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[Bishop Steiner]

Wolfways, on 02 November 2013 - 10:38 PM, said:

Terrible paintjob - Check.
Huge ct - Check.
Huge head hitbox - Check.
Enough lasers to quickly overheat - Check.

I see why it's called Jester...

the joke does appear to be on the buyer.

I always laugh when I run into those 4 llaser K2s, as they do moderate damage even to my Medium Mechs before heat leaves them crippled, or they have to spread their cooldowns so much, they really don't impress.

High Heat K2s only do "good" as long as they get ignored. Moment they get focused on...pop they go.

[Iacov]

i play a high heat k2 (2mg,2lplas,2erppc) and play it as what it was intended to be: a second line fire support mech
as long as i can stay on long range i use the erppcs...
and as soon as it gets brawly, i use the large pulses and the mgs...
no high alpha, but good sustained damage if you know when to use erppcs and when not

if i want to be in the center of a brawl...then i'd switch for a heavier heavy or an assault...or a centurion

the jester will be as fine as a fire support platform...
but being "merely" a 6E platform doesn't make him really worth the money, except for the cbill bonus
an awesome 9m (i think)-solution would be nice: ct has 4 hardpoints of two different weapon types...and it's up to your liking, without being cheesy, that'd be great

[Alistair Winter]

Bishop Steiner, on 03 November 2013 - 06:45 AM, said:

the joke does appear to be on the buyer.
I always laugh when I run into those 4 llaser K2s, as they do moderate damage even to my Medium Mechs before heat leaves them crippled, or they have to spread their cooldowns so much, they really don't impress.
High Heat K2s only do "good" as long as they get ignored. Moment they get focused on...pop they go.

Well, that's generally the case with any Catapult. They seem to be made of balsawood and old pretzels. But I have a pretty good time in my K2 with 4 LLs and XL315. I even have a couple of MGs on there, just as a slap in the face for those who doubt me.

I did prefer my 2LPL+2LL Catapult though, before the pulse nerf. I almost felt bad for my opponents when I ran that build.

[Iacov]

yeah, lplas run extremely hot since the nerf...yet i feel i have more "control" were the damage goes to, when swarmed by lights...fending them off with llas is definately tougher than with pulse lasers

in generel, the "CB chassis" feel more "specialised" so that they need to be fielded in a team...incorporating teamwork and stuff

therefore i'm excited to see, if the jester will have more than 6 hardpoints

[Levon K]

Unfortunately, they are not allowed to make a decent hero mech.

The P2W police would have a field day.

Rather than stirring up that shitstorm, they'll present to you another hero mech that is outclassed by something else in the game.

Note: I couldn't vote because there is no appropriate option. I'll buy it because I love mechwarrior and I have money.

[Capt Sternn]

I will buy it if its 2B/4E/2AMS with JJ and 3 Modules. Otherwise no deal

[Malleus011]

I'll buy it if, like the Fang and Flame, there's an alternate version that doesn't offend the eyes.

[Fenris Krinkovich]

Great, another P2W Hero Mech. How are the rest of us supposed to be on a level field with DOUBLE AMS? WTG PGI

[Amsro]

Capt Sternn, on 03 November 2013 - 08:35 AM, said:

I will buy it if its 2B/4E/2AMS with JJ and 3 Modules. Otherwise no deal

Start walking away then, cause the ballistics are off the counter, even missles -------- > door is that way.

Seriously the only questions left are;

-ECM ...... in dreams of heavy mech pilots everywhere!
-JJ .......... the only bad thing about the K2
-Engine .. XL315 up to maybe a XL350?
-Energy... Looks to be 6 maybe 7... dare we hope 8?

A balanced 2B+2M+2E would have been solid though!

[80sGlamRockSensation David Bowie]

MeiSooHaityu, on 31 October 2013 - 08:06 AM, said:

Untill I hear more stats, I suppose I will TRY and keep an open mind.

With anything PGI related, this is a horrible way to set yourself up for disappointment.

It does have JJ's but no ecm. Either way, never keep an open mind with PGI

[NRP]

Has PGI posted specs for it yet? If not, when will they?

[FupDup]

NRP, on 04 November 2013 - 07:50 AM, said:

Has PGI posted specs for it yet? If not, when will they?

Hero specs only get posted when they get released (or if Smurfys finds their stats in the game files).

[Kyynele]

Capt Sternn, on 03 November 2013 - 08:35 AM, said:

I will buy it if its 2B/4E/2AMS with JJ and 3 Modules. Otherwise no deal

Your money is safe.

That will never happen.

That'd be K2, but better. Plain obvious P2W for everyone. PGI is trying to avoid obvious P2W, which is commendable (because it is obvious that people would definitely buy P2W mechs), and at least they're getting that bit quite right.

[MeiSooHaityu]

Capt Sternn, on 03 November 2013 - 08:35 AM, said:

I will buy it if its 2B/4E/2AMS with JJ and 3 Modules. Otherwise no deal

Kyynele, on 04 November 2013 - 07:55 AM, said:

Your money is safe.

That will never happen.

That'd be K2, but better. Plain obvious P2W for everyone. PGI is trying to avoid obvious P2W, which is commendable (because it is obvious that people would definitely buy P2W mechs), and at least they're getting that bit quite right.

Considering that a Jager or Cataphract can do that or better, is it really P2W? I suppose it is far superior than the other Catapults, but not compared to the competition of other Heavies. IMO, calling that P2W is debatable.

Edited by MeiSooHaityu, 04 November 2013 - 09:08 AM.

[Iacov]

with the current meta, it would only be p2w if a hero had in increased limit until ghost heat kicks in
or if it had an increased heat limit...
or an increased tonnage...
that would be p2w aka "advantage"
but having different hardpoints and more loadouts? what could be p2w about that?

[C E Dwyer]

As its a non missile variant, if it hasn't got JJ's I see no point in buying it, as it'll play like a k2

The fact it looks like a pile of vomit after an overdose of M&M's dosn't help it either

[NRP]

People use the "pay to win" gripe way too much, and we get some pretty underwhelming hero mechs because of it. I wish PGI would just ignore these morons.

[Kyynele]

MeiSooHaityu, on 04 November 2013 - 09:08 AM, said:

Considering that a Jager or Cataphract can do that or better, is it really P2W? I suppose it is far superior than the other Catapults, but not compared to the competition of other Heavies. IMO, calling that P2W is debatable.

Well, I personally consider Firebrand to be probably the best hero in the game, and likely the best Jager in the game. Yet the other Jagers have strong builds that you can't put in the FB.

4E + 2B + 2AMS + 3 modules + JJs in a hero Catapult would completely and utterly obsolete the K2. There'd be nothing that the K2 could do that the hero couldn't. It would just be a bad variant for the people who don't spend real money. This is what I would call serious P2W. Also, it would be awful game design. I would also like to point out that I have all the hero mechs except for Fang in the game, so this isn't about me whining about how unfair it is having to spend money for good stuff. I'm trying to point out why the aforementioned suggestion is bad design, and why it won't happen.

The only way this could happen would be if the variant is severely gimped in some other way.

If some people can't understand why it's bad to have variants that don't have any function except being in every way worse than the others, there isn't anything more I can do to help. But I am sorry that it won't be a K2 with more stuff. I'll send bananas to everyone if I'm wrong.

Edited by Kyynele, 04 November 2013 - 10:02 AM.

[NRP]

Why the hell should PGI cater to people who don't spend real money on the game? Those people don't do a damn thing for the game, other than add a lot of whiny noise.

[Kyynele]

NRP, on 04 November 2013 - 10:07 AM, said:

Why the hell should PGI cater to people who don't spend real money on the game? Those people don't do a damn thing for the game, other than add a lot of whiny noise.

Why should PGI devote any development time to add mechs that don't have any function besides being cheap substitutes for cheap people? Nobody would play the K2, the people with money would play the Jester and people without money would just play other mechs that aren't clearly bad variants. The K2 would be useless. You can forget about P2W too, if this super-K2 was a CB-bought mech, it would still be plain broken.

I'm sorry if you have no experience in game design to see the point.