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[TercieI]

Amatsukaze, on 27 January 2017 - 06:31 AM, said:

Does camouflage either pattern or clan have a tangible effect in game besides looking cool?

For example in World of warships if you buy premium camo while it doesn't make it any harder to see the ships your shots have a -4% chance of hitting. l

No tangible effect unless you manage to really come up with a blending-in pattern. This used to be impossible, but recent upgrades make it so dark colors on dark maps and light colors on bright maps can actually help a little.

[DavidStarr]

How do camo patterns work? When I buy one, is it just for this chassis, or for all chassis?
When I buy one-shot camo, is it just for this variant or for the whole chassis? Do I lose one-shot camo if I sell and re-buy the mech?

[Wedge Red Leader]

If you buy a camo pattern, it can be used on all the variants for that chassis forever. Even if you buy or sell a variant, and you can shift between any other patterns you own for that chassis.

One shot camo is only for that one mech. If you change the camo pattern it is gone, hence why one shots are so cheap. And since new mechs come with standard camo, yes, the one shot pattern is gone.

Most ppl get one shots. But if you are a fashion prince get the patterns. You can't even buy a cup of coffee for the price of a one shot, don't sweat it to hard.

Edited by Wedge Red Leader, 27 January 2017 - 09:26 AM.

[TercieI]

Wedge Red Leader, on 27 January 2017 - 09:16 AM, said:

If you buy a camo pattern, it can be used on all the variants for that chassis forever. Even if you buy or sell a variant, and you can shift between any patterns you own.

^This is the answer for unlocks

DavidStarr, on 27 January 2017 - 08:35 AM, said:

How do camo patterns work? When I buy one, is it just for this chassis, or for all chassis?
When I buy one-shot camo, is it just for this variant or for the whole chassis? Do I lose one-shot camo if I sell and re-buy the mech?

One-shots are just that: One-shot. It's applied and if you change it, it's gone. You can freely alter colors and dekkles with it, but if you change the pattern itself (or sell the mech), it'll be gone forever.

[AureliusDean]

I didn't know that about the private lobby!

My biggest issue these days is although I got laid off until spring, I cannot make my wife understand that when I'm in a drop there are 12 real humans trying to kill me. I'm thinking of putting a huge sign at the entrance to my den. "I CANNOT PAUSE" The struggle is real. Someone should write a book about how to make time for yourself. I'm failing hard.

[Rogue Jedi]

The way cammo purchasing works

Unlock
Costs 10 times as much as 1 shot
Can be applied to any variant of that chassis (with the exception of a few hero/pack variants which do not yet have full cammo support but should eventuraly
The unlock is only for that chassis, so if you unlock a cammo for Timber Wolf you would have to pay again for Mad Dog or Arctic Cheetah

One Shot
A single application of that cammo spec to a single Mech
You can change colours whenever you want but if the pattern is changed and you want to reapply or if you want to apply to another Mech even of the exact same varient you will have to repurchase
One tenth the price of unlock.

In my opinion unlock is only worthwhile if you plan to change cammo a lot and always want it available or own 10+ of the same chassis

I always recommend OneShot, as there are few occasions where unlock would be better value than oneshot even if unlock was on sale for half price

Paints and decals are always pay once to unlock, purchase then once and they are always available for use on any varient of any chassis.

Edited by Rogue Jedi, 29 January 2017 - 05:11 AM.

[Reno Blade]

AureliusDean, on 27 January 2017 - 09:32 AM, said:

I didn't know that about the private lobby!

My biggest issue these days is although I got laid off until spring, I cannot make my wife understand that when I'm in a drop there are 12 real humans trying to kill me. I'm thinking of putting a huge sign at the entrance to my den. "I CANNOT PAUSE" The struggle is real. Someone should write a book about how to make time for yourself. I'm failing hard.

You can let her play the game (either on your PC, or on her own, if she has one) and then she will see what you are playing.
Then tell her, the other 23 mechs are all piloted by other players like yourself.
Basic PVP games, but non-players don't know this as we do

[DavidStarr]

Thanks for explaining the camo mechanics in such great detail!
I wish there was an option for a one-time purchase for all mechs forever. It would be mor eexpensive but I could pay once and use forever. As it is... meh. Might get one-shots for my heroes and special mechs since I'm not going to sell them.

Wedge Red Leader, on 27 January 2017 - 09:16 AM, said:

You can't even buy a cup of coffee for the price of a one shot, don't sweat it to hard.

You can in my country. But yeah, it's not too much still. Problem is I don't like how one-shot works, I sell mechs often (and sometimes re-buy them).

AureliusDean, on 27 January 2017 - 09:32 AM, said:

I cannot make my wife understand that when I'm in a drop there are 12 real humans trying to kill me.

Door lock is OP. And ask yourself a question whether you want to be stuck with this cold-hearted, un-sympathetic woman forever
Seriously, though, Reno Blade's reply nailed it.

Edited by DavidStarr, 27 January 2017 - 01:46 PM.

[Koniving]

AureliusDean, on 27 January 2017 - 09:32 AM, said:

I didn't know that about the private lobby!

My biggest issue these days is although I got laid off until spring, I cannot make my wife understand that when I'm in a drop there are 12 real humans trying to kill me. I'm thinking of putting a huge sign at the entrance to my den. "I CANNOT PAUSE" The struggle is real. Someone should write a book about how to make time for yourself. I'm failing hard.

If MWO was more....Battletech-y, or more like closed beta, minor interruptions wouldn't be so costly since combat was kinda slow paced.

This said, there are loadout designs that allow for the relaxing comfort of family life and its often unexpected surprises.

There are options in every weight class (including the Urban mech), but...
I find the best options are literally everything in the 85 ton range. Every single 85 ton 'mech is perfectly ideal for people who need to be able to slaughter things, disappear for a few minutes to check on the baby, and then come back and win the game.

Spoiler

An example of this, uh, from before my daughter was born. "Bored", I'm in a group fight back in the day, and while lobbing missiles when targets are called, I switch out to watch a youtube video, and switch back to lob more missiles.... when I'm suddenly told that half our team got wiped out really rapidly and that the enemy made a B line for our base. Not having the time to stop the video I jump back, and the 4 of us march on down. Shortly after the stranger and one of our three end up dead due to a plethora of ECM snipers. Heavy weaponry is starting to come around the corners in ambush and it boils down to two of us.. Lordred in an 80 ton "5 minute Awesome", a heavy exploit of bad hitboxes, overzealous early quirks, standard heatsinks which were blatantly superior in earlier renditions of the skill tree and the quirks if you could carry enough of them, and a 3 PPC setup that could fire non-stop for 5 minutes before shutting down, and the cool to zero from 99% in 4 seconds or less. Myself, I had an 85 ton Warhawk set as a combination missile boat and precision brawler.

In the middle of the fight I had to minimize the game, pull up fraps, and set it to record. We had 7 to 8 enemies when I minimized to do that. 2 versus 7 or 8. Four enemy snipers. The rest heavies and assaults. We did have the back up of the turrets but they were dwindling quickly and our base was already heavily 'captured'. All it would take is one guy to slip in and end it against us. We had to hold them at bay.

In the end... it was a tie game, 1 versus 1 left.

[DavidStarr]

I can't agree with Koniving about going AFK in assaults. If you're going to handicap your team, at least do it in a light. A Locust.

[Koniving]

DavidStarr, on 28 January 2017 - 02:15 AM, said:

I can't agree with Koniving about going AFK in assaults. If you're going to handicap your team, at least do it in a light. A Locust.

Yeah, but an afk light tends to...wind up dead.

An assault will have enough time to react when it is under attack. And we're talking about brief afk breaks like "bring me a bottle" and "Do you need to be held? Okay, up we go, now I'm gonna hold you right here and you can watch me pwn some people with just one hand."

[DavidStarr]

Koniving, on 28 January 2017 - 12:48 PM, said:

"Do you need to be held? Okay, up we go, now I'm gonna hold you right here and you can watch me pwn some people with just one hand."

Okay, that sounds reasonable, I stand corrected.

[DavidStarr]

Could you guys give me a rundown of Night Gyr versus Timberwolf? Their biggest differences; what each of them does better; and is TBR still relevant?

[Rogue Jedi]

DavidStarr, on 29 January 2017 - 02:48 AM, said:

Could you guys give me a rundown of Night Gyr versus Timberwolf? Their biggest differences; what each of them does better; and is TBR still relevant?

I have never tried the Night Gyr, the reason for this is speed, the Night Gyr is too slow for me, I need Mechs to move 75+, preferably 90+, most of the Clan heavies fit nicely into that speed range but Mechs moving in there 60s just feel way too slugish for me to enjoy piloting.

the major advantage of the Night Gyr is its firepower, it has 10 more tons than the TBR for weapons (assuming both have max armor and the TBR is not using the S pods with fixed jumpjets, if taking the S with all its pods with jets that is an extra 5 tons).

the Night Gyr also has a quirk which means it does not take any environmental heat so if you are on a hot map that is an advantage, a disadvantage on a cold map.

my viewpoint is the TBRs speed makes it more versitile than the NTG, the NTG seems to have more versitile hardpoints and more tonage, I find TBRs usualy take longer to go down than NTGs when I am fighting them, this is probably due to the body shape and higher twist speed.

but as I said I have never played the Night Gyr and likely never will because it is too slow for me.

[Reno Blade]

As Rogue Jedi described, the Night Gyr is packing more punch, but the Timber is nimble.
Usually you see Timbers with 2xLP + 5x ERML meta build, or sometimes 2x cERPPC+cGauss.

The Night Gyr can run stuff like 2x cUAC5 + 2x cERPPC, 2x cGauss + cERPPC, or even try to do 3x cUAC10, (or a bigger missile boat.
It doesn't have many energy hardpoints to do the 2xLP +5x ERML (as far as I remember) and the side torsos are packed with structure, so you can't put too big of ballistics in there. (see smurfy mechlab)

My favorit build is the 2x cGauss + cERPPC variant, but the 2x cUAC5 + 2x cERPPC is quite nice (but a bit hot).

[Koniving]

DavidStarr, on 29 January 2017 - 02:48 AM, said:

Could you guys give me a rundown of Night Gyr versus Timberwolf? Their biggest differences; what each of them does better; and is TBR still relevant?

TBR is still rating higher than the Night Gyr. This said the Night Gyr has many advantages and disadvantages over the Timber Wolf.

It has a superior side profile, but the front profile screams "shoot me" more than the TBR. The Night Gyr has to twist significantly more to spread damage, and its humanoid design makes the 2 rear, all other armor front trick to be 'nearly invincible' trick impossible, so Night Gyrs are easier to kill. This said, Night Gyrs can bring heavier firepower to bear, and significantly more numerous 'lighter' firepower too due to many more possible hardpoints available, with high concentrations in the arms, making it able to more rapidly engage multiple targets and make precision strikes... perfect to make up for its reduced speed.

[S 0 L E N Y A]

In the current meta the night gyr is the stronger mech. However, it is less versatile and much harder to pilot due to its slow speed.

Night Gyr is really only suited for long range trading. Its high weapon mounts and very high amount of free tonnage add up to a very capable sniper.

The Timby by comparison is far more versatile, especially when you consider it can make for a strong brawler or laser vomit mech (the night gyr fails horribly at both of those.

If you are new(ish) the Timby is probably the better buy.

[DavidStarr]

Is there a way to quickly find out which mechs have a specific engine in their stock loadout?

Might want to buy mechs on sale just for the engine

Edited by DavidStarr, 30 January 2017 - 10:17 AM.

[Tesunie]

DavidStarr, on 30 January 2017 - 10:09 AM, said:

Is there a way to quickly find out which mechs have a specific engine in their stock loadout?

Might want to buy mechs on sale just for the engine

Well, there is the in game store. They should say (if you hover your mouse over it, or even "enter mechlab" before you purchase) what engine it contains. Beyond that, Smurfy would be my next best concept for you.

[Tier5 Kerensky]

DavidStarr, on 30 January 2017 - 10:09 AM, said:

Is there a way to quickly find out which mechs have a specific engine in their stock loadout?

Might want to buy mechs on sale just for the engine

Smurfy definetly.
The main page lists all mechs, just search with the engine type with browser page search, and see if such mech exists and if it's on sale.
http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/