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[Deathz Jester]

Roadbeer, on 09 November 2013 - 02:57 PM, said:

No, it's saying that once a thread is moved to K Town that the gloves are off, unless it breaks the CoC.
The usual 'niceties' don't apply here. As the forum description says, not for the thin skinned.

Let me guess, you're the one who QQed because you couldn't hold up your end of the argument? Or because you felt you were being 'bullied' by a Mod?... either way... LULZ!

No, I'm just bothered by old farts like you with superiority complexes.

[Heffay]

Iron Harlequin, on 10 November 2013 - 12:29 AM, said:

No, I'm just bothered by old farts like you with superiority complexes.

Oh, you're just a kid! Now everything makes more sense.

See, it helps to put things into context so it is easier to understand where someone is coming from!

[Roadbeer]

Iron Harlequin, on 10 November 2013 - 12:29 AM, said:

No, I'm just bothered by old farts like you with superiority complexes.

Quit being inferior and you'll realize it's not a complex.
Lulz!

[RG Notch]

The rules that get threads here are the funny ones, like if you point out bad things about MWO. If only the devs didn't have thin skins about criticism we might still have a General Discussion forum like virtually all games that don't fear their players. I guess you shouldn't have thin skin when developing games, particularly when you're not all that good at the development part.
I will say the IP sure wasn't in a good place that this crew, with their stellar resume of successful games and clear problems handling this game. Still the issue isn't with the IP itself, if competent people had gotten it there wouldn't be fear of another decade without a MW/BT game.

[Sybreed]

my problem with MWO isn't the lack of CW, UI 2.0 or the addition of ghost heat (never affected me) and 3rd person.

I simply don't have much fun with the game anymore. I still log-in sometimes, play 2, 3 or 4 matches then get very frustrated with it. Playing this game got freaking frustrating! I always get into the mechlab, look at my builds and tell myself: well, all these builds are crappy versus the direct-fire meta and I'm simply gonna be destroyed. I haven't even touched 11 of my 12 PP mechs, cause I simply don't want to turn them all into meta mechs and their herp-derp builds. I tried using my Trebuchet yesterday and I think I did 47 dmg before a Battlemaster almost insta cored me.

**** me for trying to play mixed builds right? Well that's always how I've played mechwarrior games in the past and this game is punishing me for it.

Anyway, best thing for me to do is to take a lonnnng break from MWO. Anyway, XCOM Enemy Within is gonna be released in 2 days, and once I get my Nvidia 780GTX TI (yeah, no new consoles for me this year lol) I'll be able to play Rome Total War 2 at max settings. I remember loving the game in early CB because you had not much boating potential and most people played mixed builds, even R&R helped in those departments. Now that the min-max players got in and turned this game into another generic FPS, I simply don't really care for the game anymore. I do have fun launching the game for 1 or 2 matches, but then things get old very fast, because the gameplay is cattering for the 1-2 groups alpha strikes and I get frustrated because my 4-5 weapon groups setup never competes. Lastly, when I heard Bryan saying that the Atlas is end-game content or something like that, I simply lost hope that PGI still wants to do a deep, tactical game with role warfare being a primary pillar.

I still hope PGI proves me wrong and I'll keep playing from time to time, but everyday feels like another nail in the coffin of my interest in the game.

Edited by Sybreed, 10 November 2013 - 10:35 AM.

[Roadbeer]

RG Notch, on 10 November 2013 - 10:20 AM, said:

The rules that get threads here are the funny ones, like if you point out bad things about MWO. If only the devs didn't have thin skins about criticism we might still have a General Discussion forum like virtually all games that don't fear their players. I guess you shouldn't have thin skin when developing games, particularly when you're not all that good at the development part.
I will say the IP sure wasn't in a good place that this crew, with their stellar resume of successful games and clear problems handling this game. Still the issue isn't with the IP itself, if competent people had gotten it there wouldn't be fear of another decade without a MW/BT game.

You're not entirely wrong... the Dev's do seem to have an issue with criticism.

The issue with GD IMO,was that, the game was not ready to be put in Open Beta and let in the number of entitled mouth-breathers that jumped into the GD fray without the slightest concept of how BETA works. This flooded the forum with a disproportionate level of nerdrage, that the MODs/DEVs just weren't equipped to handle.

Everything else being equal, I feel that OB was about 6 months too soon (and moderately monetized), and Launch about the same. And that THESE are the biggest mistakes that PGI/IGP has made. This seems to be an unholy combination of a young developer and a pushy publisher.

Unfortunately, we can't put that genie back in the bottle, so rather than dwell on mistakes of the past, personally i feel that they should work on detoxifying the forum (something I actually see in progress) and increase transparency (also something I see being worked on).

As I said in another thread, when it comes to combat, right now we're down to just juggling fractions rather than dealing with apocalyptic changes. So all that's really left is the meta-game and content. I think they're in a pretty good place right now, they just need to win back those they've alienated.

[Sybreed]

The question is: Are forums getting detoxified, or did people stop caring?

I do feel launch was a solid 6 to 10 months too soon, same for OB, if you look at other titles like War Thunder or DOTA 2. WT has been in development for 4 years and is still in beta. The major features are in and all they do right now is polish stuff and add bonus features like Events mode. MWO only waited to get rid of the bugs, then launched. Gameplay isn't polished at all (hit detection, poor balance) and most major features aren't yet in. They can state the reason that the new consoles launches made them do that, but that only means they failed to realize what their playerbase was: "mostly PC gamers in their early\mid 20s to early 40s that used to play BT and older MW titles" and that playerbase cares very little about the new consoles. Not only that, but these are all potential whales. If PGI alienated that kind of playerbase for a faster launch, then they really shot themselves in the foot for practically nothing (and bad reviews).

Edited by Sybreed, 10 November 2013 - 11:08 AM.

[Silent]

Roadbeer, on 10 November 2013 - 10:41 AM, said:

As I said in another thread, when it comes to combat, right now we're down to just juggling fractions rather than dealing with apocalyptic changes. So all that's really left is the meta-game and content. I think they're in a pretty good place right now, they just need to win back those they've alienated.

A good number of the people they alienated are the people now flooding other forums telling potentially interested players not to bother wasting their time, or outright painting PGI/IGP as an antichrist.

So yeah, good luck winning those people back.

[TychoTheItinerant]

Sybreed, on 10 November 2013 - 11:07 AM, said:

The question is: Are forums getting detoxified, or did people stop caring?

The latter, increasingly so. More people are realizing that it's simply not worth sticking around and voicing an opinion, since PGI will ignore anything that doesn't jibe with what they were already planning anyway. Better to go to a forum like Star Citizen's and at least not have to worry about being censored or banned for calling PGI and their little moderator cronies out on their BS. PGIGP uses heavy-handed moderation to push out criticism they think will cause harm to their bottom line. They view players as stupid, gullible, easily taken in by grabdeals and easily mollified by insincere apologies, they intend to milk the cow until it dries up and then put it down.

[Roadbeer]

TychoTheItinerant, on 10 November 2013 - 01:37 PM, said:

The latter, increasingly so. More people are realizing that it's simply not worth sticking around and voicing an opinion, since PGI will ignore anything that doesn't jibe with what they were already planning anyway. Better to go to a forum like Star Citizen's and at least not have to worry about being censored or banned for calling PGI and their little moderator cronies out on their BS. PGIGP uses heavy-handed moderation to push out criticism they think will cause harm to their bottom line. They view players as stupid, gullible, easily taken in by grabdeals and easily mollified by insincere apologies, they intend to milk the cow until it dries up and then put it down.

LOL, you think there is heavy handed moderation here?
You must be new to online gaming forums.

Just because you voice your opinion loudly and repeatedly, doesn't mean it was a good one. I devoted an entire thread to this, it's pinned at the top of the forum.

Silent, on 10 November 2013 - 01:32 PM, said:

A good number of the people they alienated are the people now flooding other forums telling potentially interested players not to bother wasting their time, or outright painting PGI/IGP as an antichrist.

So yeah, good luck winning those people back.

Which goes back to the problem of going OB too soon and letting in entitled mouth-breathers who are prone to QQ when they don't get their way.

Edited by Roadbeer, 10 November 2013 - 01:42 PM.

[TychoTheItinerant]

Roadbeer, on 10 November 2013 - 01:41 PM, said:

LOL, you think there is heavy handed moderation here?
You must be new to online gaming forums.

Just because you voice your opinion loudly and repeatedly, doesn't mean it was a good one. I devoted an entire thread to this, it's pinned at the top of the forum.

I used to hang out at No Mutants Allowed, I know what heavy handed moderation is, chuckle ****. For a dozen damn years of my life I've been through dozens of online gaming communities, from Dark Age of Camelot to Fallout to Minecraft to assorted roguelikes. I've been amongst the sweatiest of neckbeards and the cherriest of noobs, I've seen moderators who were spineless and ineffectual, and moderators like Roshambo from NMA who had absolutely zero qualms with verbally humiliating users and changing their avatars as he deemed fit (to be fair most of them deserved it). I've seen whiteknights, black knights and trolls aplenty. You're nothing more than a neckbeard desperately trying to assert his imaginary intellectual/gaming superiority over others. You're not anything special and you never will be. Keep wagging your e-peen around and it's bound to get snipped off by someone a lot more clever than you, pal.

Edited by TychoTheItinerant, 10 November 2013 - 01:58 PM.

[Roadbeer]

TychoTheItinerant, on 10 November 2013 - 01:57 PM, said:

I used to hang out at No Mutants Allowed, I know what heavy handed moderation is, chuckle ****. For a dozen damn years of my life I've been through dozens of online gaming communities, from Dark Age of Camelot to Fallout to Minecraft to assorted roguelikes. I've been amongst the sweatiest of neckbeards and the cherriest of noobs, I've seen moderators who were spineless and ineffectual, and moderators like Roshambo from NMA who had absolutely zero qualms with verbally humiliating users and changing their avatars as he deemed fit (to be fair most of them deserved it). I've seen whiteknights, black knights and trolls aplenty. You're nothing more than a neckbeard desperately trying to assert his imaginary intellectual/gaming superiority over others. You're not anything special and you never will be. Keep wagging your e-peen around and it's bound to get snipped off by someone a lot more clever than you, pal.

Lulz, think I struck a nerve?

[TychoTheItinerant]

Roadbeer, on 10 November 2013 - 02:08 PM, said:

Lulz, think I struck a nerve?

I had one damn nerve left when I woke up this morning, **** stain, and you're getting on it.

[Silent]

Roadbeer, on 10 November 2013 - 01:41 PM, said:

Which goes back to the problem of going OB too soon and letting in entitled mouth-breathers who are prone to QQ when they don't get their way.

It's their ship. All we can do is say "Uh, guys...Iceberg!" every couple of months.

[Silent]

Moderators are banning people that criticize the game that haven't played in awhile. So it's a combination of people not caring anymore and also moderators trying to shut the more vocal posters up.

Whoops I think I might have broken a forum rule there.

[TychoTheItinerant]

Silent, on 10 November 2013 - 02:18 PM, said:

Moderators are banning people that criticize the game that haven't played in awhile. So it's a combination of people not caring anymore and also moderators trying to shut the more vocal posters up.

Whoops I think I might have broken a forum rule there.

I actually remember seeing (in the thread on the CIG forums about MWO, actually) some screenies someone took of the mods doing exactly that, yes. One of the users retorted with "you haven't changed the game enough since I left for it to matter". Truer words have rarely been spoken.

[Roadbeer]

TychoTheItinerant, on 10 November 2013 - 02:10 PM, said:

I had one damn nerve left when I woke up this morning, **** stain, and you're getting on it.

Lulz, let me help you out of the situation you've suddenly found yourself in Sparky,

See, you're not a special snowflake, regardless of what your mom has told you. Often when you put yourself "out there" like on an internet forum, people are likely to disagree with you, and I know that this may come as a shock to you, but your ideas MAY not actually be good ones, that's why the Devs didn't just jump on your bandwaggon and give you over 9000 MC for your hare-brained ideas... they were probably bad.

Also, when people disagree with you (as I mentioned above), resorting to ad hominem is going to get you and your oh-so-witty signature moderated. That's not being heavy handed, that's just telling you that you're an *******.

Allow me to paraphrase Ed O'Neil in the movie Dutch.

"You may be the toughest little ****** in the 5th grade, but in my world, you're about as troublesome as a cloudy day."

You seem tense...

Have some Cake.

Edited by Roadbeer, 10 November 2013 - 02:28 PM.

[TychoTheItinerant]

Roadbeer, on 10 November 2013 - 02:22 PM, said:

Lulz, let me help you out of the situation you've suddenly found yourself in Sparky,

See, you're not a special snowflake, regardless of what your mom has told you. Often when you put yourself "out there" like on an internet forum, people are likely to disagree with you, and I know that this may come as a shock to you, but your ideas MAY not actually be good ones, that's why the Devs didn't just jump on your bandwaggon and give you over 9000 MC for your hare-brained ideas... they were probably bad.

Also, when people disagree with you (as I mentioned above), resorting to ad hominem is going to get you and your oh-so-witty signature moderated. That's not being heavy handed, that's just telling you that you're an *******.

Allow me to paraphrase Ed O'Neil in the movie Dutch.

"You may be the toughest little ****** in the 5th grade, but in my world, you're about as troublesome as a cloudy day."

You're a joke, and not a good one. Your existence here on the forums is marked by Goldstar e-peen wagging and craptacularly bad attempts at humor. You haven't had a decent, original idea about this game since you damn well got here, and you only continue to hang around here because you know you're completely irrelevant anywhere else. Your presence is smarmy and toxic, reminiscent of a mixture of Axe and eggfarts.

[Roadbeer]

TychoTheItinerant, on 10 November 2013 - 02:31 PM, said:

You're a joke, and not a good one. Your existence here on the forums is marked by Goldstar e-peen wagging and craptacularly bad attempts at humor. You haven't had a decent, original idea about this game since you damn well got here, and you only continue to hang around here because you know you're completely irrelevant anywhere else. Your presence is smarmy and toxic, reminiscent of a mixture of Axe and eggfarts.

You're adorable

can I keep you?

[Vassago Rain]

Gonna take you for a 755 dollar ride.
Gonna buy all the hornets and setup a radio station aboard an idris.
Gonna farm them golds all day every day.
Gonna camo my ships in more than 3 lines.
Gonna use them emblems and cryengine graphics.
Gonna intercept 'til the end of time.
Gonna enjoy my in-game VOIP.
Gonna not have to carry no publets no more.



Gonna see you all in space, because, in the end, you and I are one and the same, and you'll go where I go, which is where your friends go. Gonna put your names and clan tags all over my hull.

Gonna community warfare the goons, the redditors, the ponies, DHB, NGNG, steel jags, and PGI themselves all day and all night.

Edited by Vassago Rain, 11 November 2013 - 02:32 AM.