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[ColonelMetus]

4-5 lrm 10's on chain fire that permanantly screen shake you.

everyone has seen them all over the place sense the tuesday before last.
if something isnt done PGI is going to over correct the problem like always and we will be left with useless LRMs again.

please, stop the flooding before you ruin LRM for everyone, or. nerf LRM flooding

[Amsro]

ColonelMetus, on 06 November 2013 - 09:48 PM, said:

4-5 lrm 10's on chain fire that permanantly screen shake you.

everyone has seen them all over the place sense the tuesday before last.
if something isnt done PGI is going to over correct the problem like always and we will be left with useless LRMs again.

please, stop the flooding before you ruin LRM for everyone, or. nerf LRM flooding

The steady flow of LRM 5/10/15 is like a giant tracking beacon. Cover is OP.

Edit; to be politically correct.

Edited by Amsro, 24 December 2013 - 08:24 AM.

[ColonelMetus]

Amsro, on 06 November 2013 - 10:10 PM, said:

The steady flow of LRM 5 is like a giant tracking beacon. Cover is OP.

A: Flooders use 10s or 15s.

B: it says ur dragon fire lance but then u have a picture of a frost dragon, so i ignore your opinions as wrong

[Mordin Ashe]

The obvious elephant in the room time.
AMS, anyone?

[MoonUnitBeta]

The last thing LRM's need is another nerf... @_@

But screenshake... there's something funky going on with that where it does some CRAZY blur amount. It's not even like... natural looking. The whole screenshake thing needs to be looked at and polished.

---- -buuuut i guess that won't be for a while since the rendering team is working on DX11 and then after DX11 is decals or something like that. So Q4 2014 we will see some kind of reasonable looking screenshake that isn't horrible.

Edited by MoonUnitBeta, 06 November 2013 - 10:56 PM.

[Mordin Ashe]

Agreed, LRMs are barely viable as it is. Screenshakes in general could use a nerf though, there are too many things that shake my cockpit too much. I mean, 65 tons and one missile makes me shake like a leaf in wind. Doesn't make any sence.

[Deathlike]

Did I not see a similar thread by the OP?

You should start fearing when lurms block out the sun.

[Vassago Rain]

Get good.

[Alistair Winter]

Mordin Ashe, on 06 November 2013 - 10:54 PM, said:

The obvious elephant in the room time.
AMS, anyone?

I disagree.

Obvious elephant in the room: ECM.

Oh, but didn't PGI fix ECM? Nope, they didn't. They just made a few changes that made LRMs less relevant and ECM not as big of an issue. But after several nerfs to direct fire weapons, people are bringing out their LRMs again and people are starting to remember why ECM was such a big issue.

If you find yourself and your teammates being destroyed by LRMs, have a quick look around and see how many ECM mechs are nearby. The Raven 3L on your team has been replaced by a JR7-F, the Cicada has been replaced by a Blackjack or Shadowhawk and the Atlas DDC is probably replaced by a Highlander or Battlemaster. Your ECM Spider is probably on the other side of the map, instead of giving ECM cover to your team.

Teams that still rock the ECM are doing fine. Teams that are dominated by Phoenix package builds are being pummeled by LRMs. How many people are actually using the dual AMS builds these days? Atlas K? Nope. Stalker 5S? Nope. Locust 5M with dual AMS? Nope. Jester? Maybe 25% of the Jesters I've seen have dual AMS.

Give me two teams that both have LRM boats, while only one team has decent ECM cover. 9 times out of 10, the team with ECM wins.

[Rhaythe]

My ECM laughs at your LRM flood.

(Point being: there are counters to LRMs. Like, y'know. Cover.)

[Joseph Mallan]

Alistair Winter, on 07 November 2013 - 04:41 AM, said:

I disagree.

Obvious elephant in the room: ECM.

Oh, but didn't PGI fix ECM? Nope, they didn't. They just made a few changes that made LRMs less relevant and ECM not as big of an issue. But after several nerfs to direct fire weapons, people are bringing out their LRMs again and people are starting to remember why ECM was such a big issue.

If you find yourself and your teammates being destroyed by LRMs, have a quick look around and see how many ECM mechs are nearby. The Raven 3L on your team has been replaced by a JR7-F, the Cicada has been replaced by a Blackjack or Shadowhawk and the Atlas DDC is probably replaced by a Highlander or Battlemaster. Your ECM Spider is probably on the other side of the map, instead of giving ECM cover to your team.

Teams that still rock the ECM are doing fine. Teams that are dominated by Phoenix package builds are being pummeled by LRMs. How many people are actually using the dual AMS builds these days? Atlas K? Nope. Stalker 5S? Nope. Locust 5M with dual AMS? Nope. Jester? Maybe 25% of the Jesters I've seen have dual AMS.

Give me two teams that both have LRM boats, while only one team has decent ECM cover. 9 times out of 10, the team with ECM wins.

Not My D-DC Ailistair! It is one of only 3 Mechs I use. It is almost always on the field when I am. I had fun stalking and killing 2 LRM boats in a match last night!

However it is good to see more Fire Support on the fields again.

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 07 November 2013 - 04:58 AM.

[OneEyed Jack]

Deathlike, on 06 November 2013 - 11:33 PM, said:

Did I not see a similar thread by the OP?

You should start fearing when lurms block out the sun.

Don't recall if it was the same guy, but there was definitely the same post. And it was the only other time I've ever seen the phrase "LRM Flooders."

[FupDup]

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LRM Flooding The New FoTM

Is this what they're calling 2 PPC + 2 AC/5 poptarts these days?

[Joseph Mallan]

FupDup, on 07 November 2013 - 05:22 AM, said:

Is this what they're calling 2 PPC + 2 AC/5 poptarts these days?

I've seen both, and there is nothing wrong with either build.

[FupDup]

Joseph Mallan, on 07 November 2013 - 05:24 AM, said:

I've seen both, and there is nothing wrong with either build.

I'm just saying that they're a lot more common than "LRM flooding."

[Joseph Mallan]

FupDup, on 07 November 2013 - 05:25 AM, said:

I'm just saying that they're a lot more common than "LRM flooding."

Fair enough. But wait til this baby shows up! Om Nom Nom
RFL-8D (Rifleman)

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The definitive "Project Phoenix" model, the 8D is intended as more of a line unit. It mounts two Mydron Model RC Rotary Autocannon/5s with six tons of ammunition, a pair of Bright-Blossom ER Medium Lasers, and the heaviest armor of any known Rifleman variant. Until the arrival of the -7X, this was the only known Rifleman variant to mount jump jets.

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 07 November 2013 - 05:28 AM.

[FupDup]

Joseph Mallan, on 07 November 2013 - 05:28 AM, said:

Fair enough. But wait til this baby shows up! Om Nom Nom
RFL-8D (Rifleman)

Meh. Not much better than a current Dakka Ilya. I'm more concerned about this thing:

[Redshift2k5]

This is far from new. LRMs actually feel very well balanced right now (except when you are personally in the crossfire)

There are some obvious steps you can take to mitigate LRMs, and I presume you haven't been diligent in defending yourself from LRMs. Do you bring an AMS? An ECM? I don't think anyone has a right to complain about LRMs (either in flood fire or mass fire) unless they are actually bringing the obvious, in-game LRM counter measure equipment

Edited by Redshift2k5, 07 November 2013 - 05:32 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

FupDup, on 07 November 2013 - 05:29 AM, said:

Meh. Not much better than a current Dakka Ilya. I'm more concerned about this thing:

It is a Thing. And a mean one. I look forward to the challenge of beating it. Its just as powerful as a 6 PPC Stalker is. SO I know it can be done.

[FupDup]

Joseph Mallan, on 07 November 2013 - 05:34 AM, said:

It is a Thing. And a mean one. I look forward to the challenge of beating it. Its just as powerful as a 6 PPC Stalker is. SO I know it can be done.

The 6 PPC Stalker isn't all that intimidating, though, because it has to make hefty sacrifices to fit all of those cannons. The mech picture above is a lot better because it's faster (like 72 kph after speed tweek), more armored (almost as much as an Atlas, also skinnier body frame so harder to hit), longer ranged, and with better heat management. It'll still run ultra hot under MWO's heat paradigm, but it might actually be sorta manageable. I look forward to testing out a Daishi or whatever in-game rigged with the same equipment.

Edited by FupDup, 07 November 2013 - 05:41 AM.