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#321
Posted 08 December 2011 - 08:09 AM
Could the trade be in technology versus control?
Faction players get better mech and equipment but less say-so in how they use them.
Mercs do whatever they want but are more limited in technology available.
That seems to be consistent with the canon, maybe that's how they will balance things in MWO.
I'm a little verklempt, talk amongst yourselves.
#322
Posted 08 December 2011 - 08:12 AM
Dihm, on 08 December 2011 - 08:08 AM, said:
I think I'd much prefer to see a Loyalty level instead of having LP determine Rank. You already have this in the canon as well, with certain regiments of uncertain loyalty, some are fanatical.
Loyalty levels...
Disloyal
Uncertain
blah
blah
blah
Fanatical
Fill in however many you need.
That way, you could still have it unlock benefits for you, but it doesn't give people a false sense of entitlement, and doesn't lead to rank bloat. You'd still be able to organize your unit and give it structure as the players of that unit saw fit. I guess you run into the problem of who the CO is... ugh, I don't know.
#323
Posted 08 December 2011 - 08:22 AM
Speculation though is going to eventually run us around in circles until we know more, which is why I'm going to stop speculating for the present and just focus on re-reading the current information.
#324
Posted 08 December 2011 - 10:14 AM
They did not say anything about you being a 'House' mechwarrior. So its not like you will have people above you who you didn't put into that position in the first place. Only exception is if you are joining a group, obviously some of those members might be idiots, but because you are the new guy... lol
Dihm, I am sure things will be more clear once we see the system in game etc.. As of right now all we have is text on a screen, no numbers, nothing so no worries.
#325
Posted 08 December 2011 - 10:21 AM
Wouldn't mercenaries by default be working for one faction or another under contract?
#326
Posted 08 December 2011 - 10:23 AM
Skwisgaar Skwigelf, on 08 December 2011 - 10:21 AM, said:
Wouldn't mercenaries by default be working for one faction or another under contract?
I think that Faction players would be merc units who pledge to the house rather then house warriors themselves, or that's how I see things at the moment. Its like PK said a lot is just text with now mechanics known yet.
#327
Posted 08 December 2011 - 10:42 AM
Skwisgaar Skwigelf, on 08 December 2011 - 10:21 AM, said:
Wouldn't mercenaries by default be working for one faction or another under contract?
A Mercenary without any affiliation is just that, a Mercenary. Sorta like the highest bidder, where they do not care who they work for so long as the c-bills are put into the bank!
On the flip side, there are House Mercenary units. In the novels they are used widely depending on the House/Faction. The main difference in these groups compared to regular House units is that the Mercenary group is not directly commanded by the House. They are hired on a contract for said contract specifications. They can technically break that contract, but no one would hire them after it. Also a difference is some Mercenary groups are loyal to the faction, but want to have that leeway and control that a Mercenary would give their commander.
Very good question though, but there is still more we don't know that comes out of this Wed. news release! haha
#328
Posted 08 December 2011 - 10:42 AM
Honestly I see the rank structure as more of a honorary title, which allows you to have some different skins/mechs, they need a way to reward time spent in game (although I'm not a fan of LP decay, as I think it serves little purpose other than punishing peeps, that's a stick...we were promised all carrots, remember?).
I suspect the decay rate to be quite low, (at low levels, at high levels I bet it's pretty severe) so everyone freaking out about it will be able to calm down.
Good luck keeping the podcast to an hour this week, that was an Atlas of info they just dropped on us.
#330
Posted 08 December 2011 - 12:11 PM
phelanjkell, on 08 December 2011 - 10:14 AM, said:
They did not say anything about you being a 'House' mechwarrior. So its not like you will have people above you who you didn't put into that position in the first place. Only exception is if you are joining a group, obviously some of those members might be idiots, but because you are the new guy... lol
I didn't read it that way at all. What I got from it:
- Three play style choices-- unaffiliated, house trooper, and merc member.
- Each of those choices involves an increasing level of involvement with an increasing risk/reward. Unaffiliated (lone wolf) does not play for land and is generally just for fun. House troopers play for one of the factions, can gain and lose land for the faction, and their gains and loses from land control are spread out over the entire faction. Mercs are hired by the factions, can gain and lose land, their gains and loses are directly shared within the merc corp itself.
- Merc corps can work for any faction and can change their affiliation, but have to build up loyalty points outside of the land exchange system before being allowed to play for their own land.
#331
Posted 08 December 2011 - 12:13 PM
#332
Posted 08 December 2011 - 12:14 PM
Kudzu, on 08 December 2011 - 12:11 PM, said:
That's pretty much how I read it, but with House units being more involved than a Merc one, or involved differently anyway. That could just be personal bias in the reading though.
Edited by Dihm, 08 December 2011 - 12:14 PM.
#333
Posted 08 December 2011 - 12:33 PM
Kudzu, on 08 December 2011 - 12:11 PM, said:
- Three play style choices-- unaffiliated, house trooper, and merc member.
- Each of those choices involves an increasing level of involvement with an increasing risk/reward. Unaffiliated (lone wolf) does not play for land and is generally just for fun. House troopers play for one of the factions, can gain and lose land for the faction, and their gains and loses from land control are spread out over the entire faction. Mercs are hired by the factions, can gain and lose land, their gains and loses are directly shared within the merc corp itself.
- Merc corps can work for any faction and can change their affiliation, but have to build up loyalty points outside of the land exchange system before being allowed to play for their own land.
Good points, will take some notes from these posts when I get home. Another thing to note, is commanders are not always the best pilots, as combat skills go. Multiple aspects define a good leader, and some may not have to do with combat at all. There are many different styles of leadership as well.
I can almost imagine a Mercenary leader in MW:O being great at logistics, tactics, battle planning etc etc... It is the pilots in the Mercenary group that are the fangs of the unit.
It will be interesting to know if they will allow contracts to occur. So said Merc group is hired to do said specifications in the contract. This would be awesome..
#334
Posted 08 December 2011 - 12:48 PM
phelanjkell, on 08 December 2011 - 12:33 PM, said:
Good points, will take some notes from these posts when I get home. Another thing to note, is commanders are not always the best pilots, as combat skills go. Multiple aspects define a good leader, and some may not have to do with combat at all. There are many different styles of leadership as well.
I can almost imagine a Mercenary leader in MW:O being great at logistics, tactics, battle planning etc etc... It is the pilots in the Mercenary group that are the fangs of the unit.
It will be interesting to know if they will allow contracts to occur. So said Merc group is hired to do said specifications in the contract. This would be awesome..
PGI also said that there would be a lot more to battle than purely grug punching your opponent with an assault mech. It stands to reason that you can gain faction through support and information warfare as well.
Maybe a command system like BF2/2142 will allow good commanders to gain a lot of faction points.
#335
Posted 08 December 2011 - 12:53 PM
#336
Posted 08 December 2011 - 12:54 PM
phelanjkell, on 08 December 2011 - 12:33 PM, said:
Good points, will take some notes from these posts when I get home. Another thing to note, is commanders are not always the best pilots, as combat skills go. Multiple aspects define a good leader, and some may not have to do with combat at all. There are many different styles of leadership as well.
I can almost imagine a Mercenary leader in MW:O being great at logistics, tactics, battle planning etc etc... It is the pilots in the Mercenary group that are the fangs of the unit.
Well, from what I read within the LP system ranks earned do not dictate who is "in charge" of people on the battlefield, it has a lot more to do with the strategic and non-combat elements of the game.
It seems to me that house battles will initially be dictated by the devs (The FWL will attack planets A,B,C, and D today, no other options.) but as house players rank up the people at the highest ranks might get to choose for the faction to attack planet E instead of B so that that can move on to planets X, Y, and Z that have much better rewards.
Mercs pick their own leader, who then decides the ranks and accesses granted within the merc corp. (So something like: all officers of captain rank and above can pick which planets to make bids to attack, all officers of lieutenant rank and above have access to X amount of the merc corps c-bills, etc)
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I don't know if this is exactly what you wanted, but there will be contracts.
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#337
Posted 08 December 2011 - 03:39 PM
#338
Posted 08 December 2011 - 10:46 PM
#339
Posted 09 December 2011 - 12:44 AM
#340
Posted 09 December 2011 - 01:56 PM
In BattleTech 2.5 and 3.0 you could have a single cockpit target the mechs in master mode. All other cockpits that are on the masters team would then go into slave mode and would have a blue targeting reticle indicating when the master has a target locked. Then the slaving pilots would launch the LRMs which would track to the target mech until the lock is lost. One kind of neat idea here was that when in slave mode, the slaving cockpit would lose its ability to use its radar and nav systems until the slave mode was disabled.
In BattleTech:Firestorm, our current platform that is based off of the Mech 4 engine, we have the NARC beacon that serves as a homing beacon for same-team LRMs. The beacon however can be shot off, and eventually expires. Isn't the NARC beacon in the regular release of MW4?
You guys ever consider bringing people into the podcast who have worked 'behind the scenes' on these products in the past? They might offer a lot of great material that general forum members cant.
Just food for thought.
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