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[rolly]

Pht, on 12 October 2013 - 06:46 PM, said:

No, it doesn't come off that way.

There is exactly zero in the grammar/meaning or word choices in the OP that indicates anything even remotely like the meaning that the guy thinks his kid is somehow a better human being and should thus be treated better than others.

Thank you for reinterating that Pht.

[Lukoi Banacek]

rolly, on 12 October 2013 - 03:52 PM, said:

[Sorry mods in advance, tried to post this where most appropriate - Game balance = community etc.]

Backstory: I like many of you, have been a fan of battletech, mechwarrior since I was very young. Today as an active gamer and parent I do believe that a good games community makes a huge difference in enjoying a game and greatly helps when introducing new generations to the experience.

Today I gave my very young son the opportunity to ride shotgun with me while we played this game together. I asked the 11 other players to "Go easy on me, my son is learning how to play." Perhaps it was foolish of me to think that "hey maybe these guys will be awesome and be sportsmanlike. Especially to a child playing a game for the first time with his dad."

Sadly there were a few who took this as an opportunity to talk smack. With lines line "I will feast on his soul with my AC/20" or "Sheesh why not just hang a pork chop around his neck"
Thankfully my son did not notice or read this. Unfortunately it sadly speaks volumes of the trend going on. With the "Ready Police" and TKing on the rise. Even the "Press Alt +F4 to ready up faster" is still present. I still continue to remain hopeful that this game's community will improve over all.

I here by ask and challenge this community of new fans and old alike to BE better,
to one another in particular to the NEW members, for the sake of improving this game. I want this game to flourish and I'm sure you do too.

I'm going to continue to do my part, will you?

Your thread here is all the more reason this game needs an ingame ignore feature for chat. It's common sense in this day and age and long overdue. No idea why PGI doesn't spend the 10min to code it.

[oldradagast]

Considering the staggeringly bad play I've seen over the months, I seriously doubt a 6-year could do worse. And he probably wouldn't team-kill the company commander for splitting his lance, either, and then drown out the team chat with a need to "justify" his actions for the rest of the match.

At any rate, the more the merrier, and if your kid is having fun, good for him. I honestly don't mind having a reduced chance of winning 1 game because - oh, the horror - 1 out of 12 mechs on my team is being piloted by a young'un. Heck, if he just walks forward, sticks with the pack, and shoots the stuff that's shooting back at him, he's already better than a frightening number of "mature" players out there. Plus, he won't grace the game with profanity and "my team is the sux" after dying, so that's another point in his favor.

Anyway, I'm sorry if you or your son has had a negative game experience thus far. Many of us folks on the game aren't really bad folks. We just aren't as talkative, I guess.

Edited by oldradagast, 17 October 2013 - 10:39 AM.

[Pht]

Derrpy, on 15 October 2013 - 08:36 PM, said:

I will enjoy my selfish immaturity because why the f*ck not?

And there you have it in a nutshell.

Me first; the heck with anyone else.

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if you are offended on the internet you may as well be ******* in the face of a stiff wind for all the good it will do you.

So, you don't have a problem with things like this?

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Winter Haven, Florida (CNN) -- The attorney for a 14-year-old Florida girl charged with aggravated stalking that allegedly led to the suicide of a 12-year-old classmate told CNN that her client isn't responsible for a controversial Facebook post that led to the suspect's arrest.

Police on Monday arrested two girls, ages 14 and 12, in connection with the death of Rebecca Sedwick, who jumped from the top of an abandoned concrete plant last month.

Authorities said the 14-year-old girl was Rebecca's chief tormenter, and the girl posted a taunting message Saturday on the Internet about what had happened.

"Yes IK I bullied REBECCA nd she killed her self but IDGAF," the Facebook post read. Grady Judd, sheriff of Polk County, Florida, said the online vernacular meant "I don't give a (expletive)."

http://www.cnn.com/2...-death-arrests/

After all, it was on the internet.

[Karazyr]

Pht, on 17 October 2013 - 12:24 PM, said:

And there you have it in a nutshell.

Me first; the heck with anyone else.



So, you don't have a problem with things like this?



http://www.cnn.com/2...-death-arrests/

After all, it was on the internet.

Christ you really like playing the internet {Noble MechWarrior} dont you...... how many poor people have you saved for us awful trolls?

it the internet its a nasty place that is unsuited for children, so no it does not bother me, if you cant handle the heat stay out of the fire. people should be respectful of others yes, however we dont live in a utopia so thats not gonna happen and it does not happen on the internet ether no matter how much it offends you.

Stephen fry sums it up wonderfully.

[Pht]

Derrpy, on 17 October 2013 - 12:35 PM, said:

Christ you really like playing the internet {Noble MechWarrior} dont you...... how many poor people have you saved for us awful trolls?

So, If I point out what will happen if what you're putting forth is accepted, I'm doing something wrong...

Interesting that.

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it the internet its a nasty place that is unsuited for children, so no it does not bother me,...

So, you admit that you have no problem being nasty around kids, as long as it's the internet?

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if you cant handle the heat stay out of the fire.

Rather ironic, coming from someone who's getting riled up because I've merely held a mirror up to show you what your position leads to.

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people should be respectful of others yes, however we dont live in a utopia so thats not gonna happen and it does not happen on the internet ether no matter how much it offends you.

Do you oppose ANY behavor or thinking on the basis that you think it's simply wrong? If you do, than apply your own line of reasoning here to that - be consistent - and you'll recognize that, "because this isn't utopia" works against ANY morals of any sort.

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Stephen fry sums it up wonderfully.

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Exactly what you've been doing to me for daring to point out the end-point of what you're putting forth.

Edited by Pht, 17 October 2013 - 12:51 PM.

[Pht]

Here's a novel thought:

The ideas

That humans should attempt to be decent ..

and

... that humans are messed up and live in a messed up world...

don't contradict each other.

[Karazyr]

Pht, on 17 October 2013 - 12:43 PM, said:

So, If I point out what will happen if what you're putting forth is accepted, I'm doing something wrong...

Interesting that.



So, you admit that you have no problem being nasty around kids, as long as it's the internet?



Rather ironic, coming from someone who's getting riled up because I've merely held a mirror up to show you what your position leads to.



Do you oppose ANY behavor or thinking on the basis that you think it's simply wrong? If you do, than apply your own line of reasoning here to that - be consistent - and you'll recognize that, "because this isn't utopia" works against ANY morals of any sort.



Exactly what you've been doing to me for daring to point out the end-point of what you're putting forth.

Honestly i don't care about kids, i don't think they need to be sheltered from the reality's of life.
I understand that people should be decent however many are not so should we try and change the perspective of every {LT-MOB-25} end on the internet with a forum post? no you just get over it and realize people don't change.

i harbor no ill will towards you, i just don't understand why your so obsessed with trying to get the internet to play nice, it wont happen.

[Davis Early]

Actually, it will, and usually does when ideas like this are made higher priority. My own personal experience in MWO would skyrocket if I had a /squelch option. Would LOVE to see that feature take effect, the sooner the better.

Hellen Wheels, on 15 October 2013 - 02:41 PM, said:

I've reported many a player with the tag line, "This is why I can't let my grandkids play MWO...."

There should be at least two simple switch commands, a la

/all chat off

and

/SQUELCH "offending player's name"

that we could use to rid ourselves of these miscreants. Problem solved.

I could code that for them for a nominal fee.

=H=

[Selbatrim]

just petition pgi to censor the in game chat the same as forum. sure you can still $w34r but 1337 should take a bit longer to understand.

[Rasc4l]

rolly, on 12 October 2013 - 03:52 PM, said:

Sadly there were a few who took this as an opportunity to talk smack. With lines line "I will feast on his soul with my AC/20" or "Sheesh why not just hang a pork chop around his neck"
Thankfully my son did not notice or read this. Unfortunately it sadly speaks volumes of the trend going on. With the "Ready

So what is the opposite phrase for "No offense, but..." in English? Well I'll try:

Yes offense, but sounds like you're new to the Internet or just in general live in a bubble. What those guys said is not even BAD. That's the usual mechwarrior macho blabber and they might even be trying to "roleplay" or whatever.

If they had threatened to dismember your son after kicking his rear torso in combat, then you might have a MINOR point in your message.

rolly, on 12 October 2013 - 03:52 PM, said:

Police" and TKing on the rise. Even the "Press Alt +F4 to ready up faster" is still present. I still continue to remain hopeful that this game's community will improve over all.

I here by ask and challenge this community of new fans and old alike to BE better,
to one another in particular to the NEW members, for the sake of improving this game. I want this game to flourish and I'm sure you do too.

I'm going to continue to do my part, will you?

Sounds like you need to join that guild that doesn't swear (lol) or do something else that maintains your bubble.

Bottom line: Your post is just another BS-post asking for more censorship, which is already happening too much also in the west. We can't even the say the word **** in this forum without getting the censorship stars.

So in general, I'm doing my part in blasting any newbies to hell, who have the nerve to ask for lenience just because "it's their first time" or "because I'm young". Spare us the requests for doublestandards.

[B0oN]

Challenge accepted .

Sheesh, I´d love to see more people being more akin to the following phrase :
"Respect in = respect out"

But alas, it´s the Interwebs where anonymity = asociality (and from time to time I´m also guilty of that albeit trying to better myself).

[Kenyon Burguess]

Sandpit, on 12 October 2013 - 08:09 PM, said:

this is exactly what's wrong with people. I'm going to love it when they implement the bounty program.....



and this



and this

yes, and then they will bounty the child, and he/she will have an even worse experience. the best option for getting your kids involved is for now the training area, I let my son run amok there and he enjoys the experience, and I don't have to worry about open chat conversations or others calling him names for forgetting to ready up. someday when groups can organize drops closed to the public I will let him run with the Mariks, but I don't see that happening any time soon.

[oldradagast]

Rasc4l, on 18 October 2013 - 01:20 AM, said:

Bottom line: Your post is just another BS-post asking for more censorship, which is already happening too much also in the west. We can't even the say the word **** in this forum without getting the censorship stars.

So in general, I'm doing my part in blasting any newbies to hell, who have the nerve to ask for lenience just because "it's their first time" or "because I'm young". Spare us the requests for doublestandards.

So... asking for an option to filter out swearing and obscene behavior from an INDIVIDUAL's experience is now "censorship?" Based on that "logic" people have the "right" to make obscene phone calls to your house or send you insulting emails and you shouldn't be able to filter them out. Nobody here is asking for some system that bans people for typing a bad word - they would just like the ability to not have to listen to childish spewing all match.

Freedom of speech does not mean you have a right to an audience, and I have the right to not be forced to listen to childish and insulting behavior.

It also amazes me that asking people to behavior with a level of maturity beyond that of a bunch of screaming monkeys is now considered "censorship" by some people. Sad that the child in question probably displays more maturity than those who wish to defend their "right" to act like spiteful dolts.

Oh, and nice move targeting new players, particularly kids. That's a real show of "skill" - killing people who have no idea what they are doing - and I'm sure will help the game grow... right... *rolls eyes in disgust*

I can truthfully say I'd rather have a 6-year old as a wingman than the trolls that have come out on this thread defending their "right" to act like twits and single out newbies for "special attention."

Edited by oldradagast, 18 October 2013 - 05:40 AM.

[Hammerhai]

Wow, Trolls DO regenerate, after all.
rolly, there are many good groups out there.
Try these guys
the-bwc.com.
I think your son is a little young, but teach em early, and who knows? I do know they have a "everybody gets to drop" policy.

Faling that maybe we get Wispsy, Vassago Rain and a few others to sync drop with you and ride shotgun? Would be nice as an object lesson to oh so many.

[Rasc4l]

oldradagast, on 18 October 2013 - 05:35 AM, said:

So... asking for an option to filter out swearing and obscene behavior from an INDIVIDUAL's experience is now "censorship?" Based on that "logic" people have the "right" to make obscene phone calls to your house or send you insulting emails and you shouldn't be able to filter them out. Nobody here is asking for some system that bans people for typing a bad word - they would just like the right to not have to listen to childish spewing all match.

The feature to turn off the chat has been requested many times and certainly there should be that function. I also agree that no one should be forced to listen to "childish spewing" if they don't want to.

oldradagast, on 18 October 2013 - 05:35 AM, said:

Freedom of speech does not mean you have a right to an audience, and I have the right to not be forced to listen to childish and insulting behavior.

Agreed. My point here was simply this: OP's quotes of the things that was said do NOT go over any kind of obscene or insulting threshold, not NEAR. It's just guys playing a computer game and responding to a silly double standard request.
So I also agree that people shouldn't have to listen to BS if they don't like but this was not that.

oldradagast, on 18 October 2013 - 05:35 AM, said:

It also amazes me that asking people to behavior with a level of maturity beyond that of a bunch of screaming monkeys is now considered "censorship" by some people. Sad that the child in question probably displays more maturity than those who wish to defend their "right" to act like spiteful dolts.

And it amazes me that you choose to troll and claim that I said things that I didn't. They didn't seem like screaming monkeys, the only reason you think so is because there is a child involved and you appear hysterical as we were stealing his teddy bear. We basically seem to agree on the issue quite a lot, I just draw the line of "abusive behaviour" a BIT higher. Also, you seem to be of the opinion that it's ok to ask other people treat you better than they treat other people? Hmmm.

So what the OP quotes was said to him are in no way offensive to anyone who has been in a normal school. What ticked me off here was that this seemed just another "But the kids!" -argument, which are exactly the kinds of arguments, which have lead to this current situation (I see stars when I say ****), which to me is silly in a game where we simulate WARFARE, which includes KILLING people, which is a lot worse thing than bad language.

oldradagast, on 18 October 2013 - 05:35 AM, said:

Oh, and nice move targeting new players. That's a real show of "skill" - killing people who have no idea what they are doing - and I'm sure will help the game grow... right.

There are training grounds to learn the basics.

[rolly]

Derrpy, on 17 October 2013 - 12:35 PM, said:

Christ you really like playing the internet {Noble MechWarrior} dont you...... how many poor people have you saved for us awful trolls?

it the internet its a nasty place that is unsuited for children, so no it does not bother me, if you cant handle the heat stay out of the fire. people should be respectful of others yes, however we dont live in a utopia so thats not gonna happen and it does not happen on the internet ether no matter how much it offends you.

Stephen fry sums it up wonderfully.

Interesting use of a quote. Stephen Fry are actually taking action to better the world for others than himself. So yes the net is not a utopia, the difference here is he's willing to do his part to try and make it better.

As this discussion is going off topic, I will attempt to refocus it. This topic is a challenge to the MWO community to be better. Not internet as a whole. Not about parenting styles. Nor society at large.

This topic is just about how we play this game an interact with one another as it grows.

Not sure if you folks have figured it out. But this challenge post really just highlights some of the behaviour that we as a whole turn a blind eye to and tacitly accept as the "norm".

Thanks again all those that took the time to post constructive and diverse opinions to this challenge. Special thank you to those of you who are taking up the challenge.

Edited by rolly, 18 October 2013 - 06:01 AM.

[Fut]

This thread... just wow.

Although I don't agree with it, I can sort of understand the attitude that some people have - that they shouldn't have to alter their behavour because somebody else has their kid playing the game. Seems like most people these days are really self-centered, so it's not a surprise to hear these sorts of comments coming around.

What perplexes me though, is the type of person who would go out of their way to either attack that kid in game, or purposely use extreme profanity. Seriously what the hell is wrong with people now-a-days?

Society needs a reboot, let's hope that Ison smashes into us next month.

[oldradagast]

Rasc4l, on 18 October 2013 - 05:51 AM, said:

Also, you seem to be of the opinion that it's ok to ask other people treat you better than they treat other people? Hmmm.

So what the OP quotes was said to him are in no way offensive to anyone who has been in a normal school. What ticked me off here was that this seemed just another "But the kids!" -argument, which are exactly the kinds of arguments, which have lead to this current situation (I see stars when I say ****), which to me is silly in a game where we simulate WARFARE, which includes KILLING people, which is a lot worse thing than bad language.

There are training grounds to learn the basics.

I get what you're saying, but the OP wasn't asking for "special treatment" for himself - he was asking it for his child. I don't see how that's abnormal. I'm not in favor of sheltering kids, but a 6-year old? Come on - nobody that young needs to hear a pile of profanity and then be targeted for destruction because he "dares" interrupt the serious business of giant robots killing each other in a video game.

As for this "being war" - it's also a game. Nothing wrong with roleplaying, I hope to see more of that as CW comes into being. Sure, call out your enemy faction on whatever crimes they've committed, be in MWO or in the lore, but just cursing them out? That's just hollow and lacking in creativity, IMHO. We're all better than that, and the game world is rich enough to deserve better than that.

Finally, while everyone should start in the training grounds, we're fooling ourselves if we think our K/D ratio is so important that kids shouldn't play. Where else will the future generation of Battletech fans come from? Probably not from sitting around a table, playing the old tabletop game (as much fun as it is) - video games are the new way to bring people into the fold, so let's welcome them, not scare them off.

Edited by oldradagast, 18 October 2013 - 08:11 AM.

[Pht]

Derrpy, on 17 October 2013 - 02:26 PM, said:

Honestly i don't care about kids,...

Which by extension means that you don't care about adults or anyone else - because it is our childhood that forms us as people for the rest of our lives.

I hope you hold this position due to simple ignorance because you haven't thought it's implications out.

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i don't think they need to be sheltered from the reality's of life.

This is a sad excuse for your - or anyone's - rotten behavior.

Beyond that, do you think there's ANYTHING that anyone should be "sheltered from?"

If you really, really want to use this excuse, you should also recognize that people are "sheltered from" things by not having them happen to them. Should everyone have the laundry list happen to them? After all, they're sheltered if they haven't had them happen to them.

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I understand that people should be decent however many are not so should we try and change the perspective of every {LT-MOB-25} end on the internet with a forum post?

... and you know that my intent is to "change your perspective" ... how?

Did it ever occur to you that I could simply be pointing out the necessary fruits of your line of reasoning to you?

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no you just get over it and realize people don't change.

You've never seen anyone change; Therefore, nobody can change, right?

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i harbor no ill will towards you, i just don't understand why your so obsessed with trying to get the internet to play nice, it wont happen.

Sometimes it's better to ask why someone is doing something than presume you know why they're doing it.

PGI really, REALLY needs to put in an option to /ignore "name" or someting like that.

Edited by Pht, 19 October 2013 - 03:57 PM.