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[Joseph Mallan]

Ngamok, on 22 January 2014 - 09:51 AM, said:

Want !!

Me too!

[Galenit]

Tombstoner, on 22 January 2014 - 10:21 AM, said:

Part of the issue i think people have with lrms is that they inherently target the center torso. it makes chain firing 3x lrm 5's very deadly. all that damage is hitting the ct with cockpit knock. if LRMs had the same hit location mechanic as ssrms we wouldn't have as much of an issue with massed lrm swarms since the missiles would be hitting the entire mech not just the torso's.
it fulfills the lrm function of striping of armor.

Part of the issue is that only very few ams are out there ....
... same issue with ecm and bap.

Posting on the forums is better then taking ams or bap on your mech.
If you have more then 60 tons, you should have one of them,
if you have more then 80 tons, you can spare the 3 tons for both ...

Edited by Galenit, 22 January 2014 - 10:35 AM.

[Warblood]

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just saw a stalker with 5 LRM 20 with artemis kill half the enemy team

I call bull... ur telling me this killed half a team? LRM20 x5 w/ artemis
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...0b2a0bc24f4fe11

this one is more likely.. LRM20 x5
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...4108c05e7a90c46

this one might of had a better chance... LRM20 x4 w/ artemis
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...32b44b88139a805

or this.. LRM20 x4
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...9646bfc3f12311e

LRM15 x5 w/ artemis
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...5fdf3a4ff2005b5


IMO, this one prob. stand the best chance of wiping out half ur team
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...2a02ccb4a44a4ff

Edited by Warblood, 22 January 2014 - 10:57 AM.

[Cimarb]

Joseph Mallan, on 22 January 2014 - 09:40 AM, said:

Then they are not OP... Right?
And you are not Boating LRMs till you pilot a Kraken-3

8 LRM15 baby!!!

I like my LRM boats, but that is one UGLY mech, lol...

[ColonelMetus]

Tombstoner, on 22 January 2014 - 10:21 AM, said:

Part of the issue i think people have with lrms is that they inherently target the center torso. it makes chain firing 3x lrm 5's very deadly. all that damage is hitting the ct with cockpit knock. if LRMs had the same hit location mechanic as ssrms we wouldn't have as much of an issue with massed lrm swarms since the missiles would be hitting the entire mech not just the torso's.
it fulfills the lrm function of striping of armor.

he gets it!

[Lyoto Machida]

Warblood, on 22 January 2014 - 10:38 AM, said:

I call bull... ur telling me this killed half a team? LRM20 x5 w/ artemis
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...0b2a0bc24f4fe11

this one is more likely.. LRM20 x5
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...4108c05e7a90c46

this one might of had a better chance... LRM20 x4 w/ artemis
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...32b44b88139a805

or this.. LRM20 x4
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...9646bfc3f12311e

LRM15 x5 w/ artemis
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...5fdf3a4ff2005b5


IMO, this one prob. stand the best chance of wiping out half ur team
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...2a02ccb4a44a4ff

Ran into one last night...had zero armor. Was one of the first to die in the game hahaha.

[Ngamok]

ColonelMetus, on 27 January 2014 - 12:39 AM, said:

he gets it!

You are gonna get them too !!

[wanderer]

Incidentally, I should note that yes, LRMs DO aim for center of mass- but if you're not facing towards the launcher, generally that'll hit the side (or even the arm) if you aim yourself away from the source of the missiles. Case in point, I had an LRM boat peppering me- and I brought my 'Mech around to present it's armored side, which meant most of the salvo ended up hitting that arm and side torso instead. You'll still get splash damage, but it's considerably less punishing to your core. If you're moving at decent speed, it tends to spread/splash lower and hit torso/legs. Fast enough, and it's almost all splash to leg damage.

It's generally far less obvious where missiles are coming from until they hit, which means most people take the shots square on the chest and suffer more for it.

[Joseph Mallan]

Cimarb, on 22 January 2014 - 11:41 AM, said:

I like my LRM boats, but that is one UGLY mech, lol...

And what it can do to Mechs on TT is down right disgusting!

[ColonelMetus]

i think the bane looks dope but i would prefir the one with 12 ballistics

[Kjudoon]

Joseph Mallan, on 07 November 2013 - 05:28 AM, said:

Fair enough. But wait til this baby shows up! Om Nom Nom
RFL-8D (Rifleman)

It already has. It's called the Jaegermech.

[KharnZor]

3 months later and LRM's are STILL not fotm.

[Dazzer]

just had a pug were 10 of the bad guys had LRMs , a skirmish match they just parked on a hill and rained no way to get to them with out being rained on. A total team wipe , all this bull ploop about get ams etcs just does not work v this.

[Joseph Mallan]

Against that many Missiles no amount of AMS will save you. You would have suffered almost as bad against a wall of Gauss, large lasers, AC10s 5 or Ultras. Massed fire kills. And it kills quickly. There is very little that can be done to stop overlapping fields of fire... Even in real life. You have Air strikes and Artillery to break up firing lines... but they are limited even if effective in this game.

[Ngamok]

Dazzer, on 29 January 2014 - 07:35 AM, said:

just had a pug were 10 of the bad guys had LRMs , a skirmish match they just parked on a hill and rained no way to get to them with out being rained on. A total team wipe , all this bull ploop about get ams etcs just does not work v this.

Those sorts of games happen. Like Joseph said, what if they all had Ballistics and as everyone came in, they got blasted because they had a wall there? Same thing. PPCs, same.

[wanderer]

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just had a pug were 10 of the bad guys had LRMs , a skirmish match they just parked on a hill and rained no way to get to them with out being rained on. A total team wipe , all this bull ploop about get ams etcs just does not work v this.

You know what does?

Cover. LRMs are the biggest ammo hog in the game, and the solution to massed LRMs is patience.

Poke out from ridge/hill/cover of choice and snipe or just randomly draw attention until "MISSILE WARNING". Back behind cover until missiles stop impacting. Repeat. 10 guys with LRMs means next to zero spotters and no real pressure whatsoever- they're tremendous suppressive fire, but if they have nobody to flush people from cover, you can pick at them from cover all day. Boring? Not when you realize you're trolling them hardcore and eventually, those launchers go dry after inflicting minimal damage. Then, it's dinner time.

Heck, I've been known to keep an entire lance of LRM boats occupied that way for 10 minutes straight. Least two of them ran out of ammo before I even ended up with orange armor damage the last time I did it, and that was tons and tons of LRM ammo doing nothing but hitting rocks. LRMs are slow, and anything past 600m or so is plenty of time to scoot back into cover and listen to the falling, failing LRM rain.

Now, if you're dumb enough to advance out of cover with 10 people ready to shoot you? Doesn't matter what guns they are.

Enjoy spectating. You got stomped on account of brain farts.

[Cimarb]

Dazzer, on 29 January 2014 - 07:35 AM, said:

just had a pug were 10 of the bad guys had LRMs , a skirmish match they just parked on a hill and rained no way to get to them with out being rained on. A total team wipe , all this bull ploop about get ams etcs just does not work v this.

What wanderer and them said, but also realize that if they were hitting you from behind cover, the two mechs that weren't shooting LRMs were more than likely spotting from ~749 meters away somewhere. If LRMs track you even after you are out of line of sight (LOS), start looking for a raven or spider somewhere!

[Dan Nashe]

LRMs are not THE FOTH. They are pretty popular, but:
1. LRM boats are not the most common build. Direct fire acs and energy easily match it.
2. LRM boats are not competitive. See competitive 12 mans.
3. LRM boats can ONLY dominate on caustic or alpine. All other maps have tons of cover all over the map. And even then only against PUGs.
4. LRM boats are no better at picking off people than snipers.
5. A single lrm 20 is incredibly weak for 12-15 tons.with artemis and ammo. So the individual launchers are not powerful weapons.
6. LRM boat performance varies wildly from game to game depending on factors outside of the pilots control.
7. A premade lance of LRM boats is no better than a lance of anything good. (Read: min maxed-light lances, sniper lances, brawler lances can all dominate.)
8. LRMs take a lot of skill, battlefield awareness, experience and luck to use well and yet they depend on other players making mistakes. That makes the game more interesting.

[TygerLily]

Ida know...with ECM and cover, one should be...erm...covered in trying to evade LRMs. Chain fire only works best on someone in the open. If you find your self in this case, powerdown...make them lose lock. Already fire missile will still hit but they'll lose interest in a moment.

I'd call that plan Z....

[Kjudoon]

wanderer, on 29 January 2014 - 09:57 AM, said:

You know what does?

Cover. LRMs are the biggest ammo hog in the game, and the solution to massed LRMs is patience.

Poke out from ridge/hill/cover of choice and snipe or just randomly draw attention until "MISSILE WARNING". Back behind cover until missiles stop impacting. Repeat. 10 guys with LRMs means next to zero spotters and no real pressure whatsoever- they're tremendous suppressive fire, but if they have nobody to flush people from cover, you can pick at them from cover all day. Boring? Not when you realize you're trolling them hardcore and eventually, those launchers go dry after inflicting minimal damage. Then, it's dinner time.

Heck, I've been known to keep an entire lance of LRM boats occupied that way for 10 minutes straight. Least two of them ran out of ammo before I even ended up with orange armor damage the last time I did it, and that was tons and tons of LRM ammo doing nothing but hitting rocks. LRMs are slow, and anything past 600m or so is plenty of time to scoot back into cover and listen to the falling, failing LRM rain.

Now, if you're dumb enough to advance out of cover with 10 people ready to shoot you? Doesn't matter what guns they are.

Enjoy spectating. You got stomped on account of brain farts.

I'm a stone LRM pilot. I do boating and LRMishing. When I'm doing indirect fire, I watch very carefully and ration my missiles because they are my lifeblood, and if I'm not hitting after 1-2 salvos, I stop till I get actual LOS on someone or lock from a teammate saying they're in the open. Sure on some matches it is well worth firing away to keep some supressed while your brawlers come in under your protective fire (yes that works people) with no chance of hitting, you still deny them targets because sticking their nose out gets it shot off.

On the other hand, I've done precisely the type of trolling you've said I know more than a few tactics that can get me away from being hit at all even in the open, and know to have cover as close as possible and let that soak up 3, 4, 5 salvos from the enemy.

Good post.