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[Ngamok]

DyDrimer, on 08 November 2013 - 07:50 AM, said:

If we got the Marauder the forums would just whine about the CT being to big, or the arms being to easy to shoot.

Or too low to the ground.

[DyDrimer]

Dont forget the AC on top giving your position away.

[stjobe]

Joseph Mallan, on 08 November 2013 - 07:38 AM, said:

This has been invalidated by the Locust, Shadow hawk, Thunderbolt and Battlemaster being in the game, along with the coming Griffin and Wolverine.

Sorry, but it's not that easy.

The Unseen were from three different Anime shows, only one of which (Macross) HG controls. The Phoenix 'mechs were never controlled by HG - but the Marauder, Warhammer, Wasp, Stinger, Phoenix Hawk, etc are.

[DarkDevilDancer]

Yes as already answered the thunderbolt and others were not from macros so they could make those and i'm happy to own a battlemaster.

[Hans Von Lohman]

This is what I am talking about. This will probably be as close to a Marauder as we can get.

[Bounty Dogg]

DirePhoenix, on 07 November 2013 - 10:36 PM, said:

Wrong. They "can't" (notice quotes) because the COMMUNITY will flip their lids if it doesn't look like the Macross imagery, and if it looks like the Macross images, HG will sue.

We've had a legal form of Marauder to use for TEN YEARS now, a DECADE. Probably almost half the lifetime of the current community, but the COMMUNITY itself by large refuses to accept it, or even make an iteration "based" from it because it's not the Macross image.

To be fair though, the art they used to introduce the new Marauder to us back in 2003 was pretty horrible, but I blame the artist for making it look like a bunch of twigs stuck in a lump of mashed potatoes, and not so much the design itself.

Sigh......if we could just get the community on the same page.....the Marauder ingame could look like THIS:
http://fc03.devianta...ord-d548k5f.jpg

[Belorion]

Thats probably too close to the original in Harmony Golds eyes.

[DarkDevilDancer]

I dont think people are getting that HG will sue just because they can, because companies will generally settle rather than pay huge court costs.

HG has sued PGI before because they used the warhammer in a trailer back in 2009, its simply not worth them doing it.

[Allen Ward]

Why are you still asking for stock mechs that we can never have? The problems around the Unseen have been explained long time ago, several companies suffered alot from these patent right fights, PGI will not burn themselves on this.

Anyway, what would you do if you had your Warhammer or Marauder in MWO? Right, strip it off it's original loadout and do some weird super-duper ultra high damage weapon thing to it. The flair of these wonderful mechs from Battletech came from name, design and weapon loadout (which was awesome for BT but only medicore in MWO). No original Warhammer loadout would impress other heavy or assault mech in MWO anymore. Even Mediums can carry twin PPCs, a SRM6 as a backup is almost nothing. MWO is so far away from the original game that you surely can survive and enjoy without getting all Unseen to play. I run the Battlemaster in stock loadout - it's stupid, I could do much more damage with other possible loadouts, but I wanted that original Battlemaster (even if the design would not be original). And it sucks playing it. As much as it sucks that it sucks playing original canon BT stock loadouts, but it's MWO, not BT.

So forget what you have learned in Battletech and learn to enjoy playing MWO (although some other issues make this hard sometimes).

[verybad]

DarkDevilDancer, on 07 November 2013 - 06:10 PM, said:

Hasbro did a gi Joe cross over with transformers and made toys to go with it, one a f-15 with some extra bits on looked a little like the planes from macros so harmony gold did what they always do because they are patent trolls they sued.

Hasbro however didn't buckle and have decided to fight it out in court, which is bad news for HG as Hasbro has a bigger budget and didn't actually rip off robotech in the first place so the hope is they'll ruin HG.

That's the only way we'll have any chance of seeing the marauder, warhammer or riffleman.

Ooooh. If I could get a Marauder,and some of the other unseens (Warhammer, Archer etc) I'd be overjoyed.

DyDrimer, on 08 November 2013 - 07:50 AM, said:

If we got the Marauder the forums would just whine about the CT being to big, or the arms being to easy to shoot.

I'd drive a Marauder if was only a CT.

Edited by verybad, 09 November 2013 - 12:25 PM.

[Allen Ward]

Bounty Dogg, on 09 November 2013 - 05:20 AM, said:

Sigh......if we could just get the community on the same page.....the Marauder ingame could look like THIS:
http://fc03.devianta...ord-d548k5f.jpg

That design is definitely a Marauder rip-off and HG would successfully sue PGI over it. Any giant robot design that has the characteristics of a Marauder will make them smile coldly and dial their laywers number. The legs, the typical arms/cannons with those edges, the back mounted AC cannon design, crooked stance, it is not possible to design a Marauder that looks like a Marauder for us but not for Harmony Gold.

Hans Von Lohman, on 08 November 2013 - 11:06 PM, said:

This is what I am talking about. This will probably be as close to a Marauder as we can get.

Cataphract

[verybad]

They can get closer than that, The reseens essentially, which if made in the Cataphract style, but with a lengthened out torso and a weapon pod in the right torso (not center as in the original artwork.

It can be done and fit into the overall artwork style.

[Whatzituyah]

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Reseen Do not lose hope the reseen is the redesigned set besides Battlemaster made it in yet its in the reseen pile wait a sec most of those mechs are already released I see a pattern here besides the project phoenix.

Edited by Whatzituyah, 09 November 2013 - 01:23 PM.

[Electron Junkie]

I think we will eventually see a Marauder... We have a Jager which is basically the Rifleman which HG has dibs on still.

[DirePhoenix]

DarkDevilDancer, on 09 November 2013 - 07:16 AM, said:

I dont think people are getting that HG will sue just because they can, because companies will generally settle rather than pay huge court costs.

HG has sued PGI before because they used the warhammer in a trailer back in 2009, its simply not worth them doing it.

HG didn't sue anyone over the 2009 video. They sent a C&D to *IGN* for running the video on their website, and IGN freaked the hell out about it.

Also, if HG was going to sue the hell out of anybody "just because", they would've sued Catalyst Game Labs/Topps Inc. for the images they've been using for the past TEN YEARS. Guess what? They haven't.

Edited by DirePhoenix, 09 November 2013 - 01:49 PM.

[DarkDevilDancer]

DirePhoenix, on 09 November 2013 - 01:49 PM, said:

HG didn't sue anyone over the 2009 video. They sent a C&D to *IGN* for running the video on their website, and IGN freaked the hell out about it.

Also, if HG was going to sue the hell out of anybody "just because", they would've sued Catalyst Game Labs/Topps Inc. for the images they've been using for the past TEN YEARS. Guess what? They haven't.

Catalyst hasnt been around 10 years and they have only published TRO's with new art work concerning the marauder, the 3039 TRO has the image blacked out so they were safe from HG.

As for the dark age those models are so radically different HG would have no case, but in changing them they lost the look and feel of the marauder.

Any mech that made the MWO fans happy would probably look too close to the robotech designs and cause issues.

Its a business decision not to risk and not an unwise one as they are not a massive company and cant as easily adsorb a settlement as hasbro can.

[DirePhoenix]

DarkDevilDancer, on 09 November 2013 - 02:00 PM, said:

Catalyst hasnt been around 10 years and they have only published TRO's with new art work concerning the marauder, the 3039 TRO has the image blacked out so they were safe from HG.

As for the dark age those models are so radically different HG would have no case, but in changing them they lost the look and feel of the marauder.

Any mech that made the MWO fans happy would probably look too close to the robotech designs and cause issues.

Its a business decision not to risk and not an unwise one as they are not a massive company and cant as easily adsorb a settlement as hasbro can.

This was published last year. By Catalyst. What's that on the cover? OH MY GODS IT'S A MARAUDER!!!


Art by Shimmering Sword, no less.



Look familiar?

Edited by DirePhoenix, 09 November 2013 - 02:13 PM.

[stjobe]

DirePhoenix, on 09 November 2013 - 02:11 PM, said:

This was published last year. By Catalyst. What's that on the cover? OH MY GODS IT'S A MARAUDER!!!

No it's not. This is a Marauder:

DirePhoenix, on 09 November 2013 - 02:11 PM, said:

Look familiar?

Not really, no. It resembles a Marauder in some parts, but the torso is all wrong. Also, no offense to SS, but that thing is fugly.

Edited by stjobe, 09 November 2013 - 03:04 PM.

[DirePhoenix]

stjobe, on 09 November 2013 - 03:01 PM, said:

No it's not. This is a Marauder:




Not really, no. It resembles a Marauder in some parts, but the torso is all wrong. Also, no offense to SS, but that thing is fugly.

And it is precisely this attitude that will ensure we never get a representation of the Marauder in MWO.

[Bounty Dogg]

DirePhoenix, on 07 November 2013 - 10:36 PM, said:

Wrong. They "can't" (notice quotes) because the COMMUNITY will flip their lids if it doesn't look like the Macross imagery, and if it looks like the Macross images, HG will sue.

We've had a legal form of Marauder to use for TEN YEARS now, a DECADE. Probably almost half the lifetime of the current community, but the COMMUNITY itself by large refuses to accept it, or even make an iteration "based" from it because it's not the Macross image.

To be fair though, the art they used to introduce the new Marauder to us back in 2003 was pretty horrible, but I blame the artist for making it look like a bunch of twigs stuck in a lump of mashed potatoes, and not so much the design itself.

stjobe, on 09 November 2013 - 03:01 PM, said:

No it's not. This is a Marauder:




Not really, no. It resembles a Marauder in some parts, but the torso is all wrong. Also, no offense to SS, but that thing is fugly.

Guess DirePhoenix was right.......

Edited by Bounty Dogg, 09 November 2013 - 03:17 PM.