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[Just wanna play]

IV Amen, on 22 November 2013 - 05:16 PM, said:

One solution would be to give all different 'Mechs individual Elo score... For example if I tryhard noskill myself to higher Elo with the Highlanders, the HGN would have that higher score. But when I take the unmastered Battlemaster, it would have decreased Elo score. That way if I succeed with the Battlemaster (and btw, I don't, lol) the chassis' Elo would rise naturally.

And yeah, starting to grind XP to a new 'mech can be very frustrating...

each chassis already has its own elo.....

[FupDup]

Just wanna play, on 01 December 2013 - 07:07 AM, said:

each chassis already has its own elo.....

Right now it's just Elo per weight class, which makes for up to 4 different Elos per player.

[Alex Warden]

elo is not what crushes the fun for me... it´s the unrestrained "playstyle" that occurs from randomness of players

honestly, i´d rather play 12man all day long every day with my unit, but sadly that´s not possible due to timerestrictions dictated by RL for the most of us... so we have fun on our training days, and take the bitter taste of random matches for the money/ xp grind

[Nick Makiaveli]

Seems to me the common thread in this thread is the word "seems". Seriously, it "seems" like the ELO is....It "seems" like I am.....

Keep track and see if your perception is accurate.

Also, maybe your Elo isn't as high/low as you think it is. One of the posters mentioned being a "scrub", which he may indeed be a middling player like myself, but have a higher than expected Elo due to have highly skilled teammates, also like myself. Thus instead of dragging down the average when grouped, he might be keeping it artificially high.

Some advice, when you see you have launched against a competitive team, and you just aren't in the mood, then try something different. Call them out in chat, tell them they don't have big enough "gyros" to meet you at the Caldera and duke it out, and then make a base run and cap 'em. Even if you lose, it should be close and thus make it more fun. Or you might win and get to listen to them whine and cry. Either way the fight is over soon and you can re-launch and hope for a better match.

One last thought, if you are not having fun when you lose, then it seems to me you are always in the so-called "tryhard" group....

[KharnZor]

Mudhutwarrior, on 01 December 2013 - 04:26 AM, said:

Actually it is. Its a self inflicted nerf. Probably the biggest nerf there is a past bringing a boat with no ammo and small lasers.

I will wait for ingame rather than bring unfair advantage to the field. Just my opinion so you can do what you want.

1. I agree.
2. Bringing an unfair advantage to the field? Enough, its a free program available to anyone to use. Your opinion is wrong.

[Joseph Mallan]

Mudhutwarrior, on 29 November 2013 - 08:23 AM, said:

Honestly we need ingame voice where every team dropped has comms with each other. It would speed up the learning curve in a big way and level the field somewhat. You can discuss strategy,loadout etc, in the lobby and newbs can pick up what they need to know quickly, know who to stick with and when they do something stupid and dangerous you can instantly call them out of it.

Many don' t want it because they will lose the advantage but for the game as a whole its probably the best way to retain new players and destroy the divisions were creating.

Many want it (I know many complain about past experience though) And it is going to be a useful addition to the game (IF it is ever added), but until then there is Multiple TS servers that teams are/ have been using for a while now. It is not that we will lose an advantage, it is you(as a group) who are refusing to use one that is already there for all to use.

[Randalf Yorgen]

Mudhutwarrior, on 30 November 2013 - 03:25 AM, said:

Sorry Joe, I don't believe that statement for a new york second. Far to much resistance, name calling and pile ons here to justify that statement.

Please give us the addresses of those servers and we will go find out the truth about this. IF they are as you say we will compile a list on the faction boards directing people away from those servers and into ones that are far more fun and tollerant. I've been to the Kuritan server and the Lyran one as well as my home Marik server (NGNG and COMSTAR as well). All of those seemed fairly welcoming, granted there is always "THAT GUY" or "THAT ONE GROUP OF LEETS" who are ashhats but 99% of the players are great and helpful if you just talk to them. The resistance is on the side of the non-user who doesn't try it or only tries one and doesn't shop around. The kind of guy used car dealers like to see coming, will buy the first thing thrown infront of them at the price first quoted.

[Joseph Mallan]

Mudhutwarrior, on 30 November 2013 - 03:25 AM, said:

Sorry Joe, I don't believe that statement for a new york second. Far to much resistance, name calling and pile ons here to justify that statement.

May be true, however I think it is more previous experience that you are seeing than a sinister desire to keep boots down. Plenty of players saying just go to ComStar, EU or NG:NG servers an group up. There is nobody saying stay in silence, just use the same service the teams are already using! As to name calling... that is flowing both ways so much the Department of Water is jelling!

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 02 December 2013 - 06:40 AM.

[Randalf Yorgen]

Mudhutwarrior, on 26 November 2013 - 03:37 AM, said:

I figure someday I will grow lame and lazy and want to push the easy button. Then I will get voip and join a team. Till then I will fight without crutches myself. Sure I lose a lot fighting the lame and lazy with their concentrated fire and fast tactics but I will not become dependent on my gang to look out for me. After 8000 matches pug only I have learned some things. Just not to give up and go with the crowd.

You know I was really trying to be nice to you on that other thread but the more you open your mouth the more I am finding that Roadbeer might just be right about you. IF you want to be a silent pugger then fine, go be one, but for the love of the game stop trying to turn new people away from something that might just make the game fun for them. I put it to you that you already ARE LAME AND LAZY and i'll add SICK to that so you can be the full MIR COMMANDO that you are coming across as. NO one who is promoting using VOIP is telling people that it's the ONLY way or the BETTER way but simply that it is a DIFFERENT way and that most people who try it find it to be a more FUN way of playing the game. YOU are doing nothing more than just krappping on something that you refuse to LET work for you.

I'm begining to think that your negativity stems from having been on VOIP, shouting out orders to everyone in channel and being told to put a sock in it by someone else who had a clue. Then you got pissy when everyone else followed the other guy. Then you got removed from group and everyone moved to a private channel, told the rest of the server that it is YOU who are "THAT GUY" and you were left you on your own. THAT IS EXACTLY HOW YOU ARE COMING ACROSS AND EXACTLY WHY EVEYONE HAMMERS YOU ON THESE FORUMS OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

Don't want tot get hammered on, start saying things like "In my opinion" and "it's been my experience" or "I have found that..." Or you could even own up and say "Well the one server I was on was like this, but it was a small server......."

I really hate this sometimes, you are like the American political system, you are either Democrat or Republican, there is no MIDDLE, it's one extreem or the other and it's exactly how you are, you have a tea party stance and are unwilling to even entertain the idea that there could be some room for a more moderate stance sometime in the future.

[Mudhutwarrior]

Randalf Yorgen, on 02 December 2013 - 06:48 AM, said:

You know I was really trying to be nice to you on that other thread but the more you open your mouth the more I am finding that Roadbeer might just be right about you. IF you want to be a silent pugger then fine, go be one, but for the love of the game stop trying to turn new people away from something that might just make the game fun for them. I put it to you that you already ARE LAME AND LAZY and i'll add SICK to that so you can be the full MIR COMMANDO that you are coming across as. NO one who is promoting using VOIP is telling people that it's the ONLY way or the BETTER way but simply that it is a DIFFERENT way and that most people who try it find it to be a more FUN way of playing the game. YOU are doing nothing more than just krappping on something that you refuse to LET work for you.

I'm begining to think that your negativity stems from having been on VOIP, shouting out orders to everyone in channel and being told to put a sock in it by someone else who had a clue. Then you got pissy when everyone else followed the other guy. Then you got removed from group and everyone moved to a private channel, told the rest of the server that it is YOU who are "THAT GUY" and you were left you on your own. THAT IS EXACTLY HOW YOU ARE COMING ACROSS AND EXACTLY WHY EVEYONE HAMMERS YOU ON THESE FORUMS OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

Don't want tot get hammered on, start saying things like "In my opinion" and "it's been my experience" or "I have found that..." Or you could even own up and say "Well the one server I was on was like this, but it was a small server......."

I really hate this sometimes, you are like the American political system, you are either Democrat or Republican, there is no MIDDLE, it's one extreem or the other and it's exactly how you are, you have a tea party stance and are unwilling to even entertain the idea that there could be some room for a more moderate stance sometime in the future.

Wow dude your pretty caught up in reflecting your personal issues. All I gave was my opinion of what I see and that is the vast majority of premades are in it for the easy XP/c-bills. I see no advanced skills in the majority and most often when I catch usual premades running solo their just not any better than most pugs. Comms make the difference in this and it also splits most pug matches not making a 12 man team but 4 and 8 or some other grouping. Rare does a premade communicate to the rest of the team and when they do its usually not to favor the pugs. If the majority of premades were not farmers there would be little wait time for a 12v team match. As I hear it there are few who will go there.

So I dont buy into the whole team arguments premades make here. Frankly its horse pucky. You want to drop with friends fine but don't say your playing a fair match when you calling targets and concentrating fire and moving as a unit against pugs.

[Joseph Mallan]

Mudhutwarrior, on 02 December 2013 - 07:29 AM, said:

Wow dude your pretty caught up in reflecting your personal issues. All I gave was my opinion of what I see and that is the vast majority of premades are in it for the easy XP/c-bills. I see no advanced skills in the majority and most often when I catch usual premades running solo their just not any better than most pugs. Comms make the difference in this and it also splits most pug matches not making a 12 man team but 4 and 8 or some other grouping. Rare does a premade communicate to the rest of the team and when they do its usually not to favor the pugs. If the majority of premades were not farmers there would be little wait time for a 12v team match. As I hear it there are few who will go there.

So I dont buy into the whole team arguments premades make here. Frankly its horse pucky. You want to drop with friends fine but don't say your playing a fair match when you calling targets and concentrating fire and moving as a unit against pugs.

You know I saw the game you are talking about this weekend. Apparently House Steiner was having House drops. 40+ players hitting Launch at the same time and breaking up into dropships so they had up to 12 players on a team. I had my Ash handed to me lots of times (in my 4man), But I was impressed seeing my enemy be so coordinated an doing things right with thunder and precision. We lost a lot of matches, but seeing good teamwork and coordinated ambushes was awesome even as I was crushed like a empty beer can.

Calling targets is a great way to mass fire, and when I see it in text I try to aid my team as much as when I hear a target called. If a team is better working in coordination they deserve to kick our butts. After all in a team game the best team is supposed to win. Even if it isn't ours.

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 02 December 2013 - 07:39 AM.

[CravenMadness]

Yep, deflection and repetition. That's the way to forum warrior, Mud! Rope-a-dope man, roll with those hard hitting points and rebound back with your same jab jab poke and humbly take the 'downtrodden' underdog role upon yourself to garner support.

Take notes fellas, future Forum Warriors, these are the tactics that assure that you never have to change your argument or consider another point of view.

By the way, anyone else notice how many threads have been ended by Mud's interjections of 'evil premades' wherever he can manage to splice cause/effect and point at groups on coms? I think I've counted four or five just since I started looking for his posts.

Edit for linking*
Forum Warriors, peruse and see which you fall into.
http://www.flamewarr...e.com/index.htm

Edited by CravenMadness, 02 December 2013 - 07:42 AM.

[Mudhutwarrior]

Joseph Mallan, on 02 December 2013 - 07:38 AM, said:

You know I saw the game you are talking about this weekend. Apparently House Steiner was having House drops. 40+ players hitting Launch at the same time and breaking up into dropships so they had up to 12 players on a team. I had my Ash handed to me lots of times (in my 4man), But I was impressed seeing my enemy be so coordinated an doing things right with thunder and precision. We lost a lot of matches, but seeing good teamwork and coordinated ambushes was awesome even as I was crushed like a empty beer can.

Calling targets is a great way to mass fire, and when I see it in text I try to aid my team as much as when I hear a target called. If a team is better working in coordination they deserve to kick our butts. After all in a team game the best team is supposed to win. Even if it isn't ours.

If you put yourself in the new players shoes it seems hopeless for them. That's my point. These guys want a good game but it won't come without a playerbase that's growing. Like the post above here you have a group of forum bullies that make sure dissent is shut down quickly. My point is they do far more harm than good and I hope they get everything they wish for because when they do it will be just them supporting the game.

[Fate 6]

IV Amen, on 22 November 2013 - 05:38 PM, said:

I think (of course there's no knowledge) that most of the players have about 1:1 W/L.

That's a pretty bold assumption. If you ever watch me play you'd know I am worth my weight or more in a medium (and that's not just ez pz Shadow Hawks mind you), but my W/L is .8652 after 2000 games. That is a MASSIVE deviation from 1:1. It either means I get placed with good players and my W/L can go fk itself, or it means there isn't an Elo divide big enough to put me low enough to carry.

Mind you, I'm not getting placed with the greatest players, but I'll be damned if I should be losing more than winning when I can consistently get most damage (and highest score) on the team in a 50 or 55 ton mech.

[Joseph Mallan]

Mudhutwarrior, on 02 December 2013 - 07:45 AM, said:

If you put yourself in the new players shoes it seems hopeless for them. That's my point. These guys want a good game but it won't come without a playerbase that's growing. Like the post above here you have a group of forum bullies that make sure dissent is shut down quickly. My point is they do far more harm than good and I hope they get everything they wish for because when they do it will be just them supporting the game.

I was in the new player shoes. I never lost hope when I first began this game. So we have Bullies to offset the bullies on the other side of the coin, sound fairly balanced to me. There is a a Pro VOiP bully for everybody saying their is already servers to go to bullies. So the internet is working as intended.

[KharnZor]

Mudhutwarrior, on 02 December 2013 - 07:45 AM, said:

If you put yourself in the new players shoes it seems hopeless for them. That's my point. These guys want a good game but it won't come without a playerbase that's growing. Like the post above here you have a group of forum bullies that make sure dissent is shut down quickly. My point is they do far more harm than good and I hope they get everything they wish for because when they do it will be just them supporting the game.

Get down from that cross. It isn't working.

[Mudhutwarrior]

KharnZor, on 02 December 2013 - 12:34 PM, said:

Get down from that cross. It isn't working.

Who will do it then? Somebody has to be that guy.

[KharnZor]

Mudhutwarrior, on 02 December 2013 - 12:50 PM, said:

Who will do it then? Somebody has to be that guy.

So you are trying to be that guy?
Nobody has to be that guy and the fact that you are trying to be speaks volumes.
Congratulations you are now on my ignore list. I kept holding out to see if you could make one post i agreed with and seeing as how you did that a couple of days ago in a brief moment of lucidity and as i doubt more will be forthcoming i see no reason to put myself through reading any more of your garbage posts.

[Michael Abt]

A premade is usually all about advantages in order to win, advantages which include cookie cutter builds, voip etc. So many other games introduced limitations to queues, split up queues, whatever, and they failed with it. The team queue waiting times usually skyrocketed which leads to two conclusions: either the team centric player base was smaller than expected, or they were not interested in competitive play, only in advantages. There is a reason why so many players are trying to find workarounds to those queue restrictions, and exploit them.

To exaggerate a bit: one could argue that VOIP as 3rd party program is an exploit, or at least an unfair advantage. The counter argument "Use (Exploit) it, too" doesn't cut, two wrongs don't make a right. The other counter arguments i often read are that ingame voip introduced wouldn't be as good, or they wouldn't be used anyway because of idiots. These arguments are missing the point, however, they are often accepted as valid because in most cases, they are the sad truth.

Anyway, a premade is more than the sum of its players, it is also about synergies with the result that the individual is augmented/enhanced above average, and therefore they often seem to fall short when PUGing. Or in case of MWO, their teamplay-earned ELO doesn't seem to fit when alone. That doesn't mean by default that their team carries them, like is often assumed. It could also be interpreted that they are good teamplayers.

Personally, i am at a bit over 3000 solo PUG drops, most in my Hunchie, and the MM throws me into matches with 4man premades in the majority of my games. Fighting against premades can be very frustrating because it is very hard beating those odds. At those times i encourage myself by following my own logic: 'When the premade augments the individual player above average skill level, and the MM sends me into the ring with them, it means that on the contrary they had to team up to reach my skill level.'

Unfortunately there is no simple solution to the premade/PUG problem. It is a considerable problem for any game though because it takes only few premades to sore it for a lot of PUG players.

[Mudhutwarrior]

Just read the command chair posts on CW. Well thought out and includes ingame Voip. I can retire now and join a team.