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[PEEFsmash]

If Spiders could replace Jenners and Ravens in competitive play, it would be the first thing we would do. They weigh less, which would free up more tonnage for the real mechs that go out there and win the game (aka Assaults).

Do you really think that you have found some super-secret imbalance that none of the rest of us know about? You think you found out that the Spider is "broken" and those who spend hours and hours testing mechs just never thought to try it out? We all try it out, and guess what, if you play against people who can aim, Spiders are terrible. None of the top teams use them. All top teams use mainly Jenners, and occasionally Ravens. We try Spiders every once in awhile, but it never works out. Why? Again, the general population is absolutely horrible at aiming, they think they hit when they don't, and they misrepresent their own abilities.

TL;DR: You think Spiders are invincible because you cannot hit them. The best players in this game might find Spiders as a bit of an annoyance, but they are one of the worst and least-used mechs in the game at a competitive level because they are bad against good players. Next time you want to make a thread about how broken and OP Spiders are, remember that the reason you are saying it is because you haven't taken the time to learn how to aim or position yourself properly, and if you were good you would not think they are "too good." Saying you think Spiders are "too good" is a perfect litmus test for detecting a bad or average player, because there is a grand total of 0, zilch, nada top players who think Spiders are "too good" EVEN IF they think they have hit detection problems. Remember that, you are calling attention to your own poor play by saying you think Spiders are overpowered.

Edited by PEEFsmash, 05 November 2013 - 09:47 AM.

[Curccu]

Also Jenners and Raven 3L have a lot more bang for that extra 5 tons.

[Joseph Mallan]

You realize your TL:DR is as long as your original statement right?

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 05 November 2013 - 09:45 AM.

[PEEFsmash]

Joseph Mallan, on 05 November 2013 - 09:45 AM, said:

You realize your TL:DR is as long as your original statement right?

Yeah. It sends the message: Read the post.

Edited by PEEFsmash, 05 November 2013 - 09:46 AM.

[Oni Ralas]

I love all the "we" usage.

Sorry to burst your ego fueled bubble - but spiders do have an issue. So much so that they're the current focus of patch cycle. Assuming that all the issues stem from people unable to aim is a ******* joke.

I personally don't care what shows up in the "competitive" space - that same space is filled with circlejerking folks who can only roll what's on the upper edge of any given meta.

If posts had a downvote, I'd click them.

[Gallowglas]

Respectfully, Peef: the problem isn't that they're particularly OP. It's that there's a sporatic issue in which damage doesn't register properly. People aren't just being poor shots and imagining it. No, it's not just limited to the Spider either. I've seen it happen with Phracts and even Victors too, but it seems to happen very frequently with Spiders. Heck, two of our Spider pilots (finally) acknowledged it when they saw it in action on one of their Spiders last night. The paper doll flashes and very little damage registers, if any.

In essence, it doesn't matter whether the chassis is viable in competitive play or not. What matters is that it's a broken mechanic. I've said it before and I'll say it again: if a light mech could turn totally invisible due to a bug, would you be okay with it just as long as it wasn't used in competitive play or so long as people were able to kill one by watching where their lasers came from? No? If not, ask yourself why not. The answer to that question is the same as the answer to why people want the hit issues to be fixed.

Edited by Gallowglas, 05 November 2013 - 01:19 PM.

[Joseph Mallan]

PEEFsmash, on 05 November 2013 - 09:46 AM, said:

Yeah. It sends the message: Read the post.

Nope cause its TL:DR.

Also what Oni says. Until we know you are a top tier player (ie top 2-3%) you are just a good player with an ego.

[Hellcat420]

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Edited by Hellcat420, 05 November 2013 - 09:58 AM.

[PEEFsmash]

Oni Ralas, on 05 November 2013 - 09:50 AM, said:

I personally don't care what shows up in the "competitive" space - that same space is filled with circlejerking folks who can only roll what's on the upper edge of any given meta.

I love the denials that top players are good. Its always one of the funniest moments of these threads. Top players have shown time and time again that they can use the worst {Scrap} frankenmechs that you and everyone else uses, and dominate you and your friends even if your friends were using the best "meta builds." This kind of thing has been demonstrated so often that it's unbelievable. My Raven 2X and 4X, as well as my Commandos all have positive W/Ls. Why? Take a guess! (It isn't because they are top metagame mechs!)

Joseph Mallan, on 05 November 2013 - 09:53 AM, said:

Nope cause its TL:DR.

Also what Oni says. Until we know you are a top tier player (ie top 2-3%) you are just a good player with an ego.

Please don't make me have to call on my credentials again, because I always do it happily. You could just pick someone who you are willing to admit is a top tier player, if you know any, and ask them if I belong.

Edited by PEEFsmash, 05 November 2013 - 09:59 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

PEEFsmash, on 05 November 2013 - 09:57 AM, said:

I love the denials that top players are good. Its always one of the funniest moments of these threads. Top players have shown time and time again that they can use the worst {Scrap} frankenmechs that you and everyone else uses, and dominate you and your friends even if your friends were using the best "meta builds." This kind of thing has been demonstrated so often that it's unbelievable. My Raven 2X and 4X, as well as my Commandos all have positive W/Ls. Why? Take a guess! (It isn't because they are top metagame mechs!)

Actually I haven't seen this PEEF. What I have seen is those claiming to be "Competitive" telling everyone else what they should be doing and using, and not actually competing.

[Oni Ralas]

PEEFsmash, on 05 November 2013 - 09:57 AM, said:

I love the denials that top players are good. Its always one of the funniest moments of these threads. Top players have shown time and time again that they can use the worst {Scrap} frankenmechs that you and everyone else uses, and dominate you and your friends even if your friends were using the best "meta builds." This kind of thing has been demonstrated so often that it's unbelievable. My Raven 2X and 4X, as well as my Commandos all have positive W/Ls. Why? Take a guess! (It isn't because they are top metagame mechs!)

I love the ego of people *playing a video game* and the massive assumptions they make.

[Joseph Mallan]

Hellcat420, on 05 November 2013 - 09:55 AM, said:

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That... is a skill!

[Oni Ralas]

Joseph Mallan, on 05 November 2013 - 10:09 AM, said:

That... is a skill!

Agreed -- that is an epic horse.

[Joseph Mallan]

Oni Ralas, on 05 November 2013 - 10:09 AM, said:

Agreed -- that is an epic horse.

Glad you knew who I was talking about

[arghmace]

The issue isn't that they're too good or bad but the fact that they're broken. There are multiple videos in youtube where a stationary Spider is shot in the chest multiple times with nothing happening.

[DaZur]

Hellcat420, on 05 November 2013 - 09:55 AM, said:

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Clearly that Gaucho is a "Top-Tier Competitive" Player...

Edited by DaZur, 05 November 2013 - 10:14 AM.

[RF Greywolf]

That horse is amazing.

[DaZur]

Joseph Mallan, on 05 November 2013 - 10:09 AM, said:

That... is a skill!

Level: Top-Tier!!!

[Joseph Mallan]

PEEFsmash, on 05 November 2013 - 09:59 AM, said:

I love the denials that top players are good. Its always one of the funniest moments of these threads. Top players have shown time and time again that they can use the worst {Scrap} frankenmechs that you and everyone else uses, and dominate you and your friends even if your friends were using the best "meta builds." This kind of thing has been demonstrated so often that it's unbelievable. My Raven 2X and 4X, as well as my Commandos all have positive W/Ls. Why? Take a guess! (It isn't because they are top metagame mechs!)



Please don't make me have to call on my credentials again, because I always do it happily. You could just pick someone who you are willing to admit is a top tier player, if you know any, and ask them if I belong.

And what you use to be such a star. I would be happy to see someone vouch for you using craptastic Mechs against top ranked players and score top of the lists. Seeing as I don't know anyone's Elo I would not know if they are top tier, but I do know some folks who have dropped vs you, so sure I'll ask them.

[Oni Ralas]

PEEFsmash, on 05 November 2013 - 09:59 AM, said:

Please don't make me have to call on my credentials again, because I always do it happily. You could just pick someone who you are willing to admit is a top tier player, if you know any, and ask them if I belong.

Your credentials? Kiddo - this isn't real. It's a game. We know you're a good player - you're also a still babyfaced and in school. I don't care if thor himself blew his load on your mouse and gave you ultramega poptart abilities - you're trying to give meaning to being able to click a mouse at internet pixles. It's meaningless, and your opinion carries the same amount of weight as any other player in MWO (for better or worse). You aren't being constructive here, and certainly not impressing anyone. This entire post wasn't constructed about ballance, it was a direct shot at trying to pick a fight.

I know it's a hard thing, but some day reallity will smash (ha?) you right in the face. Spend less time worrying about what some internet forum thinks of you and your abilities and start working toward something better. That way, you can end up like me - crying salty scrub tears of remorse over how much I suck at a video game...while driving home in my Aston.