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[Tesunie]

DavidStarr, on 25 January 2017 - 12:01 AM, said:

So my point is, while hybrid boats will naturally have enemies in their line of sight often, which means that Artemis will naturally work, it will not grant as big a benefit as it would to a dedicated LRM platform.

I think you've grasped the mixed LRM platform's dilemma rather well, and it seems about right to me. Most of my mechs don't have TAG nor Artemis, but I do play a lot of mixed loadouts when it comes to LRMs.

So, I'll say, absolutely correct from what I've read.

Teer Kerensky, on 25 January 2017 - 04:14 AM, said:

Artemis might be better with low amount of missile hardpoints, mixed builds and smaller faster mechs specially with ECM.

And here, I'd like to mention, you've caught the other side of the topic. You are also completely correct.

There is an advantage and a disadvantage to each concept, and most of it is how you intend to use your build. Though I don't advise an indirect only/mostly build, it is a play style and if coordinated within a team it can be highly effective. If with PUGs, it's a chancy build and PUGs do benefit from having more armor up front and more tightly grouped teams. AKA: PUGs don't like LRM boats that hide in the back, because they tend to hide too far in the back.

It's all depends upon what you team will work with, and what you intend to get out of your mech. So, you each appear completely correct, from the different standpoints of mech construction and the LRM dilemma when building a mech with them on.

[Husker Dude]

Teer Kerensky, on 25 January 2017 - 04:14 AM, said:

For real LRM boats with little or no other weapons, I think best way to play, is minimize your exposure.

You can't take damage on your allies behalf. If they take more damage than what their class brings to the table as armor, that's because what they do, not what you don't do.

Majority of mechs shoot their payload fast and then hide to weapon cooldown and possibly heat cool off. LRMs always take longer time, just to get lock. If you expose yourself you just donate your armor to the enemy. It's up to other brawlers to sync their peek-a-boo routine together.

If it's a close game, the LRM boat's armor will be needed in end game, one way or another it usually gets used.

LRM boats that sit back while their teammates armor is spent first will get farmed out by the remaining enemies, unable to effectively return fire against even a light that gets within minimum range.

Don't forget, too, travel time of LRMs is a big factor; when sitting back and hiding, you're relying on the rest of your team to hold that lock FOR you for the entire extended period, so that the lock isn't lost mid-flight. That means in order to be effective, your teammates need to extend their exposure time, or else your missiles are going to hit empty ground.

It's always better to stay up front, just outside of the minimum range, to ensure a continued lock and share your armor. Will you die earlier than you otherwise would if you sat back? It's possible, but if you sit back, unless the rest of your team is able to carry you, you'll be fighting alone at the end.

[Xaat Xuun]

Jingseng, on 24 January 2017 - 07:14 PM, said:

It means:
1) Red - it is an enemy target
2) Weird A - someone on your team has it targeted (this has been my experience in game, and is confirmed by your pic - you do not have LOS on the target, therefore for it to show up, someone else must)

I thought of that, not in them words, close enough though.
since once I targeted them, they get a designation letter, I was thinking more on the lines they have you targeted and you don't have them targeted/Identified

[Spangle]

Whats with the new music?

[S 0 L E N Y A]

Spangle, on 25 January 2017 - 03:22 PM, said:

Whats with the new music?

It is just that:new.

[Insufferable Smartypants]

Okay I'm back and asking for clarification about the red Eiffel Tower-looking image.

Here we see it again, this time with a clear line-of-sight to the mech its calling out.


So in the first image, you can see that a zoom module isn't even being used. It shouldn't have anything to do with advanced zoom.


And just to forestall anybody saying it's an "A," here is an image of alpha-target.



Any more ideas?

[DavidStarr]

It's not A, it's an arrow. It only appears when you're zoomed in (be it with or without the advanced zoom module).

Question: if I sell a Marauder right now, while it is on sale, do I get less C-Bills than if I were to sell it when it's NOT on sale?

Edited by DavidStarr, 26 January 2017 - 02:39 AM.

[Jingseng]

Jack J Hunter, on 26 January 2017 - 01:53 AM, said:

Okay I'm back and asking for clarification about the red Eiffel Tower-looking image.

Here we see it again, this time with a clear line-of-sight to the mech its calling out.


So in the first image, you can see that a zoom module isn't even being used. It shouldn't have anything to do with advanced zoom.


And just to forestall anybody saying it's an "A," here is an image of alpha-target.



Any more ideas?

I answered your question previously. Please check.

In this case, that IS the letter A. It means that Mad IIc (the same mad IIc in both pictures) is Target Designated "A" for ease of calling. It is red: it is an enemy. It is short cut designated A. It is in LOS, so you can see its short cut designator. It is not (or may not) being targeted by someone else on your team.

This is different from your previous picture.

It is not an arrow (either post) (kindly think and be 100% certain with the ability to back up that certainty with reason before posting as an "answer").

It is not a waypoint or an objective.

It is asked and answered.

[DavidStarr]

Jingseng, on 26 January 2017 - 04:25 AM, said:

It is not an arrow (either post) (kindly think and be 100% certain with the ability to back up that certainty with reason before posting as an "answer").

I am certain it's not A but an arrow. Kindly post a a similar screenshot with this marker listing any letter between "B" and "I" in this "font" to disprove my point.
Also kindly note that this symbol is exactly the same as the arrow designating your mech on the minimap. Or is that also an "A"?..

So I am reflecting your very reasonable remark about backing up your statements back at you.

Edited by DavidStarr, 26 January 2017 - 04:34 AM.

[Tesunie]

Jack J Hunter, on 26 January 2017 - 01:53 AM, said:

Okay I'm back and asking for clarification about the red Eiffel Tower-looking image.

Here we see it again, this time with a clear line-of-sight to the mech its calling out.


So in the first image, you can see that a zoom module isn't even being used. It shouldn't have anything to do with advanced zoom.


And just to forestall anybody saying it's an "A," here is an image of alpha-target.



Any more ideas?

Could it be the Alpha designation still, but might it show up different between ECM and non ECM covered, and/or targeted and non-targeted?

It is clearly a different font, and if it wasn't for the game mode and it's over an enemy mech's head, I'd almost would have guess it was a designation for a Domination command HQ (those things you destroy to add time to the enemy's capture counter).

I've never noticed this in my own game, but that doesn't mean I just wasn't noticing it and it's been there for a long while, or it's something that even is a recent change.

[Insufferable Smartypants]

Jingseng, on 26 January 2017 - 04:25 AM, said:

I answered your question previously. Please check.

In this case, that IS the letter A. It means that Mad IIc (the same mad IIc in both pictures) is Target Designated "A" for ease of calling. It is red: it is an enemy. It is short cut designated A. It is in LOS, so you can see its short cut designator. It is not (or may not) being targeted by someone else on your team.

This is different from your previous picture.

It is not an arrow (either post) (kindly think and be 100% certain with the ability to back up that certainty with reason before posting as an "answer").

It is not a waypoint or an objective.

It is asked and answered.

You must mean the post where you said:

"It means:
1) Red - it is an enemy target
2) Weird A - someone on your team has it targeted (this has been my experience in game, and is confirmed by your pic - you do not have LOS on the target, therefore for it to show up, someone else must) "

Which is great and all, except you were incorrect. As I demonstrated in the first pic in this new post, I *DO* in fact have LOS to the target, which makes me wonder how good your info is.. not to mention you just told me what the letter A means, when I stated pretty clearly that my 2nd picture was a screenshot of the letter A to forestall exactly that paragraph from showing up in a reply, leading me to understand that you didn't really read my post to begin with, which *also* makes me question the reliability if your knowledge.

Since literally everybody that has ever attempted to answer my question has replied with a different answer, you'll forgive me if I shop around a little more and don't accept that you're the end-all be-all of MWO information. You've proven that you aren't.

Edited by Jack J Hunter, 26 January 2017 - 08:02 AM.

[Robinson Crusher]

Tesunie, on 20 January 2017 - 10:22 AM, said:

I did that again (twice!) last night with my unit. Placed a strike in the middle of the enemy, only to see a teammate in a Night Gyr fall down from a cliff above and right into the smoke. End of match, another 100+ team damage (but no penalty that time). Then, in the second match, I drop a strike near an enemy Nova high up between two buildings near the center of Mining Colony. No allies where near him or behind him... Another 100+ team damage! (I don't even... Starting to wonder why I even bring those anymore...)


As for causing 300 damage to a single light mech... It happened. I'm not joking. It was the only target I shot at, I wasted tons of ammo from my 2 AC2, 2 AC5 and 2 PPC King Crab on the single mech. I didn't even penetrate it's armor and it's structure was pristine. I died with all that damage at the end of match score, enemy team wiped out, and only one assist (meaning I only hit that light mech). I also had it happen when I've used SRMs before against a target, same end results. Enough end of match damage dealt to kill an assault mech, one assist, and my target was a light mech.

I will remark, this was some time ago, like when FW first game out time frame... I can't say I've seen it repeated in some time. But the simple fact that it's happened to me not even once but several times in the past...

Is this a hit reg issue? I've seen it too, and while I'm not at all fast to call "hack", I've been wondering if some people might have found a way to make the system think it was always firing through an arm or some such.

Edited by Robinson Crusher, 26 January 2017 - 12:51 PM.

[Robinson Crusher]

I've read a few posts recently making reference to "hitscan" and "hitscan weapons". Can anyone fill me in, please (and TY).

[DavidStarr]

Robinson Crusher, on 26 January 2017 - 12:59 PM, said:

I've read a few posts recently making reference to "hitscan" and "hitscan weapons". Can anyone fill me in, please (and TY).

I believe those are lasers - weapons that fire in a straight line that toggles on and off instantly, as opposed to ballistic weapons that fire shells with finite velocity.

[Husker Dude]

Basically, lasers. Like, they're hitting while you have the cursor/beam over the enemy, opposed to ballistics which have a flight time that you have to lead.

Incidentally, MGs are also counted on hit scan; even though you can see little projectiles when you fire them, you shouldn't lead with them, damage is actually being done where your cursor is.

[Xaat Xuun]

Jack J Hunter, on 26 January 2017 - 08:00 AM, said:

You must mean the post where you said:

"It means:
1) Red - it is an enemy target
2) Weird A - someone on your team has it targeted (this has been my experience in game, and is confirmed by your pic - you do not have LOS on the target, therefore for it to show up, someone else must) "

Which is great and all, except you were incorrect. As I demonstrated in the first pic in this new post, I *DO* in fact have LOS to the target, which makes me wonder how good your info is.. not to mention you just told me what the letter A means, when I stated pretty clearly that my 2nd picture was a screenshot of the letter A to forestall exactly that paragraph from showing up in a reply, leading me to understand that you didn't really read my post to begin with, which *also* makes me question the reliability if your knowledge.

Since literally everybody that has ever attempted to answer my question has replied with a different answer, you'll forgive me if I shop around a little more and don't accept that you're the end-all be-all of MWO information. You've proven that you aren't.

you're forgiven

I've had 2 of the strange "A" in my screen, so I still say it's a Undesignated Place holder, since once I press 'R', it gets a designation letter, and the strange 'A' goes away replaced with a designated letter.
I also believed it could be they have command, that's just a wild guess
I also thinks, they have you targeted, but you not them
I'm sure I could think of a few others, but I'm sure it's a placeholder designation, until identified
I just don't have the definitive answer, not sure anyone has yet

[Tier5 Kerensky]

DavidStarr, on 26 January 2017 - 02:05 AM, said:

Question: if I sell a Marauder right now, while it is on sale, do I get less C-Bills than if I were to sell it when it's NOT on sale?

Sell price is always the same.

[Tesunie]

Robinson Crusher, on 26 January 2017 - 12:59 PM, said:

I've read a few posts recently making reference to "hitscan" and "hitscan weapons". Can anyone fill me in, please (and TY).

As others have already mentioned, hit scan is referring mostly about laser weapons.

Hit Scan weapons are weapons that deal damage the longer they are held over a target, very similar to a "damage over time" like mechanic. The longer you have the "beam duration" on your target, the more damage that single shot will deal to said target.

That damage is dealt in a form of "ticks", with each laser having a set amount of ticks in it. These ticks are the moments when a "burst" of damage is applied. If it's on target when a "tick" is reached, it will deal damage. If you brush a laser beam over a target, but the beam wasn't on a target during a "tick of damage", than no damage will apply. On the other hand, if you hold said beam on one location for it's entire duration (all possible ticks of damage), than all damage possible that the beam can deal will be dealt to that location.


For short, beam weapons (and MGs) will deal more damage the longer they are held on target while they are shooting. They will also deal "splash" damage if you just sweep your laser around on a target as the beam is on.

[Tesunie]

Robinson Crusher, on 26 January 2017 - 12:50 PM, said:

Is this a hit reg issue? I've seen it too, and while I'm not at all fast to call "hack", I've been wondering if some people might have found a way to make the system think it was always firing through an arm or some such.

I'm going to presume it's a damage registration issue, rather than a hit reg issue. Somehow, the game registers the hit and gives you credit for the damage, but it somehow fails to apply the damage.

I'm certain it isn't any form of cheating (besides maybe some form of packet loss control and/or lag switch, but even then highly unlikely). It's just some bug in the game that comes up from time to time. I've seen it really bad around the time FP (then called CW) was first released into the game, but I haven't noticed it as much in recent patches. If it's happening, it isn't nearly as often nor as bad as it once was. (Though Hit Reg is a different issue altogether. I still have some hits not deal damage, and other times a miss deal damage... But I suspect HSR is the problem there somehow.)

Suffice it to say, somethings weird things happen. It's an online game, and I've never known of any online game that didn't have it's fair share of bugs and unintended "features".

[Amatsukaze]

Does camouflage either pattern or clan have a tangible effect in game besides looking cool?

For example in World of warships if you buy premium camo while it doesn't make it any harder to see the ships your shots have a -4% chance of hitting. l