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[VikingN1nja]

The grind is pretty hard now i think weapons and engines are too expensive, i think the cadets should get 50 games with the bonus so if they stack with premium can get 3 of the same chassis and kit them out.

[Scratx]

Grind isn't bad........ especially if you compare against similar games such as World of Tanks.

It is especially true when you consider that you can derp however much you want and you still get ahead. One bad match in WoT can set you back the earnings of multiple matches on the higher tiers.


So, what seems to be the problem exactly? Upgrading is expensive?

[80sGlamRockSensation David Bowie]

The grind is slow as Hell, if you don't have premium or all the time in the world.

PGI unfortunately likes it this way, so get used to it is all the advice I can really give.


As for stratagies to get the most money per match, that is a different topic.

[xMEPHISTOx]

omegagun, on 01 December 2013 - 02:15 PM, said:

The grind is pretty hard now i think weapons and engines are too expensive, i think the cadets should get 50 games with the bonus so if they stack with premium can get 3 of the same chassis and kit them out.

Grind...what grind...?
Play WoT, grind to a Tier 10 tank come back and reevaluate/edit your statement.
Honestly the grind in this game is nearly non existent even w/a ftp account (I have a couple ftp alts so I know). You can have a 'end game' competitive relevant mech in less than 2 weeks w/out even trying hard.

[OneEyed Jack]

[Scratx]

xMEPHISTOx, on 01 December 2013 - 03:17 PM, said:

Grind...what grind...?
Play WoT, grind to a Tier 10 tank come back and reevaluate/edit your statement.
Honestly the grind in this game is nearly non existent even w/a ftp account (I have a couple ftp alts so I know). You can have a 'end game' competitive relevant mech in less than 2 weeks w/out even trying hard.

Very much this. 2758 matches in WoT and I'm only at tier 8. I'm not even sure I made enough money over that many matches to buy a single tier 10 tank if I'd actually been able to save it. Odds are I did make it, but you get the idea....

It's just plain horribly expensive and you have to grind a lot on each tank just to unlock the next. ... Do you have to grind a commando, then a hunchback, then a dragon until you can grab an Atlas? I think not.....

Seriously, you complain about grinding only because you apparently lack context.

[Greyboots]

xMEPHISTOx, on 01 December 2013 - 03:17 PM, said:

Grind...what grind...?
Play WoT, grind to a Tier 10 tank come back and reevaluate/edit your statement.
Honestly the grind in this game is nearly non existent even w/a ftp account (I have a couple ftp alts so I know). You can have a 'end game' competitive relevant mech in less than 2 weeks w/out even trying hard.

People's perspective on the grind will vary.

• Casual free players will hate it with a vengeance.
  
• Free players with time on their hands will think it's "a little steep"
  
• Casual Premium Time players will think it's "a little steep".
  
• Premium players with time on their hands will think it's just fine.
  
• People with money to throw at the game don't care because they can so drastically shortcut it that might as well not be there.

The truth is that there's no "right" opinion here and anyone trying to profess they have the "right" opinion is trying to pull the wool over your eyes.

[OneEyed Jack]

Greyboots, on 01 December 2013 - 03:41 PM, said:

People's perspective on the grind will vary.

• Casual free players will hate it with a vengeance.
  
• Free players with time on their hands will think it's "a little steep"
  
• Casual Premium Time players will think it's "a little steep".
  
• Premium players with time on their hands will think it's just fine.
  
• People with money to throw at the game don't care because they can so drastically shortcut it that might as well not be there.

The truth is that there's no "right" opinion here and anyone trying to profess they have the "right" opinion is trying to pull the wool over your eyes.

Haven't paid PGI money in quite some time. Used 1 month of premium, ever, way back in late 2012. Have some Hero mechs, but rarely play them. Use consumables when I feel like it with no thought for the "cost." Mastered all the older mechs except the Cicada and Awesome (because I'm just not interested) and Master each new mech as it comes out, though I did skip the Locust. Buy new modules/weapons/equipment just because I don't feel like tracking down the ones I have. Each time a mech releases, I buy (and usually upgrade) at least 3 variants to Master it, and by the time the next mech releases, I have more Cb than before I started the last one.

What grind? I'm completely and totally careless of my space bucks, and still make them faster than I can manage to spend them without actually just ******* them away. That's not an opinion, it's observable fact.

[FupDup]

Edited by FupDup, 01 December 2013 - 04:52 PM.

[Sable Dove]

What grind? There's no grind! Just look at this other game that has so much grind that no sane person would play it! Clearly, therefore, MWO does not have too much grind, based on the fact that there exists a game with more grind. Facts.

If you got in early, when there weren't so many mechs, it's pretty easy to stay ahead of the curve. For new players now, who are earning far less, and have far more to unlock, it's pretty damn grindy.

To be honest, if they made the gameplay a little more fun/interesting, you probably wouldn't hear as much about the grind.

[thesleepyslam]

the grind wouldn't be nearly as bad if you could get into a match faster.

[Coralld]

MWO grindy? You have to be kidding me. Go play WoW, WoT, or some freaking MMO from Korea like RF Online and then come back and talk to me about grindy.

[Aleksanteri Bekker]

Coralld, on 01 December 2013 - 06:20 PM, said:

MWO grindy? You have to be kidding me. Go play WoW, WoT, or some freaking MMO from Korea like RF Online and then come back and talk to me about grindy.

Thats right everyone. "Not as grindy" is the exact same thing as "Not grindy at all". There can only be games are grindy, and games that aren't. MWO does not have the grind that WoT does, therefore MWO has no grind at all. None.

/forumlogic

[Sable Dove]

Aleksanteri Bekker, on 01 December 2013 - 07:06 PM, said:

Thats right everyone. "Not as grindy" is the exact same thing as "Not grindy at all". There can only be games are grindy, and games that aren't. MWO does not have the grind that WoT does, therefore MWO has no grind at all. None.

/forumlogic

Notice how he lists several games? Impossible. By his own logic, if there is a game with more grind, then the game does not have a grind.

There can be only one, because if something does not have the most grind, it does not have any grind at all.

[OznerpaG]

i think the grind is totally fair if you play for free, but premium time is a waste of cash as +50% on horrible income is still horrible income. if i pay $12/month to play i want the grind to stop, not just become very slightly less grind-ish. if you pay to play, you should get at minimum double income/XP

[JettSett]

I find the grind aspect in this game is fine for me. Decided last week I wanted to save up for an XL for my K2, then a couple days ago decided I would instead just keep saving for a CTF 3D and then have the XL *and* a really good frame as well. Got that goal accomplished this morning with some pretty casual play time, totally free no premium. I think a week or 2 of play for an expensive mech is quite reasonable.

The whole issue about "grind" I see in so many game forums. Sometimes it just blows me away... like... just play the game. Oh wait, that's grinding. boggles.

Edited by JettSett, 01 December 2013 - 09:26 PM.

[Bagheera]

Kids* these days, lol.

You would have hated R&R. Back in my day we had to pay millions to fix broken XL engines, buy fresh replacement armor every round, though only a small fraction of us actually paid full price for our re-loads (long story). Point is I didn't really have a problem with earnings then, and I certainly don't have a problem with them now.

Greyboots, on 01 December 2013 - 03:41 PM, said:

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Where is the space for "Player who thinks the point of the game is playing matches, not collecting FakeMoneyUnits."








* - using "kids" to refer to people were new to the game after the removal of Repair/Rearm.

[MustrumRidcully]

OneEyed Jack, on 01 December 2013 - 03:35 PM, said:

Here is a better picture:





Kids have time. Grown-Ups don't.

[Corvus Antaka]

MustrumRidcully, on 01 December 2013 - 11:56 PM, said:

Here is a better picture:





Kids have time. Grown-Ups don't.

yeah, but dont grownups have money to pay for time?

reminds me of a F2P business model...

[Greyboots]

Bagheera, on 01 December 2013 - 09:31 PM, said:

Where is the space for "Player who thinks the point of the game is playing matches, not collecting FakeMoneyUnits."

Collecting fake money units? sigh. That's a HUGE one for me to explain exactly where I stand and why I think the devs mentioning an "economy" is akin to giving a player a good kick in the ol' love spuds. The TLDR version is this:

There is no economy in MWO, neither is there "FakeMoneyUnits". There's just two artificial constructs to control what little progression is on offer; cBills and XP and there's very little difference between the two. "Collecting FakeMoneyUnits" is no different to "collecting XP". You buy 3 mechs. You train up all 3 to basic. You then throw ALL of the Mech XP you spent for the 2 you don't want down the toilet along with half of the money it cost you to buy them (plus "labour costs"). Then you pull the chain.

EVERYONE thinks the point of the game is playing matches. Progression (cBills and XP) is just how you go further than just play whichever champion mechs are on offer at the time. No more, no less.

Edited by Greyboots, 02 December 2013 - 12:08 AM.