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[Al Bert]

Kay Wolf, on 19 September 2013 - 04:01 PM, said:

[...]
1) It doesn't matter how long or loud we scream, how many thousands of posts there are that denigrate our hosts, who were never required to build this game, and I'm simply sick and tired of trying to get blood from a stone;

2) PGI are not responsible for building or controlling this community, we have to be, the players. Likewise, we are not responsible for PGI, how they build this game, and if we put money into the game, we are responsible for what we've spent, not what they do with the game. If we don't like the game, we stop spending on the game, go and do something else. So, yelling and screaming aren't doing any good; so we have to determine whether or not we're going to support this game. After what I heard in the three-hour interview with Bryan Ekman, NGNG Podcast 88, I'm going to support this game.
[...]

THIS. Thanks, Kay Wolf, I do agree with every single word of yours - in particular the above quoted points should sink in everybodys mind before posting here.

Edited by Al Bert, 19 September 2013 - 10:44 PM.

[Sir Roland MXIII]

TargetLoc, thanks for hitting the nail on the head, man. Just goes to show how completely bats**t PGI is for p*****g off this particular community so regularly, so thoroughly, and so carelessly.

mint frog, on 19 September 2013 - 10:32 PM, said:

This is a lazy and nonsensical argument.

Well, considering the source of the argument that's more work and thought than this particular PGI-defense troll usually exhibits.

Edited by Sir Roland MXIII, 19 September 2013 - 10:45 PM.

[Sarakhan]

Hello .

I am no founder but i have pent about 120 dollars in this game and i am playing on and off since Closed Beta with varying frequencies .

I agree that this game is missing key parts of what is the full vision that the fans and the devs have for it. I read the forums everyday and if i judged from that noone actually plays the game or the ones that do whine all the time . I have seen washes 12-2 i have seen really close games going to time. When people work together it works when not it doesnt .

Where i dont agree is all the doom and gloom and the personal attacks against the Devs . From what i understand they are a small company of 50 people 40 developers 10 administrators trying to make a MP online game. It will take time but we will get there and i am saying that not cause i want to defend them but because the game IS better after a year.

One example. Now the setups i see is Long Range WITH short range weapons and some people are whining because you see the same kind of setups? i mean what is the deal here? Its bad one way its bad the other?

Yes their communications sucks and they need to be better but we dont know what happens in their company. We dont know their hours we dont know the problems they had with the engine WE DONT KNOW. If the game continues to get better they will have my support . If not i will give my money elsewhere . That simple.

Thanks for your time .

[Gaan Cathal]

Colonel Pada Vinson, on 19 September 2013 - 09:33 PM, said:

And if we listened to you - no one would be posting on these forums, no matches could be found, and...hmmm...why are you still here if it's all so bad as you claim?

It's getting harder and harder...

[Corvus Antaka]

mint frog, on 19 September 2013 - 10:40 PM, said:

Since we can't legally make the mech game we want, your point is nonsensical and foolish from square one.

This is where you recover what is left of your dignity and step out of the conversation.

This is where you stop making excuses and go make your own mech game. otherwise I take it you are suggesting that you can't do so.

PGI beat you to the btech IP. you either learn to live with it and play the game they are making, or you leave and make your own "hawken" type shooter.

This is where you leave the game if it sucks, or start playing and stop complaining if you can't seem to leave despite all the flaws you keep screaming about.

[qki]

VshadowPR, on 19 September 2013 - 04:54 AM, said:

Hawken and War Thunder.

Starcraft.


Your point?

[DemonRaziel]

Kay Wolf, on 19 September 2013 - 04:01 PM, said:

However, what good does it do when the naysayers want to scream out-loud all the time and fail to listen for anything? You good people seem to believe that I'm not dismayed by the lack of completion I've seen; I'm there with you, believe you-me. But, I've finally realized two things...

1) It doesn't matter how long or loud we scream, how many thousands of posts there are that denigrate our hosts, who were never required to build this game, and I'm simply sick and tired of trying to get blood from a stone;

...

Look, I'm honestly not making excuses for PGI, because I fell they're behind the cart at this point, as well. However, again, it does me absolutely no good whatsoever to get my blood pressure up over something I have utterly no control over.

This I agree with. I have already realized, that no matter what you, I or anyone else post on these forums, or in a user review or whatnot, will not change the direction of this game or affect the decision making of the devs.

Now matter how controversial a decision they make, there will be some support and if they hold on to it long enough, the flames will eventually die out (or at least weaken enough so they no longer have to care about them).

And while they didn't deliver on pretty much anything, that was initially advertised and expected by many, it still seems it's working for them - many players (including some founders and long term players) still play and even invest money into this game.

Kay Wolf, on 19 September 2013 - 04:01 PM, said:

Bryan Ekman, in Podcast 88 for NGNG said he was going to be giving a live update on the development of this game on the 26th. If this does not happen, then it will be a sure sign, I believe, that PGI are having a huge problem, and that may be the end for me; however, I don't believe that's going to happen, I believe we're going to get an update that's going to excite us, reignite our dreams for this game. I don't that's {Noble MechWarrior}, at all, I think that's cautious optimism.

My optimism (towards this game) is long gone and unless something exceptionally positive will be said on the 26th, I will most likely rebuff all the news as more empty promises and deadlines to be missed.

I am fairly certain the developer and/or publisher has decided to go for the minimum viable product and as long as it continues to be a cow they can milk, which it does, they will have literlly no incentive to change their direction.

I've decided to accept the game for what it is, because nothing I do can change it - a repetitive arena game w/out any depth to gameplay or even a semblance of endgame. It still is somewhat entertaining, especially when you are playing with some friends. I grind my teeth and play with my unit, albeit with a closed wallet.

Edited by DemonRaziel, 20 September 2013 - 12:03 AM.

[Thuzel]

Colonel Pada Vinson, on 19 September 2013 - 09:28 PM, said:

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Nice try diverting though. Give some numbers or stop wasting time.

109.95

How's that for a number? That's how much direct revenue PGI has lost from me alone simply because they won't get their head out of their ***. I know it's not a lot of money but it's real and it's a loss. Regardless of how much other's have spent or will spend, PGI has directly lost that much money from me and possibly more in the future.

I don't care about 3pv. I don't care about ghost heat. I don't care about the PPC changes, or the movement changes. I just care that PGI utterly fails at communication. I care that out of the very few messages they do send out, a lot of them are colored with a serious lack of professionalism and are sometimes even disdainful.

All they've had to do was to send out a more positive message. Interact with us a bit more. Show maybe just a bit more respect for the input we've tried to given as a community (and despite what a lot of {Noble MechWarriors} would say, there has been a lot of genuinely good input given in these forums that has been completely ignored).

They don't have to change the game to meet my vision. They just have to draft a college-level memo that isn't full of {Scrap}. But so far, they haven't done that.

So 109.95. That's your number.

[Conan Librarian]

Colonel Pada Vinson, on 19 September 2013 - 10:21 PM, said:

Community that's unhappy should go make a mech game then. Still waiting.

They did, actually. Way before PGI even thought about making MWO, it's when MW:LL have already been winning awards from modding community. Fun part is, they actually did it for free, not "give-us-5-mill" F2P kind of thing.

Unfinished MW:LL provides better content and more MW feel than this. Too bad it couldn't have advertisement and resources of MWO, those guys would put that in way better use than PGI.


Awaiting this post to be moderated

Edited by Groovy4life, 20 September 2013 - 12:28 AM.

[Frenchtoastman]

Even though they didn't have enough finished to make a large patch for launch, it is odd and disappointing that they didn't make a bigger deal out of it via other previously mentioned methods (a jumble of sales and special in-game events).

I'm not convinced that missing one more deadline could be worse than launching without some CW action.

I'm crossing my fingers that a option-filled lobby comes along so I can play pure 1pv again. I hope they finally add in-game voip so I can pug&chat. I hope weapon balance and hit-detection get sorted out so I'll have an idea how rusty I've become. I want the mechanics to be intuitive, the tutorial to be clear, and MM functional so I'll have a growing playerbase to enjoy.

[Chronojam]

Colonel Pada Vinson, on 19 September 2013 - 09:33 PM, said:

And if we listened to you - no one would be posting on these forums, no matches could be found, and...hmmm...why are you still here if it's all so bad as you claim?

Why's that? Do you think Ghost Heat is the only thing keeping people playing the game? Do you think the reduced graphical fidelity is why people are coming back? You're making **** up like usual Panda.

Colonel Pada Vinson, on 19 September 2013 - 10:21 PM, said:

Community that's unhappy should go make a mech game then. Still waiting.

There's that old standby, "You can't criticize it if you couldn't do it yourself." The problem is that the last group that was making it themselves were more or less shoved out of the picture by a funded project that had lawyers and had snatched up the license, ensuring they are the only game in town.

Colonel Pada Vinson, on 19 September 2013 - 11:06 PM, said:

This is where you stop making excuses and go make your own mech game. otherwise I take it you are suggesting that you can't do so.

PGI beat you to the btech IP. you either learn to live with it and play the game they are making, or you leave and make your own "hawken" type shooter.

This is where you leave the game if it sucks, or start playing and stop complaining if you can't seem to leave despite all the flaws you keep screaming about.

Living Legends was literally in production up until MWO showed up. You are making things up. PGI did not beat them to the IP at all. Please stop making things up.

[Victor Morson]

Chronojam, on 20 September 2013 - 12:19 AM, said:

Living Legends was literally in production up until MWO showed up. You are making things up. PGI did not beat them to the IP at all. Please stop making things up.

Can you imagine if PGI had billed this as what Living Legends was? Air battles! Tanks! Mechs! Power armor! Fights in the vacuum of space, with dynamic temperatures! An array of Inner Sphere and Clan mechs! 16 vs 16 battles with maps big enough to support it!

... people would call them mad and it being "out of the realm of realistic possibility" with their whole team, funding, and publisher. Yet, Living Legends comes along and does all of that.. for free, with no funding. Meanwhile, PGI claims $88,000 per mech in costs.

Living Legends had three major flaws that kept it from greatness:
- Being a Crysis mod (very small install base)
- A lack of a no-respawn, set 'mech mode without community tweaking
- No Mechlab

Literally, had it been given these resources and rights and funding, we wouldn't be complaining the Airstrikes are hilariously terrible, we'd be having our 12v12 mech battles with full air, artillery and armor support.

Meanwhile, PGI can't manage to hire a flash guy capable of recoding a UI in nearly a year.

Edited by Victor Morson, 20 September 2013 - 12:40 AM.

[Karl Streiger]

Victor Morson, on 20 September 2013 - 12:39 AM, said:

Meanwhile, PGI can't manage to hire a flash guy capable of recoding a UI in nearly a year.

Did you read the CoC?

While I aprove that MWLL did some great things - it started initialy in 2006.
As said it used a "working" lobby system - and didn't need the addition of a MechLab or else - you expect that PGI - do the same in 2 years?

If MWLL would have been the project of a company that has to earn money - and also offer the infrastructure to play that game - well i don't think it would have been that kind of awesome.

At least we will never know.

I really ask you - stop instigate forum users. You have proven that you have problems to compare MWO with MWLL...
you can compare both games in 2 years.

Same goes for the comparing of WoT and MWO.... if MWO didn't have more features or game modes X-Mas 2014 - than you are right...its a complete fail....

Edited by Karl Streiger, 20 September 2013 - 01:07 AM.

[N0MAD]

Targetloc.
I am SJ_N0MAD, from clan Smoke Jaguar, Recruited by Khan XDOT, Khan of SJ in the GC league in MW2. Last active rank in MW4 was Khan.
You sir have the gift of the garb, if i could give your post 10 likes i would. Spot on.
Victor.
I agree with all you state, tho diplomacy doesn't seem your thing at times, but again, spot on.
SteelRat.
Your post is also spot on IMO, tho i goto say the game is probably not Fed UP.
Combat engine as you say is Decent, tweaking will improve it and we all know that takes times and really i have no prob with that.
Control over the game we play i Know is a big factor with the loss of alot of Vets. Why PGI refuses to provide a community system where we can communicate, organise and play the game how we chose within the bounds of what they provide bogles me and i know lots of others. We are not asking for game changes or saying they need to change this nerf that get rid of 3PV.
Do they beleive that a community lobby will compete with their CW or that it will split the player base?
Third party community activities will increase the player base and maintain it, proof of that is evident if you look at the time MW2-4 were alive spilling onto LL even to the present day.
Two decades, what other game can boast 2 decades of loyal fanbase and thats on the PC, It has an even older fanbase. This feat is ALL due to community projects, dont be scared of it, embrace it, use it.
Give us a lobby, let us play while we support your work.

Edited by N0MAD, 20 September 2013 - 12:59 AM.

[FlipOver]

Tarzilman, on 19 September 2013 - 05:52 PM, said:

It's getting so boring, reading the same stuff again and again.
The Black Knights keep saying the White Knights are wrong.
The White Knights keep saying the Black Knights are wrong.
I'm asking myself why the BK's are still here? Why not letting the WK's enjoy the game?[... words ...]

How can "we" prevent you from enjoying the game? "We" are on the forum not on the game. (unless the game are the forums, for you... which is a bit weird).

Rhetorical: Would you rather have "us" on the game blasting the teammates who are WK's? I mean, it would remove "us" from the forum, so would that make you enjoy the game a bit more?

But, in all seriousness, I ask you, why aren't you enjoying the game and here on the forums instead?


Don't get me wrong, you are an awesome entertainer and all, but what you said made sense only to those who can't tell where they end and PGI begins.

[Galen Crayn]

I think one of the main problems caused because of PGI`s decision to stay with No Guts No Galaxy - the Headquarter of the white knights. It was a bad and wrong decision. With them PGI allways believes that everything is great and that the others are on an island. PGI`S place should be here, the place for ALL informations should be HERE not on a 3rd parties website.

I think the NGNG guys will be the last ones playing MWO when all have gone and they will still think that everythings great and that the others are wrong...

Edited by Galen Crayn, 20 September 2013 - 01:15 AM.

[Karl Streiger]

Wait one - have painted my Mechs with a white toping and black feets does that means i'm a grey knight - or just the masters hand

[Varth Shenon]

Galen Crayn, on 20 September 2013 - 01:12 AM, said:

I think one of the main problems caused because of PGI`s decision to stay with No Guts No Galaxy - the Headquarter of the white knights. It was a bad and wrong decision. With them PGI allways believes that everything is great and that the others are on an island. PGI`S place should be here, the place for ALL informations should be HERE not on a 3rd parties website.

I think the NGNG guys will be the last ones playing MWO when all have gone and they will still think that everythings great and that the others are wrong...

sorry sir this is internet

[Galen Crayn]

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sorry sir this is internet

Aha. Dont think so. Other games uses their own websites

[Varth Shenon]

Galen Crayn, on 20 September 2013 - 01:36 AM, said:

Aha. Dont think so. Other games uses their own websites

but this is not other game sir