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[PropagandaWar]

The last couple weeks I have been noticing a lot of "My team sucks, You Guys Suck, Learn to Play" etc., etc. Being popped off. Is this the new player base were expected to deal with? I ask because these guys saying such thing begining of the game/mid game/end game all seem to have very low damage and next to zero assit. A couple times these little know nothings start touting this nonsense mid game when you may be down 2-3 mechs and yet the team turns it around.

If so we should have the right to identitfy and terminate them out of the gate. I mean if they want to troll why can't we?

I don't know why I am bothering to post this I guess I'm just bored and this stuck in my head.

Anywho have a good day.

[Roadbeer]

In my cycle of bacon laced Marik propaganda posts that I start each match with I have...

"PRO TIP: If you constantly find yourself on bad teams, maybe the teams aren't the problem"

I've often found that those who claim their team is {Scrap}, are usually the first to die, and have very poor grammatical skills.

[Sirgrant]

This post sucks! Just kidding, I notice this too. Sort of glad there is no VoIP in pug drops, I think I'd leave the game with so much negativity.
I'm wondering if there could be an "ignore" option that would prevent problematic players from dropping with you. Of course, this would probably be exploited somehow...

[Zerberus]

TO me it`s always been pretty obvious that the best backseat drivers usually don`t do too well when behind the wheel themselves... otherwise they wouldn`t have had time to get so good at backseat driving.

Mechwarrior is no different

[PropagandaWar]

Zerberus, on 01 November 2013 - 12:14 PM, said:

TO me it`s always been pretty obvious that the best backseat drivers usually don`t do too well when behind the wheel themselves... otherwise they wouldn`t have had time to get so good at backseat driving.

Mechwarrior is no different

lol I hear ya. Either I'm blind or this just started happening frequently. Of course Il'l talk trash back and they can't answer especially when end game results come up. I mean if your going to die and stick around either learn by watching or let people know Delta the Atlas is Ct'd red, not how terrible you percieve the team to be because you went full RAMBO without your underwear. Without a real command feature thats the best time to be in the command room seat and attempt to help your peeps. To me thats when Mechcommander comes in and like that game they either listen to you or they dont lol.

[Ronan]

I suck. Sometimes more, sometimes less. I can't blame the team for that! I do however get stuck on some real stinkers of teams sometimes... but I don't throw anything in chat about it. If I've gone and over extended myself and die quick, its my own fault. I will then try to backseat drive in a constructive way. Type out "LRMS have min range" or "Small lasers don't shoot that far." But never "you" or "you guys" or "this team" sucks. That's just rude and not helpful.

(Yeah, I've had some 6 kill/900 damage rounds too... I don't suck all the time.)

tl;dr -- I've noticed the rude folks, almost always one of the first to die, blaming the team for their failings... but I don't know that it is worse recently than before.

[Roadbeer]

I'll usually respond,

"Yeah, I'm sorry we didn't all follow you on your Leroy Jenkin'sesque suicide run into Mt. Doom, I figured we'd try tactics and see where that took us, Enjoy the view from the backseat, Corky"

[Ronan]

One of the best responses I've seen to these "blamers" was simple, and I've copied it.

When they go off on their tirade against the team, simply reply "So says the dead guy." Short, to the point, and so far it has shut them up.

[Duncan Longwood]

I started playing in December of last year and it took one week to realize that the first to die is the first to whine about it. Every time someone has one of these meltdowns I think to myself, "How horrible their game experience must be to get so agitated." Which is quickly followed by the thought, "What a dumbass, I bet he didn't even hit 100 damage."

If I drop in a match and die within the first couple of minutes with little damage done (damned Locust), I will just leave the match instead of announcing how angry I am at my own ineptitude and how childish I am that I must blame everyone around me. Take it like a man-child and just yell at the screen and break some of your own stuff.

As much as I am entertained by these outbursts, I would love to have an ignore feature added to this game... or the ability to leave chat altogether. Mainly the dead use chat and that is more annoying than anything else about this game. If the mech is dead and gone, why do I still have to hear the pilot whining?

[DaZur]

It's not just MW:O...

This is just an online manifestation of our lovely blameless society where so very few people take ownership for the actions or inactions.

It's always someone else's fault...

[Kelb]

New? This is as old as competition. It is always easier to blame others rather than admit you are not the greatest and in need of improvement. Just ask them why they are not on a 12 man team.

[Alaskan Nobody]

Tip I got given back playing WoW:

"First to complain = worst on team. No exceptions"

If only because their negativity drags the rest of the team down / distracts them at potentially vital moments.

[Roadbeer]

Ronan, on 01 November 2013 - 12:28 PM, said:

One of the best responses I've seen to these "blamers" was simple, and I've copied it.

When they go off on their tirade against the team, simply reply "So says the dead guy." Short, to the point, and so far it has shut them up.

That's one of my usual responses too.

I always picture the AGK when that's going on in chat.

[Chip Danger]

This is not new.

[Sephlock]

PropagandaWar, on 01 November 2013 - 12:02 PM, said:

The last couple weeks I have been noticing a lot of "My team sucks, You Guys Suck, Learn to Play" etc., etc. Being popped off. Is this the new player base were expected to deal with? I ask because these guys saying such thing begining of the game/mid game/end game all seem to have very low damage and next to zero assit. A couple times these little know nothings start touting this nonsense mid game when you may be down 2-3 mechs and yet the team turns it around.

If so we should have the right to identitfy and terminate them out of the gate. I mean if they want to troll why can't we?

I don't know why I am bothering to post this I guess I'm just bored and this stuck in my head.

Anywho have a good day.

It's an aspect of human nature, and one which is particularly encouraged in western societies (which are heavily represented in MW:O).

[PropagandaWar]

Sephlock, on 01 November 2013 - 12:43 PM, said:

It's an aspect of human nature, and one which is particularly encouraged in western societies (which are heavily represented in MW:O).

Aight. I must be blind then. I mean I've seen flamin over the last 1+ years but I must of just been clueless of to just how much in game bling others for your failures been going on.

Edited by PropagandaWar, 01 November 2013 - 12:50 PM.

[Alaskan Nobody]

PropagandaWar, on 01 November 2013 - 12:50 PM, said:

Aight. I must be blind then. I mean I've seen flamin over the last 1+ years but I must of just been clueless of to just how much in game bling others for your failures been going on.

Probably not blind so much as awakened?
Hard for a fish to describe the sea after all

Edit: that is not meant to mean you complain, but that you grew up surrounded by it... perhaps.

Edited by Shar Wolf, 01 November 2013 - 12:51 PM.

[Deathlike]

Depending on the match, rarely I should be ragey enough to say something about the performance.

Of course, being in a Commando for a bit and watching some teammates walk into the meat grinder willingly (aka, going one route and not reacting to info presented), it's easier to complain to them after everyone dies.

I think what's most frustrating is that there is no complete tutorial for casual players to learn to play. If I have to explain how to play the game, I don't have enough time to play it myself. I don't mind being asked questions on how stuff works... but complaining how everyone else sucks when you are the first to die... I'd rather just flip you the bird.

[CaveMan]

Dying because a teammate cored your rear torso with an alpha strike, not looking where he was shooting in 4x zoom, and a random spider runs by and kills you with a laser hit.

Dying because a teammate is directly behind you, stuck on your back at full throttle, blocking you from backing up out of the way of incoming fire. This one is extra-fun in Tourmaline, because most of the traversible slopes have built-up sides that prevent you from turning and going around the human roadblock.

Having your whole lance obliterated because the other 8 people on the team, rather than engaging the enemy's flank, decided it was best to wait and see what happens when the whole enemy team starts barreling down the back road on Crimson Strait. (Last time this happened, and there have been many, the other two lances followed up after we'd all died and ran into the enemy force one at a time, because that was so helpful.)

Finding yourself alone with no support because your team brilliantly decided to set up a firing line on the wrong side of hill cover. Or because everyone in your section climbed to the top of a ridge, alpha'd until they shut down, and then got blown off the top of the hill by return fire.

Spending an entire match in an LRM mech, unable to fire because no one will lock targets, despite asking people to spot, despite the other team not having any ECM.

There are plenty of reasons to be frustrated with pug teams in this game. I'm not even what I'd consider to be a "good" player, but at least I know what the hell I'm doing most of the time, and sometimes the displays of sheer ineptitude I have to watch in spectator mode make me want to ragequit.

Of course, I also occasionally see someone try to play army-of-one and run headlong into the enemy, then call the rest of us cowards for not following suit after the inevitable happens.

[Sephlock]

The trend goes all the way back to Enkidu blaming his n00b teammates* for his untimely death.

*The "Team" being humanity.