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[Jun Watarase]

The current metagame favors high damage, pinpoint strikes and hiding behind cover as weapons cycle.

The LB-10X can't do pinpoint strikes which makes it decidely inferior to the AC10. Has PGI still not been able to give a reason to use this?

(I hope nobody uses the crit seeking argument).

Edited by Jun Watarase, 03 December 2013 - 06:17 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

Jun Watarase, on 03 December 2013 - 06:17 AM, said:

The current metagame favors high damage, pinpoint strikes and hiding behind cover as weapons cycle.

The LB-10X can't do pinpoint strikes which makes it decidely inferior to the AC10. Has PGI still not been able to give a reason to use this?

(I hope nobody uses the crit seeking argument).

So an actual combat engagement? the new meta is trying to simulate real combat? How awful! The LB-X cannon should have a slug as well as a Buck canister. MW had gimped the weapon terribly.

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 03 December 2013 - 06:22 AM.

[Master Q]

Short answer: No.

Longer answer: Half the weaponry in this game is useless or close to it right now. LRMs are shut down in most PUG matches by the fact that half the field is ECM mechs. SRMs are a joke again since they splatter everywhere. Can't think of the last time I saw anyone at all field a pulse laser. Gauss rifles are pretty much extinct.

Welcome to ACWarrior Online. Next month they nerf the ACs and put out a pay-to-win version of the Gauss Rifle that no longer has charge delay.

[Jun Watarase]

Thats a pity. I came back after a 6 month break and all the major problems are still there....its a shame that PGI is just so incompetent.

Edited by Jun Watarase, 03 December 2013 - 06:29 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

Master Q, on 03 December 2013 - 06:23 AM, said:

Short answer: No.

Longer answer: Half the weaponry in this game is useless or close to it right now. LRMs are shut down in most PUG matches by the fact that half the field is ECM mechs. SRMs are a joke again since they splatter everywhere. Can't think of the last time I saw anyone at all field a pulse laser. Gauss rifles are pretty much extinct.

Welcome to ACWarrior Online. Next month they nerf the ACs and put out a pay-to-win version of the Gauss Rifle that no longer has charge delay.

If you are only using ACs you are playing the game wrong. Both My (F)Atlas and My Victor(s) use all three of the basic food groups. and they are working fine.

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 03 December 2013 - 06:34 AM.

[Mechteric]

If the LB10X had a tighter spread pattern (even if its only within the first 250m) then it could be better. Maybe up to 50% tighter grouping, I dunno they could play with that number some but that's the only way I see it becoming a reasonable weapon.

[Green Mamba]

Well, it upsets DocBach when someone on his team uses them ,so they definitely have a satisfying troll effect.

[Joseph Mallan]

Quote

Taking advantage of advanced materials such as Endo Steel, the company was able to reduce the weight of the weapon for only a slight increase in bulk and mated it with the advanced Mercury-VII targeting system to boost its effective range. The most notable feature of the weapon was its ability to fire both standard HEAP rounds and a specialized anti-'Mech cluster round.

This will make the LB-X what it is supposed to be.

Green Mamba, on 03 December 2013 - 06:34 AM, said:

Well, it upsets DocBach when someone on his team uses them ,so they definitely have a satisfying troll effect.

Aw dude, you outed Docs Kryptonite!

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 03 December 2013 - 06:38 AM.

[tayhimself]

Jun Watarase, on 03 December 2013 - 06:17 AM, said:

(I hope nobody uses the crit seeking argument).

At my Elo (look at that ****** W/L ratio), the LB10X-AC is working fine. I am 80/20 pug/4man and am old so my reactions aren't great. I usually take AC/10s, but the LB10X is a fun change of pace because of crit seeking ability and the fact that it is not an AC/5 10 or 20.
At higher Elo's I can see why the LB10X would not work, but it is fine for most players like myself. As much as I like the LB10X, I like the AC/10 more and a buff to the LB10X would make the AC/10 pointless. The AC/10 could use a slight buff (small RoF increase or heat reduction) if the LB10X was buffed.

Dual LB10 + 4 SSRM2 JM6-A

JAGERMECH JM6-A 71 33 38 0.87 103 42 2.45 28,141

LB10 + 4 SSRM2 + 2 ML SHD2D2

SHADOW HAWK SHD-2D2 30 14 16 0.88 43 18 2.39 12,432

Edited by tayhimself, 04 December 2013 - 06:32 AM.

[Bront]

Jun Watarase, on 03 December 2013 - 06:17 AM, said:

The current metagame favors high damage, pinpoint strikes and hiding behind cover as weapons cycle.

The LB-10X can't do pinpoint strikes which makes it decidely inferior to the AC10. Has PGI still not been able to give a reason to use this?

(I hope nobody uses the crit seeking argument).

Crit seaking, reduced weight, reduced heat, and light hunting are the reasons to use them. They're not great in the competitive end, but they can be fun to use in PUGs and rather effective. I'm not sure what PGI can do to get people to take them without making them too powerful (though nerfing other ACs might make the LB10X more enticing)

Joseph Mallan, on 03 December 2013 - 06:20 AM, said:

So an actual combat engagement? the new meta is trying to simulate real combat? How awful! The LB-X cannon should have a slug as well as a Buck canister. MW had gimped the weapon terribly.

If they gave us slug armor, no one would mount an AC10. I'm not arguing that that's a problem, but it;s what would happen.

[Jun Watarase]

Just tried out a dual LB-10X build....thunderbolt with three open torso sections was taking multiple LB-10X shots at less than 100m and not caring....although to be honest i cant tell if thats due to the weapon sucking or because the game's atrocious hit detection and lack of lag compensation....

I really dont get the crit seeking argument. Crit seeking is only relevant if you are unable to focus all your damage on a single point like in TT, in which case you literally have to spray and pray that you hit an exposed section.

Why would i bother trying to crit a mech when the next alpha will core him anyway?

Edited by Jun Watarase, 03 December 2013 - 06:50 AM.

[Mawai]

Master Q, on 03 December 2013 - 06:23 AM, said:

Short answer: No.

Longer answer: Half the weaponry in this game is useless or close to it right now. LRMs are shut down in most PUG matches by the fact that half the field is ECM mechs. SRMs are a joke again since they splatter everywhere. Can't think of the last time I saw anyone at all field a pulse laser. Gauss rifles are pretty much extinct.

Welcome to ACWarrior Online. Next month they nerf the ACs and put out a pay-to-win version of the Gauss Rifle that no longer has charge delay.

Well. We play in quite different environments then. I play PUG matches all the time which may be part of the story though a number of the mechs I have seen with gauss rifles have been a part of a group.

1) I see lots of mechs still fielding gauss rifles. Dual gauss rifles are still popular on Jagers, K2s and Cataphracts. I have seen all three in the last 2 days of play.

2) Small and Medium pulse lasers are popular on some smaller mechs. I have seen spiders and a jenner with them recently. The range limitations make them more useful for faster mechs. I have seen a couple of assaults/heavies with large pulse lasers ... not as many as large lasers but still not zero.

3) I was spectating a cataphract yesterday that was very effective with two large lasers and 2 LB10-X. Although pinpoint damage can be more effective ... I have noticed that in general the armor gets worn away from many mechs over the entire mech before they are destroyed. I've also seen some Jagers using the LB10-X.

4) LRM spam is still extremely common though not as much as a few weeks ago. Every match I have played in has some LRM boats. Organized teams appear to still use them very effectively with TAG, Artemis and coordinated fire. (I've never been able to get them to work for me).

5) SSRM are better than they were a couple of months ago.

6) SRM could probably use a tweak ... however, I still see a lot of mechs using them though that may be because the variant doesn't have better choices. At least the 6xSRM6 loadout insta-death isn't in play at the moment ... though I do think SRMs probably need a small tweak.

So, overall, from seeing these weapons actually used in game on a regular basis, I'd have to say that none of the are hopeless though there are some better choices than others.

Finally, at the moment. I agree that AC are probably among the most effective weapons available. Low heat and high rate of fire give a lot of applied dps as well as good alpha. Projectile travel time, ammo weight limitations, weapon weights and crit slots are all constraints on AC builds but that doesn't stop the 2xUAC5, 4xAC5, 3xAC10, 2xAC20 builds from being extremely effective in the right circumstances. It is not enough to label the game "AC Warrior" in the same way it used to be "LRM warrior" but on the other hand, they are among the most effective weapons in the game at the moment.

[Sybreed]

If a lbx can use both cluster and slug rounds, the question is: why would you use cluster rounds?

Edited by Sybreed, 03 December 2013 - 07:18 AM.

[TercieI]

Sybreed, on 03 December 2013 - 06:55 AM, said:

If an lbx can use both cluster and slug rounds, the question is: why would you use cluster rounds?

See also: why would you ever equip it in place of an AC/10?

"Crit seeking" isn't worth what you give up, IMO.

[Joseph Mallan]

Bront, on 03 December 2013 - 06:46 AM, said:

Crit seaking, reduced weight, reduced heat, and light hunting are the reasons to use them. They're not great in the competitive end, but they can be fun to use in PUGs and rather effective. I'm not sure what PGI can do to get people to take them without making them too powerful (though nerfing other ACs might make the LB10X more enticing)


If they gave us slug armor, no one would mount an AC10. I'm not arguing that that's a problem, but it;s what would happen.

And that is a bad thing...why? Because you have a choice, does not mean it has to be a tough one. The whole every weapon needs to be wanted touchy feelly mumbo jumbo is silly to me. I hardly ever used an LB-X or Ultra on TT. I used Gauss whenever I could cram one in a Mech. *shrug* I didn't use Large lases if I had room for a PPC. I am a graduate from Munchkin Community College.

the downside to an LB-X is you need to split the ammo to get the full use of it. that would be enough for me to think about taking it.

[Sybreed]

Terciel1976, on 03 December 2013 - 06:56 AM, said:

See also: why would you ever equip it in place of an AC/10?

"Crit seeking" isn't worth what you give up, IMO.

Because it's one ton lighter

[Davers]

There will always be defenders of the LB-10X. Even back in CB before all the buffs when the spread was so wide it would block out the sun on Forest Colony if if you aimed at the sky. (Please bring back bright and sunny FC).

People say it is a good light hunter and a crit seeker. However, firing at small, fast mechs is the best way to assure only a fraction of your pellets will hit and those will be dispersed to every section of your opponent. If you are lucky maybe 2 pellets will hit the same section. It is actually far more effective vs larger mechs where you might be able to get 4 pellets into the one damaged section you wanted to hit.

That said, it is fun to look at the pellet swarm and has a fast fire rate and almost no heat.

[MustrumRidcully]

Every game needs noob trap items.
It's a way to keep the riff-raff out.

Bonus: You get people discussing endlessly how useless such items are, especially if you find some that disagree about the uselness and love to throw around stuff like "Learn To Play" or "Not everything needs to ne balanced". Or if people have special but fruitless ideas how to make it better:
Make it inflict 50 % more damage, but set a damage drop off so that at its normal range it's at 100 % its current damage (and spread like crazy.)

Edited by MustrumRidcully, 03 December 2013 - 07:32 AM.

[627]

Fun ?


Kids these days...

[General Taskeen]

Still funny that people think LB-X is for "light hunting." Cracks me up every time.

Take an MWO AC/10 or AC/20 if you know how to aim. *Poof* The Light you shot at magically loses a Leg, or magically just dies instantly.