment.

"PGI has done no wrong"
"PGI is doing the best they can, and your negative comments are why they do not check the forums as much"
"PGI is doing better communication now and that restores my faith in this game a bit" <---I like this one
"PGI has ruined the game I wanted and I'm mad for them not doing what I think MWO should be"
"PGI lied about 3PV not being in game"
"PGI is a small developer group and this is their first huge game! Cut them some slack!"
"Slack? Do you want to give them the entire ******* rope?"
"Hey guys! Stop whining! If you do not like the game, then leave."
"Please increase c-bill earnings or do double c-bills weekends..."
"Hey, PGI, when is UI 2.nevercoming coming out?"
"I want my madkitty and my kingcrab!!!!!"
"Guys, it's in beta, it'll all be fixed!"
"3PV is not that game breaking I think..."
"Ghost heat ruined builds that were not even an issue and make the game harder for new players"
"I'm going to give **** metacritic reviews on MWO because I am irrationally upset!"
"I'm a founder damnit! Promise me what you told me your core pillars were!"

Okay, I think I also just summed up the forums quite nicely....hehe. (Tried to get common phrases said by both sides of the mechwarrior spectrum...did I do good?) Sorry, just woke up really early with a slight hangover and I am not sure why I am even on the forums this early smh...


EDIT: Oh look, my 88th post! Back to the future I go!!

Edited by dangerzone, 14 October 2013 - 03:59 AM.

[Jakob Knight]

Heffay, on 13 October 2013 - 07:06 PM, said:

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It's already like that. If you're running private matches (currently by sync dropping), there is no 3PV.

I would guess that once they give us the ability to actually schedule private matches, they will either be all 1PV (as per the current system), or user selected. Most likely all 12 mans (CW, private matches, etc) will be 1PV only. Just like we wanted.

Of course, if I remember right, you will have to pay real money for any Private Matches (unless there was a change I missed), so it becomes a moot point if players are being held ransom if they want PGI to uphold their promises.

We wanted, and were promised multiple times, that we would not have to use or be forced to play in games featuring 3PV, and that there would be seperate queues for 1PV and 3PV so people could elect how they wanted to play MWO without the friction and hatred that the issue generated (and has only been magnified by its implementation). Until that is what we have, in all games that are not tutorial in nature, the Devs have not given us either 'what we wanted' or 'what they promised', and everything they say is only as 'official' as anyone posting here (probably less so, since it's probable few people posting here have violated their promises to the rest of the playerbase).

To be quite blunt here, I am a member of one of the largest units playing this game, and hate 3PV with a passion (not in a small way for what it represents about the people making this game rather than for its impact). Yet, I have yet to be able to be in a game where I am not forced to endure it's use by my team or against it. So, as far as I can tell, this ability to play in 3PV-free games is just smoke and mirrors.

Edited by Jakob Knight, 14 October 2013 - 08:56 AM.

[AdamBaines]

This Whole Thread, on 14 October 2013 - 08:55 AM, said:

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[Silent]

AdamBaines, on 14 October 2013 - 09:32 AM, said:

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Good post I'm gonna give you a Like

[Sandpit]

Silent, on 14 October 2013 - 09:33 AM, said:

Good post I'm gonna give you a Like

I'm giving you a like just because of the irony in your name and that you posted. lol

Ok folks, bottom line:

Some people are not happy, some are content, and some are happy. If you're happy, play the game and don't worry about whether or not I enjoy it. If your'e content, play the game and don't worry about whether I enjoy it or not. If you're not happy then play or don't play the game, post your reasons in a constructive manner.

If you're happy or content and post why that is, do it constructively.

All 3 groups need to stop making it into personal attacks on each other and the company.

[Jakob Knight]

Sandpit, on 14 October 2013 - 09:44 AM, said:

I'm giving you a like just because of the irony in your name and that you posted. lol

Ok folks, bottom line:

Some people are not happy, some are content, and some are happy. If you're happy, play the game and don't worry about whether or not I enjoy it. If your'e content, play the game and don't worry about whether I enjoy it or not. If you're not happy then play or don't play the game, post your reasons in a constructive manner.

If you're happy or content and post why that is, do it constructively.

All 3 groups need to stop making it into personal attacks on each other and the company.

I agree that personal attacks on each other here is never going to accomplish anything. The issues are what need to be discussed and mulled over, though erroneous information or attempts by some to issue such information in the hope it will become accepted as true do have to be countered when they occur. Personal attacks within a discussion are the weapons of a person who has realized they can't refute a point and are seeking a distraction from that fact.


On the other hand, there are times when the conduct of the company must be attacked, and rightfully so. Just being a company does not grant a pass on ethics, and when individuals hide their conduct behind the corporate identity, then the company itself must be questioned. This is necessary because the company does not hold discussions, but instead forces its own viewpoints on everyone else. This places the company in a different position than the playerbase in these forums, as they are not interested in listening to the other side, only their own. It's also hard to find fault with attacking the company when they are so determined to earn such attacks.

Edited by Jakob Knight, 14 October 2013 - 01:36 PM.

[Heffay]

Jakob Knight, on 14 October 2013 - 10:44 AM, said:

Even if it is only stating the truth.

In your opinion, of course.

[Jakob Knight]

Heffay, on 14 October 2013 - 10:50 AM, said:

In your opinion, of course.

Opinion is opinion until verifiable by logical means. Then it becomes fact. Everyone has their own opinion, but facts stand independent of personal opinion.

[Aegic]

Im not angry

[Thano]

Tycho von Gagern, on 13 October 2013 - 01:09 PM, said:

I see now that this is the place for people who feel like they are doing something positive by complaining about PGI and it's developers. I'm sorry, I don't agree. I posted my opinions and I feel they are reasonable. If you think PGI has broken the game, you should go. I like ghost-heat; I think it worked in that it drastically reduced the stupid-alpha sniper builds that were ruining the game. I don't care about 3pv or whatever PGI said about 3pv before they changed their mind. I have never lost a match to anyone and thought, "Well, I'd have won if it weren't for 3pv!" and even if I did, that's the game PGI made, so if I'm going to keep playing, I need to get good at that game.

You don't like them for... reasons. It doesn't matter how good a case you make or how many times you call PGI and the players around you who disagree "idiots." You. Didn't. Get. Your. Way. And PGI didn't do anything wrong by not doing it the way you wanted it done.

Of course, you can always grief-troll (which is what many do) trying to sabotage the game and the community because others are enjoying something they are determined to be irrationally upset about. All I'm saying is don't do that. This is the definition of "first-world problem." If a f2p game is upsetting you so much that you would rather hang around and make others as upset as you, step away. Take a break. Use the time you spend playing a game you think is bad and saying ugly things about the people who made this game and the people who enjoy it to sponsor a little-league team or volunteer at a homeless shelter for a while. When you come back to your computer, promise yourself you will only play games you enjoy.

And if you find this sort of troll-behavior happening over and over, open yourself to at least the possibility that the problem has to do with you cherishing your grief more than just having fun playing a game, and get help. Life's too short, you know?

Take me, for example. As I said before, I realize this is the thread for people to complain that PGI is terribad and they love the game so much that it should be exactly the way they say it should be. If PGI doesn't do that, they're stupid, and the game will (and should) fail.

This isn't fun for me to listen to or make sense of. Since I'm not getting paid to be here, I'm going to leave now.

It's just that simple.

Trust me pally I would leave if they would refund the money I spent before they broke their promise. SInce they wont I will still be around voicing my opinion

[Alaskan Nobody]

Thano, on 05 November 2013 - 10:55 PM, said:

Trust me pally I would leave if they would refund the money I spent before they broke their promise. SInce they wont I will still be around voicing my opinion

In other words you are little more (still more, but only little more) than a troll.
They are under no legal obligation to return your money to you - at any time for any reason.
Or did you not read the EULA?

[Heffay]

Thano, on 05 November 2013 - 10:55 PM, said:

Trust me pally I would leave if they would refund the money I spent before they broke their promise. SInce they wont I will still be around voicing my opinion

Still playing then?

[Chronojam]

Shar Wolf, on 07 November 2013 - 12:49 PM, said:

In other words you are little more (still more, but only little more) than a troll.
They are under no legal obligation to return your money to you - at any time for any reason.
Or did you not read the EULA?

An EULA is not a legal obligation nor does it have standing in a court of law.

[Tombstoner]

Chronojam, on 07 November 2013 - 02:22 PM, said:

An EULA is not a legal obligation nor does it have standing in a court of law.

ooo i would love to see you challenge that in court. its a licensing agreement... that's a contract. it's enforceable

[Darth Futuza]

Besides...if you really want to protest isn't the best option to just leave?

[Chronojam]

Tombstoner, on 07 November 2013 - 02:42 PM, said:

ooo i would love to see you challenge that in court. its a licensing agreement... that's a contract. it's enforceable

If it's a true licensing agreement between, say, Microsoft and your company, then you might have a reason to feel the terms will stand up. Your typical software EULA for whatever game you're into won't. License agreements included at install-time or patch-time are also in a dubious position as you, the consumer, would not have understood the terms prior to purchase. While some terms of use are established under pre-existing law or precedent, a EULA itself (and thus anything tossed into a EULA) is not automatically enforceable or even guaranteed to be legal, especially as jurisdictions vary in their treatment of such language.

For example, several digital-download EULAs have claimed you do not own the rights to re-sell your copy or the license, but this language was explicitly dismissed by EU courts in a recent high profile case. Some software might include a EULA that precludes you from bringing a lawsuit against the company, but in several circumstances and jurisdictions that language is unenforceable.

A EULA isn't magic to let anything go.

[Silent]

Darth Futuza, on 07 November 2013 - 03:31 PM, said:

Besides...if you really want to protest isn't the best option to just leave?

If you love the game so much why don't you just shut up about it and play instead of coming on the forums trying to defend it.

Edited by Silent, 07 November 2013 - 06:52 PM.

[Alpha087]

I stopped reading the article when the author started getting into Coolant Flush and clearly had no idea what he was talking about.

[RG Notch]

Tombstoner, on 07 November 2013 - 02:42 PM, said:

ooo i would love to see you challenge that in court. its a licensing agreement... that's a contract. it's enforceable

LOL EULA have been challenged and beaten in numerous courts. Thank God for people like you, without whom corporations couldn't run rough shod over the ill informed. OOOOH It's a binding contract lol. May you folk always remain ignorant so people like me can make a great living.

[Heffay]

RG Notch, on 07 November 2013 - 06:58 PM, said:

LOL EULA have been challenged and beaten in numerous courts. Thank God for people like you, without whom corporations couldn't run rough shod over the ill informed. OOOOH It's a binding contract lol. May you folk always remain ignorant so people like me can make a great living.

Have fun spending $10k in legal fees to get back $120.