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[Sandpit]

DrSlamastika, on 11 November 2013 - 03:40 PM, said:

What is META BUILD???

Typically it's a build that maxes the weapons and chassis to what is the absolute most effective and popular at the time. Right now many believe ballistic weapons are OP and use them a lot. It's basically a cookie cutter build that falls in line with whatever is popular at the moment.

panicbutton, on 11 November 2013 - 01:47 PM, said:

I wish you best of luck in finding a unit that doesn't put restrictions on player's builds

The beauty is you don't need a formal unit to participate in the meta game and if you want, all you have to do is find a few buddies and form your own unit

[xMEPHISTOx]

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Real Pilots Don't Need Meta Builds REAL PILOTS PLAY THE BEST BUILDS AVAILABLE

Fixed your topic title OP.

[Roadbeer]

xMEPHISTOx, on 11 November 2013 - 05:51 PM, said:

Fixed your topic title OP.

Nope

[Sandpit]

xMEPHISTOx, on 11 November 2013 - 05:51 PM, said:

Fixed your topic title OP.

Not even close. I'll be glad when we can put bounties out on people and everyone is trying to collect the troll title for taking me out lol

[xMEPHISTOx]

Sandpit, on 11 November 2013 - 05:55 PM, said:

Not even close. I'll be glad when we can put bounties out on people and everyone is trying to collect the troll title for taking me out lol

Not sure I am understanding what you are trying to convey with this statement nor how it relates to the quote you have used. Clarification needed.
Troll title? (is there such a thing>?)
'taking me out'? (in game or what...what>?)

[Roadbeer]

You know, there was once a thread, earlier this year, where people posted when they killed me. I think it was actually called "I got to kill Roadbeer"

[Grrzoot]

Hi Manus,
I was attempted to msg you but see you only have 46 posts. I wanted to extend you an invitation to come play with us at night watch. Currently we run 2 different 12 man groups, one that plays as you have seen and one that is not load-out specific.

Our second group is playing in proxis which is limited by what mech variants you have on your dropships. So if you have a variant, and can play the role that you assign yourself to in it, you can play in 12 mans.

If your interested make 4 more posts and send me a message or check us out in our recruitment thread here:
http://mwomercs.com/...-hiring-pilots/

or our webiste/forum here: http://www.nightwatchmercs.net/Forums/

Thanks!

[Sandpit]

xMEPHISTOx, on 11 November 2013 - 06:02 PM, said:

Not sure I am understanding what you are trying to convey with this statement nor how it relates to the quote you have used. Clarification needed.
Troll title? (is there such a thing>?)
'taking me out'? (in game or what...what>?)

It was two separate statements lol

Not even close was in reference to your quote.

The rest is jsut the hope that I get a piece of the failed bounties lol

There's an idea! If you put a bounty on someone, every time that person succeeds in finishing a game without dying they should get an escape bonus!

[Sephlock]

Sephlock, on 10 November 2013 - 06:56 PM, said:

Play only in trial mechs and eventually you will impress someone who will admit you into Valhalla.

.. or a mental institution.

I should have mentioned that earlier... I guess it's too late now .

[MonkeyCheese]

Roadbeer, on 11 November 2013 - 06:03 PM, said:

You know, there was once a thread, earlier this year, where people posted when they killed me. I think it was actually called "I got to kill Roadbeer"

There should be a new thread called "I got to kill Roadbeer with a locust"

Now that's a worthy challenge.

[Shakespeare]

Wintersdark, on 10 November 2013 - 06:51 PM, said:

I'd definitely ask that people work hard to avoid using those "skill" arguments; that quickly devolves into name-calling and forumrage. The argument in this case "pro-meta build" is then: If they're more skilled, and doing as well as a less skilled player in a better build, they'd do more for their team in a better build.

Good luck with that. Trying to have a conversation about balance with the self-titled skilled is an exercise in self flagellation.

[ManusDei]

DrSlamastika, on 11 November 2013 - 03:40 PM, said:

What is META BUILD???

A term thrown around by some groups to signify their superiority over other groups and players by building fad mechs, popular mechs, the most popular mechs on the battlefield aka cheese builds. Metagaming is a broad term and its really just a term used by pilots to impress woman at cocktail parties. No different from the guy who owns a porsche and brags about being the fastest car at the pool party.

You don't need a porsche to go fast, and you certainly don't need a meta build to kill mechs.

Edited by ManusDei, 12 November 2013 - 01:55 AM.

[Ghogiel]

Unfortunately, no one can be told what the meta is, you have to see it for yourself.

This is your last chance. After this there is no turning back.

You take the blue pill and the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe..

[ManusDei]

Thanks everyone for showing your support. It only confirms what I already knew about the meta bandwagon. You don't need anyone to tell you what to run. If they do try to tell you what to run, join another group. Again thanks for all the like minded people who posted a reply.

[Frankdark]

The fact is.
Good Pilots find the best working Configuration for there need´s.
And that´s often near the Meta.
Or better sad, Parralel Evolution

[Charons Little Helper]

One thing of note that no one seems to bring up - this is a game with rock scissors paper. Even if rock were the overall best - if it became the meta and everyone started using rock, it might be worth it to bring paper.

Edited by Charons Little Helper, 12 November 2013 - 07:09 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

panicbutton, on 11 November 2013 - 01:47 PM, said:

I wish you best of luck in finding a unit that doesn't put restrictions on player's builds, but your 11k drop experience only holds so far as public matches go. There are different strategies (other than flavor of the month) which will work well and win games, but they will always require people to play certain builds.

Every single strategy, composition, 'mech, and play style has an "optimum". To be properly "competitive" you have to optimize. "Real pilots" are good in everything, but pilots held equal, a bad 'mech build for a brawler, sniper, poptart, or support will always produce lower numbers or worse results than a good 'mech build for the same role (seems obvious to me really). The better pilots will, obviously, be able to do more damage using a more successful battlemech design.

The statement that you don't need to run the flavor of the month to be a good pilot is fine, but you will undoubtedly need to conform to a certain build (square peg into square hole) in order to better complement the drop deck. Good pilots will be able to adapt to any build put in front of them and wring damage out of it, but pilots who are unable to do so will be left behind in the competitive world.

Many pilots specialize, and this is fine. You cannot be expected to excel at every single 'mech chassis or role, but you can be expected to fill in where necessary and give it a shot. Good players and good natured players can play something outside of their comfort zone to back up their team if needed. It is much better to have someone in an unfamiliar chassis than to have a chassis that doesn't make sense in the team. Players cross the line into "not a good team player" when their attitude is the unfortunately common "I can't" or "I won't".

A truly good command would not look at what he is driving, but his results in it. If Hippy Came to the Law and dropped in his Mechs an was an Active participant in the victory, Nobody would tell him what to drive, they may Suggest a tweak or two, But I have yet to be told, "Joe you HAVE to bring this."

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 12 November 2013 - 07:17 AM.

[RF Greywolf]

Charons Little Helper, on 12 November 2013 - 07:08 AM, said:

One thing of note that no one seems to bring up - this is a game with rock scissors paper. Even if rock were the overall best - if it became the meta and everyone started using rock, it might be worth it to bring paper.

The problem is that there are units tell their pilots that the only way to beat 'rock' is to be better at playing 'rock' than the enemy is.

[Rhaythe]

xMEPHISTOx, on 11 November 2013 - 05:51 PM, said:

Fixed your topic title OP.

Real pilots play whatever build best suits their playstyle.

Can't believe how many people get this wrong.

[Wintersdark]

Joseph Mallan, on 12 November 2013 - 07:17 AM, said:

A truly good command would not look at what he is driving, but his results in it. If Hippy Came to the Law and dropped in his Mechs an was an Active participant in the victory, Nobody would tell him what to drive, they may Suggest a tweak or two, But I have yet to be told, "Joe you HAVE to bring this."

For me, I love discussions about builds. Suggestions are always welcome, but IMHO if you're going to make a build suggestion to someone, be prepared to back it up with a rationale and actually listen to the pilots response. All too often (and I'm not directing this at you, Joe) these "suggestions" are made by people who don't really understand what the pilot is doing and why, or what his personal capabilities are. For example, suggestions to take SSRM's to deal with lights, when the pilot has no trouble hitting lights with his ballistics.

So, build discussions? Awesome. Assumption that the pilot is an *****? Not so cool. It's best to start such a discussion with the assumption that there is a good reason why the build is the way it is.