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[TexAce]

MoonUnitBeta, on 12 October 2013 - 08:25 PM, said:

Thank goodness this is just a game where anybody can have fun playing it, right? I doubt you even dropped with him anyways. Your elo rating is probably the highest in the entire game. ever. and you're the bestest player on every team you join hands down. And you can take on 12 mechs at once and just kill em all can't you?

AND....as he says...he gets paid for it

[Karazyr]

gotta protect the little tots eh, we have to make it a very safe space with no hash words or anything!

in reality your kids learn far harsher words on the school playground than from any game so a chat filter is not necessary please don't try and make mechwarrior child friendly that's all we need.

[Karazyr]

Rakshasa, on 13 October 2013 - 03:46 AM, said:

Agreed, though given how some elements of the MWO forums community routinely and spectacularly dredge the deepest depths of self-importance, egotistical entitlement and wretched behavior, it's not surprising. Depressing to observe, absolutely, but not surprising.

Ordinarily, you'd think that a "challenge" to act decently and help new and possibly younger players adjust and enjoy themselves in an internet game about giant robots wouldn't even be required but, as this thread has shown us, imaginary giant robots are clearly very srs bsns for some people.

my god some people really don't understand irony do they?

i was jokeing with that post but honestly i feel that way, why the hell should i censor myself because of a kid? kids are not special nor should they have special rights because they are a kid, if you bring them into any competitive arena then there will be harsh words and comments about peoples mother hurled around, its just how it goes your kid wont be harmed by such words, nor should we change our behavior to accommodate such players.

asking us to change our entire gameplay to accommodate ONE player is incredibly selfish that would be the reason why everyone aims for them first, because frankly why the hell should we care about whos controlling it?

internet 101 its a harsh place time to get used to it.

[Kunae]

Butane9000, on 13 October 2013 - 12:12 PM, said:

Drop by the House Marik Team Speak sometime OP. We'll run you in a pre-made 4 or 12 man and make sure your son gets a good experience. I'm sure other houses would also do this.

Here's the link to our thread on these forums.

I would not recommend this. There is only an expectation of PG-13 behavior.

If you wish to shelter your child, and still allow them to play adult online games, you'd be best to find a Christian, family-based, unit to drop with. One that has fairly draconian rules on behavior.

"The Seraphim" is one example of a unit you may wish to explore.

Edited by Kunae, 15 October 2013 - 07:29 AM.

[Rakshasa]

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my god some people really don't understand irony do they?

i was jokeing with that post but honestly i feel that way, why the hell should i censor myself because of a kid? kids are not special nor should they have special rights because they are a kid, if you bring them into any competitive arena then there will be harsh words and comments about peoples mother hurled around, its just how it goes your kid wont be harmed by such words, nor should we change our behavior to accommodate such players.

asking us to change our entire gameplay to accommodate ONE player is incredibly selfish that would be the reason why everyone aims for them first, because frankly why the hell should we care about whos controlling it?

internet 101 its a harsh place time to get used to it.

I wasn't speaking of you in particularly Derrpy, just some of the responses here in general. And this post isn't aimed at you personally either - it's a general sorta thing.

The key thing is, the OP isn't asking people to change their entire behavior - just to put in the entire half-calorie's worth of effort it requires the average human being to act in a friendly and respectful manner when a kid or new player is present and maybe requires a little help to adjust. That's not selfish, that's an appeal to basic maturity.

None of the negative feedback folks have posted in this thread so far has provided much in the way of justification for acting poorly towards new or younger members of the community beyond "I'll do what I want!" or "It's the internet, derp" - neither of which are particularly compelling arguments. It takes a negligible amount of personal effort to do what the OP is suggesting - less effort than it takes to even type out a post in this thread, in fact - and if for some reason you can't be pleasant or accommodating then it takes precisely zero effort to say nothing and endure the presence of a new player on your team for the entirety of a single match.

MWO, and the community that comprises it, is the combined sum of what each of us puts into it - justifying acting like a tool because "that's the way things are" doesn't wash. It doesn't have to be rainbows and unicorn farts as far as the eye can see - in fact, given the setting and subject material the game is based on, it shouldn't be. But a poisonous atmosphere of disregard, entitlement and miserable behavior is equally unpleasant, and might even be damaging to the growth of the game and its playerbase in the long run. If you can't be a part of making MWO a more enjoyable experience for all, for whatever reason, then just remember that nothing is compelling you to be a bag of {Richard Cameron} either.

Edited by Rakshasa, 15 October 2013 - 04:23 PM.

[Butane9000]

Kunae, on 15 October 2013 - 07:27 AM, said:

I would not recommend this. There is only an expectation of PG-13 behavior.

If you wish to shelter your child, and still allow them to play adult online games, you'd be best to find a Christian, family-based, unit to drop with. One that has fairly draconian rules on behavior.

"The Seraphim" is one example of a unit you may wish to explore.

[Hellen Wheels]

rolly, on 12 October 2013 - 03:52 PM, said:

....Sadly there were a few who took this as an opportunity to talk smack.....

I've reported many a player with the tag line, "This is why I can't let my grandkids play MWO...."

There should be at least two simple switch commands, a la

/all chat off

and

/SQUELCH "offending player's name"

that we could use to rid ourselves of these miscreants. Problem solved.

I could code that for them for a nominal fee.

=H=

Edited by Hellen Wheels, 15 October 2013 - 02:43 PM.

[Pht]

Really the best anyone can do is attempt to be a non-smug example of maturity... which will make some really like you ... and some will revile you for it.

[Pht]

Derrpy, on 15 October 2013 - 07:07 AM, said:

gotta protect the little tots eh, we have to make it a very safe space with no hash words or anything!

So, trying to do our best for those under our care is now wrong?

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in reality your kids learn far harsher words on the school playground than from any game so a chat filter is not necessary please don't try and make mechwarrior child friendly that's all we need.

This is a good example of why people should really think their positions through ... by this standard you could justify something as utterly ludicrous as "your kids will be exposed to theives, so don't stop them from becoming thieves." If theivery doesn't bother you, just remove it and insert something that DOES. The argument will work equally for all immoral acts.

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Supression of desires and actions is not in and of itself wrong. If it were, it would have to be said that it would be wrong for the taxman to supress his desires to take everything you own.

Edited by Pht, 15 October 2013 - 04:01 PM.

[Karazyr]

Pht, on 15 October 2013 - 03:33 PM, said:

So, trying to do our best for those under our care is now wrong?



This is a good example of why people should really think their positions through ... by this standard you could justify something as utterly ludicrous as "your kids will be exposed to theives, so don't stop them from becoming thieves." If theivery doesn't bother you, just remove it and insert something that DOES. The argument will work equally for all immoral acts.

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Supression of desires and actions is not in and of itself wrong. If it were, it would have to be said that it would be wrong for the taxman to supress his desires to take everything you own.

you know that is not what i meant, thievery will get you jailed, learning that not everyone is going to treat you like a extra special snowflake is just a life lesson.

frankly being overprotective of ones children is detrimental to the development of kids, coming onto a forum about a competitive game and saying "guys please don't be nasty to my kid hes new" in the chat box is just giving him up to the wolves, you cant expect a community that is based of blowing the **** out of each other for points to suddenly develop in game morals.

if i ever have a kid (which is unlikely because my girlfriend and I do not want them) i will teach them how to act online, how to not become a target of trolls.

[Pht]

Derrpy, on 15 October 2013 - 06:26 PM, said:

you know that is not what i meant, thievery will get you jailed, learning that not everyone is going to treat you like a extra special snowflake is just a life lesson.

I didn't say that you meant theivery is right.

I simply showed how the argument you used can be used to morally justify anything and is therefore a bad argument.

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frankly being overprotective of ones children is detrimental to the development of kids, coming onto a forum about a competitive game and saying "guys please don't be nasty to my kid hes new" in the chat box is just giving him up to the wolves, ...

He wasn't being overprotective nor doing what you're accusing him of doing.

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you cant expect a community that is based of blowing the **** out of each other for points to suddenly develop in game morals.

So, kids playing cops and robbers are perfectly justified in being utterly immoral jerks... and only because they're playing cops and robbers?

Worse yet, the police get paid for putting away bad guys; that fits your argument. Does that mean they're justified to do whatever they want?

[Karazyr]

Pht, on 15 October 2013 - 07:04 PM, said:

I didn't say that you meant theivery is right.

I simply showed how the argument you used can be used to morally justify anything and is therefore a bad argument.



He wasn't being overprotective nor doing what you're accusing him of doing.



So, kids playing cops and robbers are perfectly justified in being utterly immoral jerks... and only because they're playing cops and robbers?

Worse yet, the police get paid for putting away bad guys; that fits your argument. Does that mean they're justified to do whatever they want?

Straw man away , it does not bother me.

i am simply saying that going onto a PvP game and asking people to go easy on you is moronic, people seem to forget that this is just a game, you can try and inflate your own ego by saying we are sportsmanlike and honorable but in truth we are just like the rest of the gaming community .

since your a fan of strawmaning let me reiterate my point: Asking people to be super nice and treat people like sportsmen in a game online is moronic, it will never happen because anonymity makes people act like cockends.

[Pht]

Derrpy, on 15 October 2013 - 07:26 PM, said:

Straw man away , it does not bother me.

I've not misrepresented the form of the argument youv'e been using - and that is what I have addressed; the argument you've used.

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i am simply saying that going onto a PvP game and asking people to go easy on you is moronic,...

Why? ... Simply because that's been your experience?

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...people seem to forget that this is just a game, you can try and inflate your own ego by saying we are sportsmanlike and honorable but in truth we are just like the rest of the gaming community.

So, it's impossible that anybody could be "sportsmanlike and honorable" in this community? If you don't think it's impossible, how can you believe you've posted here?

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Asking people to be super nice and treat people like sportsmen in a game online is moronic, it will never happen because anonymity makes people act like cockends.

So, anonymity makes it impossible for people to behave in any way other than selfish immaturity?

Ok. I accept your conclusion, therefore, because you're anonymous here, everyone should ignore your posts in this thread, because you're just making your posts for the selfish and immature reasons.

Probably because you enjoy being selfish and immature and detest anyone pointing our your selfish immaturity to you, and the idea that you could have fun without being such is is foriegn to you.

Edited by Pht, 15 October 2013 - 08:10 PM.

[Edson Drake]

As you can see OP, maybe MWO isn't the right game for your son.

As a general rule, as nowadays I play in a group with TS, I don't even read the chat anymore, much better that way. A group is key, but I don't know if they would accept a young one, but it is worth a try.

There's nothing wrong playing with a kid, as everyone has the right to have fun, despite some comments in here. It won't be pretty for him, but as I have witnessed myself, there are kids that play videogames much, much better than some adults, so there's nothing wrong having him give it a try(and getting good at it).

And as you can see, you can't expect people being rational by explaining you are playing with him, just avoid pointing that out in-game or you're in a road to frustration.

[Karazyr]

Pht, on 15 October 2013 - 08:07 PM, said:

I've not misrepresented the form of the argument youv'e been using - and that is what I have addressed; the argument you've used.



Why? ... Simply because that's been your experience?



So, it's impossible that anybody could be "sportsmanlike and honorable" in this community? If you don't think it's impossible, how can you believe you've posted here?



So, anonymity makes it impossible for people to behave in any way other than selfish immaturity?

Ok. I accept your conclusion, therefore, because you're anonymous here, everyone should ignore your posts in this thread, because you're just making your posts for the selfish and immature reasons.

Probably because you enjoy being selfish and immature and detest anyone pointing our your selfish immaturity to you, and the idea that you could have fun without being such is is foriegn to you.

yes people should ignore me, its crystal clear what i am doing

I will enjoy my selfish immaturity because why the f*ck not? if you are offended on the internet you may as well be ******* in the face of a stiff wind for all the good it will do you.

[a little fluffy bunny]

Challenge: Rejected.

[Ryokens leap]

Jammerben87, on 14 October 2013 - 01:52 AM, said:

You need to go stick your head back up your arse somewhere else.

Seriously? He is not going to be good so he can't play the same game as me? Wow. Some people's views amaze me.

Why dont u and the rest of the diaper brigade start ur own ts channel and congregate there for play dates. Nothing worse than a group having to wait while dad has a kid issue to deal with.

[-Muta-]

A report system that actually work will be the solution

[Hellen Wheels]

Ryokens leap, on 16 October 2013 - 09:33 AM, said:

Why dont u and the rest of the diaper brigade start ur own ts channel and congregate there for play dates. Nothing worse than a group having to wait while dad has a kid issue to deal with.

I hereby nominate Ryokens leap for the first MechDarwin award:

Unlimited contracts, fellas, as soon as PGI dries the ink.

Take 'm out.

=H=

[Ryokens leap]

Hellen Wheels, on 16 October 2013 - 03:39 PM, said:

I hereby nominate Ryokens leap for the first MechDarwin award:

Unlimited contracts, fellas, as soon as PGI dries the ink.

Take 'm out.

=H=

Cool, I can play The Pie-eyed Piper and lead all ur kids mechs off a cliff. XOXO.