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[MadCat02]

Spidermech, Spidermech . Does whatever spidee mech does . ac2,ac10 will not register because hes a spider mech . Look out! its a spidermech

You know spider only has like 3 lasers

Edited by MadCat02, 22 September 2013 - 12:02 PM.

[Jack Spade Ward]

Mehlan, on 22 September 2013 - 11:56 AM, said:

You're a few cards short of a full deck aren't ya? You make claims, but can't provide anything factual to support it.

Out of cards??? Are playing poker? You keep defending what its not defendable, you dont want to listen, and its not only me, its alot of people. So how to argue with people like you? I just dont. I said what i meant, and alot of people agrees wih me.
The only people i see defending the spider are the people that pilot them and want things to continue. Mehlan, i play this game longer han you, im one of the first beta testers, so i think i actually know what i say nd why.
So i guess my talk with you is done, as is with people that simply refuse to listen.

[Mehlan]

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Out of cards??? Are playing poker? You keep defending what its not defendable, you dont want to listen, and its not only me, its alot of people. So how to argue with people like you? I just dont. I said what i meant, and alot of people agrees wih me.
The only people i see defending the spider are the people that pilot them and want things to continue. Mehlan, i play this game longer han you, im one of the first beta testers, so i think i actually know what i say nd why.
So i guess my talk with you is done, as is with people that simply refuse to listen.

'Short a full decks of cards'....google it.

A 'lot of people' oh wow, there's a defence....funny I check this forum and percentage wise...I see more 'saying learn how to aim'.

'You play this game longer than me...one of the first beta testers',... Yea and I can see the qaility of your 'testing', which would explain a LOT about the current state of MWO. I can only hope your not brought into the beta of any other 'game' again.
We know you 'think think i actually know what i say and why'... a lot of delusional people do the same thing. You've been posed questions and challenges to give you the opportunity to do just that.....but instead you blather even more BS.
...and of course then your final, hypocritical statement. ROFL

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as is with people that simply refuse to listen.

Pot meet kettle...

[Odins Fist]

Mehlan, on 21 September 2013 - 08:59 PM, said:

2+2=4, maybe you need to learn to right and understand the concept of context...

No crow was served, unless you planted your face straight into a heaping, steaming plate of it..
Also it's spelled (WRITE) not (RIGHT)... Who needs to what now??

I understand the context just fine, you are "ATTEMPTING" to make something new out of something that isn't there..
Small chasis have the biggest issue with Hit Reg, the smallest chasis is the Spider..

Questions : #1. Are the hit boxes on every mech done in the same fashion, and does (overlapping) hit box design affect Hit Reg and HSR or is it the other way around?

#2. Is there a problem with the netcode (mech speed) and HSR that effect the Hit Reg on certain mechs more, and how does hit box size and configuration play into this, do you have any idea.??

#3. Did PGI themselves say that there was a problem across the board with Hit Reg and HSR, but in the same breath say, and I quote "it’s most noticeable with small Mech chassis." ?

#4. What is the smallest mech chasis in the game..??

Yep, the Spider isn't an issue is it..?? If one issue is causing another, then by default fixing the problems in terms of how HSR, Hit Box config, and netcode affect gameplay, would indeed fix the Spider.

Now, when you have a majority of the community pointing out which Mech is one of, if not the worst indication of said issues, wouldn't it say that whatever method used, regardless if it fixed all other Hit reg issues, would be a good thing.??

I really don't care what fixes the little buggers, because I don't see any other mech with as obvious a flaw in the way it takes damage, in that respect the Spider is king of the flawed.. Or are you saying that the Spider doesn't have these issues in far greater values than others?

When I hit a target, I expect damage to be done to said mech, when I hit said mech repeatedly with an AC-20 and 2 other large weapons and said mech takes no or almost no additional damage, then I expect a fix, not an excuse or obtuse individuals saying that there is no issue, when clearly there is. HSR is the only issue huh..?? NOPE

What Timezone and TIme do you usually play MWO, I would very much like to see you in a match.
All in good fun of course, and good sportsmanship.

Edited by Odins Fist, 22 September 2013 - 12:56 PM.

[Jack Spade Ward]

Mehlan, on 22 September 2013 - 12:30 PM, said:

'Short a full decks of cards'....google it.

A 'lot of people' oh wow, there's a defence....funny I check this forum and percentage wise...I see more 'saying learn how to aim'.

'You play this game longer than me...one of the first beta testers',... Yea and I can see the qaility of your 'testing', which would explain a LOT about the current state of MWO. I can only hope your not brought into the beta of any other 'game' again.
We know you 'think think i actually know what i say and why'... a lot of delusional people do the same thing. You've been posed questions and challenges to give you the opportunity to do just that.....but instead you blather even more BS.
...and of course then your final, hypocritical statement. ROFL
Pot meet kettle...

And there you have it... ignorance... when all i tryed to do was a way for you to understand what i was trying to say, but, when a person like that starts going to ignorance, again i say, all that you got from is an ignore.
Wheter you like it or not, ths spider is an OP mech, deal with it, and soon will be balanced. Cheers

[Mehlan]

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Now, when you have a majority of the community pointing out which Mech is one of, if not the worst indication of said issues, wouldn't it say that whatever method used, regardless if it fixed all other Hit reg issues, would be a good thing.??

No, I would not... once the 'other hit reg issues' are fixed, you've got to go back and change something else again to try to restore.


Spade..

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And there you have it... ignorance... when all i tryed to do was a way for you to understand what i was trying to say, but, when a person like that starts going to ignorance, again i say, all that you got from is an ignore.
Wheter you like it or not, ths spider is an OP mech, deal with it, and soon will be balanced. Cheers

Ignorance is right, your cup runneth over with it.

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I understand the context just fine, you are "ATTEMPTING" to make something new out of something that isn't there..

No, i'm not... I want to see changes/fixes made correctly and not clusterfarked. Bandaid 'fixes' lead to bigger problems, the more slapstick changes you make the bigger repairs have to be made down the road.

[Jack Spade Ward]

Mehlan, on 22 September 2013 - 01:06 PM, said:

Spade..
Ignorance is right, your cup runneth over with it.

Yep, you too mate, you too...

[Odins Fist]

2 out of 3 questions asked were not answered...

[Mehlan]

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#4. What is the smallest mech chasis in the game..??

No, or it might be better to ask how you define 'size'. The Spider is taller than the commando, and roughly size but slimmer. Gymnast vs Wrestler.
Against the jenner, it's just as wide...but it lacks the blockiness of the jenner... it's arms are angled out. Profile is harder to make out in comparision to both.

Odins Fist, on 22 September 2013 - 03:36 PM, said:

2 out of 3 questions asked were not answered...

yea and

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Edited by Odins Fist, Today, 03:56 PM.

Didn't note the changes prior to my last post.

and you get the idea with

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If one issue is causing another, then by default fixing the problems in terms of how HSR, Hit Box config, and netcode affect gameplay, would indeed fix the Spider.

and if doesnt' then they can crawl into the spider and see what else is occuring.....and fix it.

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What Timezone and TIme do you usually play MWO, I would very much like to see you in a match.
All in good fun of course, and good sportsmanship.

Think my rough loc is listed under the avatar, but in short....CST. If we can/do match up, you think damage is not being applied, let me know, if inclined, record it...and I'll try to do same. Think it'd be great to get the same thing recorded from two viewpoints to compare. IF PGI had, wooudl hurry up and get the 'CW' crud in...or some way players could organize matches Id' be trying to find ways to test/confirm this stuff in a heartbeat.

Edited by Mehlan, 22 September 2013 - 04:04 PM.

[FenixofBria]

Mehlan, on 22 September 2013 - 12:30 PM, said:

'Short a full decks of cards'....google it.

A 'lot of people' oh wow, there's a defence....funny I check this forum and percentage wise...I see more 'saying learn how to aim'.

'You play this game longer than me...one of the first beta testers',... Yea and I can see the qaility of your 'testing', which would explain a LOT about the current state of MWO. I can only hope your not brought into the beta of any other 'game' again.
We know you 'think think i actually know what i say and why'... a lot of delusional people do the same thing. You've been posed questions and challenges to give you the opportunity to do just that.....but instead you blather even more BS.
...and of course then your final, hypocritical statement. ROFL
Pot meet kettle...

It's quite obvious English isn't the guy's first language.

But you go ahead and keep showing how far your head is up your ***.



I can see why a lot of players choose to no longer post on the forums, for the most part. This place has gone down hill a lot since closed beta. I think it's especially ridiculous that if you have a concern about something that isn't balanced, you're instantly called a whiner by those who exploit said unbalance.

Edited by FenixofBria, 22 September 2013 - 04:07 PM.

[Mehlan]

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But you go ahead and keep showing how far your head is up your ***.



I can see why a lot of players choose to no longer post on the forums, for the most part. This place has gone down hill a lot since closed beta. I think it's especially ridiculous that if you have a concern about something that isn't balanced, you're instantly called a whiner by those who exploit said unbalance.

No, you get called a whiner when you come crying how 'x' is overpowered or 'broken' and needs to be changed when you can't demonstrate it consistently is so... ie: the 'Spider' needs to be balanced or 'Ultra Fast Lightmechs Need To Be Balanced'.
When someone explains to what is going on and you ignore it and keep crying about it, or start attacking players over it.


While you can see why maybe people don't frequent the forums, I can see why the game may be in the state it's in based on ^ type posts and 'testing' reports.

[Gaan Cathal]

Yet another thread on this subject that's made it to page 3 without any actual evidence of the effect. Maybe it's linked to fraps? Try running fraps and see if suddenly you can hit them?

Seriously, I'm perfectly willing to believe there's a problem if I'm shown evidence of it. The fact that not one video has emerged yet is...telling, though.

[Kaijin]

Mehlan, on 22 September 2013 - 04:14 PM, said:

I can see why the game may be in the state it's in based on ^ type posts and 'testing' reports.

You're completely off base with this, and you should apologize to those who have gone before you. There's been no change in IGPGI's behavior from closed beta to open beta to launch. They ignore input. If you were to get an honest answer out of one of them about the function MWO's beta testers served, I imagine it'd go something like this,

[speculative fiction begins] They thought they were testing the game, but really all they were doing was testing the servers - see if they could hold up. We already know what we want to do with this IP, and nobody is going to tell us any different. [speculative fiction ends]

Having not been there, you really have no idea the incredible volume of good solid feedback that fell on the seemingly deaf ears of IGPGI during the course of closed beta.

[Mehlan]

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You're completely off base with this, and you should apologize to those who have gone before you. There's been no change in IGPGI's behavior from closed beta to open beta to launch. They ignore input. If you were to get an honest answer out of one of them about the function MWO's beta testers served, I imagine it'd go something like this,

Kaijin,
Understand and notice I did not/do not say 'all'....and yes I can understand when developers 'shutdown'... Mythic/DAoC, I was a 'tester' with access to their internal forums roughly until WHO. i'm sure there were some dedicated and valuable testers...by the same token (and as I opined) some very questionable ones.
Look at the plethora of posts in the balance forum, some of the posts in this thread and tell
me you cant understand where that might have played a part also.

[akpavker]

Mehlan, on 21 September 2013 - 01:57 PM, said:

....and once again your evidence of this happening each and every match are where?

What/where is your evidence that it is the mech and not system code? I'm waiting on youtube to fnish processing a vid that shows an enemy group having no problems damaging and indeed killin a spider as it tried to run through/past them.


....as an aside though, based on some of these 'founder' created threads. I'm having to start to wonder
how much fault lies solely @ the feet of pgi.

FenixofBria, on 21 September 2013 - 02:00 PM, said:

Try reading the entire post next time. As for actual evidence, I'm sure others here (should they bother to post) have had similar experiences. I don't record any of my battles. I don't care to. I'm not going to seek out evidence of this and post it. The evidence is there and abundant in the matches played.

yep i hate spider hitboxes atm their totaly broken ive seen exactly what your say.....spiders running around with ever piece of armor striped every off every part of the chassis befor dieing.

people like nameserver Mehlan are in denial these mechs are broken badly and need fixing. to many times have i seen a matches with 2 spiders left at the end and 12 mechs on the opposite team trying and failing to kill them.

take the raven for example 8 months ago they were gods of the battle field due to being as broken as the spider is now.....they got nerfed and and now only skilled light pilots can do well in them. the spider needs nerfing in the same/similar way as the ravens were. this would cull the posers that think they are **** hot light pilots and leave only the skilled light pilots in spiders.

[Mehlan]

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people like nameserver Mehlan are in denial these mechs are broken badly and need fixing. to many times have i seen a matches with 2 spiders left at the end and 12 mechs on the opposite team trying and failing to kill them.

take the raven for example 8 months ago they were gods of the battle field due to being as broken as the spider is now.....they got nerfed and and now only skilled light pilots can do well in them. the spider needs nerfing in the same/similar way as the ravens were. this would cull the posers that think they are **** hot light pilots and leave only the skilled light pilots in spiders.

^ and see another one that can even take the effin time to take a minute or two to read and find out wtf is going on.

So Akpavker...
Why don't you tell us precisely what it is that's 'broken' that's causing the issue AND why some people don't have consisten problems killing 'spiders'? Hitboxes, 'netcode', HSR...a full moon and a black cat on the PC while chanting alice coopers 'no more Mr. nice guy'?

Edited by Mehlan, 22 September 2013 - 05:39 PM.

[Gaan Cathal]

akpavker, on 22 September 2013 - 05:28 PM, said:

yep i hate spider hitboxes atm their totaly broken ive seen exactly what your say.....spiders running around with ever piece of armor striped every off every part of the chassis befor dieing.

Er..if there is a hit detection problem, what you described wouldn't be the result. Hit detection issues are characterised by the target not taking damage. If a spider ends up completely stripped then quite clearly it is taking hits.

[akpavker]

Gaan Cathal, on 22 September 2013 - 05:43 PM, said:

Er..if there is a hit detection problem, what you described wouldn't be the result. Hit detection issues are characterised by the target not taking damage. If a spider ends up completely stripped then quite clearly it is taking hits.

erm yea after running around in the midle of 12 enemy mechs for 5 minurts they are striped.....try doing this in any other light mech and get back to me smarty!!!

Mehlan, on 22 September 2013 - 05:37 PM, said:

^ and see another one that can even take the effin time to take a minute or two to read and find out wtf is going on.

So Akpavker...
Why don't you tell us precisely what it is that's 'broken' that's causing the issue AND why some people don't have consisten problems killing 'spiders'? Hitboxes, 'netcode', HSR...a full moon and a black cat on the PC while chanting alice coopers 'no more Mr. nice guy'?

i beleive i did say hit boxes (if you took the effin time to read my post you would have seen this) but to be honest im note a programer so i couldnt give you the exact reason. all i know is 9 time out of 10 the last mech standing on the battle field of a losing side is a spider. you know the guy thats ******* anoying and runs around in the midle of 12 enemy mechs and wont dieing because they have hit detection issues or broken hit boxes and then runs to the other side of the map and shuts down makeing the match last 5 minurts longer then it should be.

like i said your in denial dude these are similar problems like i said that the raven had 8 months ago before being nerfed and like i said now only skilled light pilots play them.

Edited by akpavker, 22 September 2013 - 06:33 PM.

[Corvus Antaka]

Try SSRM, AC/20, Gauss or PPC to kills lights. works a lot better than lasers once you figure out aim and lead times.

[Mehlan]

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erm yea after running around in the midle of 12 enemy mechs for 5 minurts they are striped.....try doing this in any other light mech and get back to me smarty!!!

5 minutes huh? 31 seconds, Guess I should have used a black cat, not a calico one....damn.

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i beleive i did say hit boxes (if you took the effin time to read my post you would have seen this) but to be honest im note a programer so i couldnt give you the exact reason.

Don't need to be a programmer, just a working brain cell to try to check and see...as I pointed out, if it was hitboxes it would happen each and every time in each and every match. It doesn't.. IF you'd research and read instead of crying for a whaaaaambulance, you'd find the answer to your tears.



Btw, if I'm in denial...why is it I'M the one doing the testing, providing vids...while your the one crying and guessing at whats happening?

Edited by Mehlan, 22 September 2013 - 06:51 PM.