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[Victor Morson]

Fallenbourne, on 17 December 2013 - 10:44 PM, said:

Honestly I think founders should get some sort of bonus/freebie. Some of us paid up to $120 for 4 mechs, no medallion and less c-bill boost. With no "unlockables" like with the phoenix package (i.e. the skin and colors) I think we got the sort end of the stick. I'll admit that founders got MC and some premium time, but that ends up being used up and doesn't compare to the amount of mechs you get with the packages.

Guess what? That unlockable Phoenix skin IS NOT EXCLUSIVE according to Russ... So yeah.. Its a regular skin as a "STRETCH GOAL"

LOL

[Khobai]

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The bonus we got as Founders was to play the game back when it was more fun.

We shouldnt get free stuff as a bonus. We should get free stuff because IGP/PGI screwed up and needs to establish some good faith with the community. I refuse to believe theyve changed because theyve given me no tangible reason to believe it. Besides, game developers throwing bribes at their players after theyve screwed up is a long standing tradition

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No Vulture??????????????

Free vultures for everyone!! (i wish lol)

Edited by Khobai, 18 December 2013 - 12:56 AM.

[X1Viper]

This is a joke. Inflated prices, lack of content. I really try to use restraint when judging F2P games, but this really IS a blatant money grab. What the **** PGI? You'll take our money before any solid information is available on the mechs, items, and bonuses? Sleazy. Downright scummy. You should be ashamed at abusing this community.

[MadcatX]

X1Viper, on 18 December 2013 - 01:11 AM, said:

This is a joke. Inflated prices, lack of content. I really try to use restraint when judging F2P games, but this really IS a blatant money grab. What the **** PGI? You'll take our money before any solid information is available on the mechs, items, and bonuses? Sleazy. Downright scummy. You should be ashamed at abusing this community.

Yea, just like you did with Project Phoenix, where there was still no content back then either!

[Earlito]

http://youtu.be/p2VBoV9xjg8

Nothing more to say.

[Randall Flagg]

I'm piloting a Daishi, prices be damned.

If they were smart they would make the gold mechs the only true omni mechs as a incentive to buy them.

Pew! Pew!

[capt bishop]

At this point I could care less about the Clans or any other {Scrap}. This game has been far removed from Battletech or Mechwarrior. Instead of fixing the game they just keep pumping money sinks for PGI. Still no Clan warfare or any content they promised. All PGI does is push out Prem mechs and maps. Thats it.

[30ft SMURF]

They gave us a choice of mech with the founders package and havn't had any other sale like it since. Some of us chose the catapult as our founders mech... at this point of the game I'd gladly change it for an Atlas... a Jenner or even the Hunchback as I clearly had no clue PGI would f over every lrm user. I spent the least ammount of money possible at the founding and have since bought enough MC to buy a few extra mech bays. With even the slightest understanding of where this game is going and where its gotten up till now I very much regret nearly every MC purchase I've ever made. Their promise to not reset things after open beta came around now just sits as an unplesant reminder of how little the cash I've spent thus far has been of value to myself and my gameplay. I think I've coughed up roughly $100.00 USD for this title having paid for my brother to have a founders package as well and he won't even bother to patch the game anymore. I've gotten very little out of the $60.00 USD I've spent on myself thus far, but you'd think pgi would consider my spending habits on the game rather closely... If costs were more reasonable and or if there were a monthly subscription to the game that included premium time and a set ammount of MC each month I'd probably have been roped into another $150.00 USD since closed beta and a lot of other people would be in that same boat. I might have even considered canceling my subscription to this game 20 times in the last year, but I've not paid for any other games since this has been in closed beta and am still anxiously flipping out about if this game will be anything close to what I expect/hope for. Not to be super repetative, but as I mentioned in Russ's latest post after the Clan Invasion Sale if they started the pricing for these mechs at $10.00 USD and let us choose which variant I'd likely break my repeated promise to this company to never spend another dime untill the things they promised thus far were delivered. Everybody (damn near) wants a Timber Wolf. Not everybody will pay you $240.00 USD to get it. Damn near everybody would give you $10.00 USD for one with a couple base variants the day the sale went live (even considering you're promising to nerf clan tech before it even exists) and PGI would still make bank. Odds are they'd make even more money off the game than they already have especially if the highest package deal only cost $80.00 USD as nearly everybody who's a fan of mechwarrior would have found a way to jump back on the bandwagon in hopes the game will be something a year from now. How do you **** so many people off and still keep your doors open?!? Oh thats right rope a buncha people into a sale before they know what they're actually getting for their hard earned money and cross your fingers that 1 out of 4 of the entire line of mech is worth owning. Thats the kind of thing we have to think about before forking over large quantities of cash to this company. Not to mention if they'll actually use any of those funds to keep producing the game they've overpromised already. Hell use the money to hire someone to read all of these posts and help the rest of your management team to get a clue. It'd take one hell of a PR team to dig PGI out of the hole they keep digging but there's clearly enough money flowing into the company that at least you could make the people giving it to you feel good about it.

Edited by 30ft SMURF, 18 December 2013 - 03:00 AM.

[Grayson Ward]

Dear PGI,

i even don't know if you are still reading (holy * 341 pages), but i want to make a statement whatsoever.
First, i have only a question against the gold Mechs. Russ said it is a collector's item, so i have it forever.
This is not a prank question, i'm asking do i get a miniature gold Mech with the chosen package? Otherwise the comparison with Magic-gathering would be far off scale. Magic-Cards are real and OP, that's why they are even more worth when you resell it. Of course, i could resell my Mini-Mech also if i get any, but a virtual Mech that is away when MWO comes to an end (and everything does, be it good or bad) is just lost in (Cyber)Space. Can i show it my son in ~10years as i showed him my tabletop miniatures ~10years before and sucessfully infect him with the BT-virus?

On the other hand, it IS a collector's item, be it virtual or not (i leave the "forever" statement out, for the better of you). People would (and should) not buy it because they think "woot, now i'm invisible", they should buy it because they do

a) think it's good to support MWO with their money and/or
B) just want to have a VERY unique Mech

For me, IF i would buy it it would be just for point a), I bought the Founder's as the game was even more alpha as it is now, just for the sake and trust that you can make us a mechwarrior-game we all waited for and many of my BT-comrades did it also for the same reason. To be honest, we hadn't much of a game back then, but the hopes were high.

The biggest problem (as we can see in this topic) lies in the marketing timing.
You are still in that storm for present and past problems and NOW you put out those gold -and Clanmechs? I woud've never suggested this at a time like this, it's no wonder another storm rises.
If you had put out the gold-mechs out back in founder's days i assure you, you had sold alot, even when you stated the mechs were only availible after two years, just for the hopes of the bt-fans. That can look like a hoove-in-the-face to many and you should've been aware from that, c'mon.
Also, people in the team are working on new mechs, gold textures etc while the core problems (that we, the community see) are just put aside, the schedule seems off, prioritys need an overhaul. We don't need no new mechs, even maps. We need that (almost) little quirks cleared before we go on making new mechs or cockpit interiors.

For the ClanMech-bundles, also the marketing issue. I know, bundling is common. Also, there is nothing wrong with getting money, but this was just way too far. Bundling ONE mech with a bit of module, warhorn (what is it?) and some fancy cockpit stuff or skin would've been enough, this Clan-packages just "look" greedy. Even then, When you sell one mech at the prize an AAA-title costs (be it PC or console) looks like the same.
Best moment to give out gold-mechs would've been a few days after UI2.0 or any other major update, not in a shitstorm.
You said you were devoted to MW/BT and are really trying to make a good game, but in the older games we got free new mechs just with a patch.
K, these were no F2P-games, but the gap is too high, really.

I'm sure some people aready suggested it, but give the founder/later mechpacks buyers something. I know, sounds selfish, but that's not the point.
For every drop there must be an up, simple as that, simply marketing. We thrusted you, so you should given the dog a bone if you don't want it to bite you. Not that it hurts, it's just a click for you.

Finally, the things you said and throw overboard.
Force First Person, just ditched. I see no advantage for new players with 3rd person, they are just giving a new option and new options are bad (at the beginning). Plus, it * up all loyal payers that were up to you till this time. Furthermore, this gives the poptart-style playing more advance and that was one of the bigger dead for MW4.

Your ECM-system. You said you will follow the timeline, yet invent a system that is far away. What was wrong with the former BT-system (every ECM-Mech cannot detected within some closer range, BAP canceled that) ?
This ECM you're using is just way to far in (your own) timeline. Those bubble-ECM is just ... sorry awful.

Grayson Ward

Edited by Grayson Ward, 18 December 2013 - 03:12 AM.

[Elder Thorn]

Kraknatz, on 17 December 2013 - 08:54 PM, said:

Please no more mechs until you complete new UI, private drops and factions.
These three are taking far too long and should be a priority.

Thanks

THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THISTHIS THIS THISTHIS THIS THISTHIS THIS THISTHIS THIS THISTHIS THIS THISTHIS THIS THISTHIS THIS THISTHIS THIS THIS

[Blurry]

Tick Tock
You may want to follow another canadain company and have a chat
with bain capital.

save yourself Russ.

[Naskoni]

It will be truly a marvelous Christmas present for these suckers if the sales of the Clan {Scrap} are so dismally low that they would reconsider their view on their new deal with MS. That license extension surely wasn't cheap and it might actually happen that the cash flow will trickle to the extend that the holidays might not be so full of drugs, whores and new trinkets as a certain CEO was hoping they will be.

One can hope, no?

[Wine O]

Not sure I get what all the fuss is about, I'm cool with the plans as I have seen them and Russ Bullock's latest post was enough to convince me there are only better things to come. I am interested in the golden mech (which should come with truck nutz, just sayin') but would like more info on them as I have never read any battletech-y stuff and the only info I can gleam from them is from what little art work is on the clan sale post. I'll probably just close my eyes and pick one but any help would be appreciated.

[Naskoni]

Wine O, on 18 December 2013 - 03:42 AM, said:

Not sure I get what all the fuss is about, I'm cool with the plans as I have seen them and Russ Bullock's latest post was enough to convince me there are only better things to come. I am interested in the golden mech (which should come with truck nutz, just sayin') but would like more info on them as I have never read any battletech-y stuff and the only info I can gleam from them is from what little art work is on the clan sale post. I'll probably just close my eyes and pick one but any help would be appreciated.

Don't worry, a few mech pack sales, missed deadlines, missing features, reverted promises and an island later you will get what all the fuss is about.

Oh, and enjoy your golden mech. I know I will

[Praehotec8]

Naskoni, on 18 December 2013 - 03:37 AM, said:

the holidays might not be so full of drugs, whores and new trinkets as a certain CEO was hoping they will be.

Have you ever heard of something called "libel"?

Statements like these are rude, uncalled for despite what you think of the game, and further, undermine the gravity of valid questions/criticism regarding the game's progress.

The game has issues, no question, but it's still the most fun FPS I have EVER played. It also got me interested in BT lore, and I am now reading some of the old novels, which are quite entertaining. They should make a movie based on BT!

Edited by Praehotec8, 18 December 2013 - 04:01 AM.

[Naskoni]

Praehotec8, on 18 December 2013 - 03:59 AM, said:

Have you ever heard of something called "libel"?

Statements like these are rude, uncalled for despite what you think of the game, and further, undermine the gravity of valid questions/criticism regarding the game's progress.

The game has issues, no question, but it's still the most fun FPS I have EVER played.

Let me put it this way - I wholeheartedly root for this company to fail. Even if this means the complete death of this game. And I do so because at least then there is some sliver of a chance that somebody less pathetic would pick it up and do something decent with the IP.

This company has issues, issues so overblown out of proportions that frankly one has to assume that the people making decisions must be regular drug users, or at least people so out of touch with reality as to offer us the Clan package now, at the current state of the game, and do so on a barely functional page, with a pathetic clan invasion movie that shows you absolutely nothing, hints of nothing and has no purpose there to begin with. A page made so fast it doesn't even explain what's on offer there - "unique bonus modules", "warhorns", what? With Mech packs structured for maximum cash grab.

And THEN an email that not only openly confirms our worst fears but also clearly states that these monkeys have DELIBERATELY withheld their funds, OUR MONEY, from actually doing anything significant on the game since it wasn't certain whether the IP license will be prolonged. Which means that all promises prior to said license extension were deliberate BS. The deliberate BS, on the grounds of which, I spent money on this {Scrap} of a game. But hey, they will actually start to develop the game now that MS has reassured them can "continue" doing so. I am SO optimistic they will deliver THIS time. Oh, yes!

So, no, valid questions and/or criticism in my case would have to be funneled into one question I'm afraid - "has this company shut down yet?"

[Lyoto Machida]

Praehotec8, on 18 December 2013 - 03:59 AM, said:

Have you ever heard of something called "libel"?

Statements like these are rude, uncalled for despite what you think of the game, and further, undermine the gravity of valid questions/criticism regarding the game's progress.

The game has issues, no question, but it's still the most fun FPS I have EVER played. It also got me interested in BT lore, and I am now reading some of the old novels, which are quite entertaining. They should make a movie based on BT!

Libel on an internet forum lol.

Also, how do you know for sure which CEO he is referring to?

Yeah...the game has its issues. The problem is this dev team is doing nothing to resolve any of it and is instead just going for the cash grab route.

Command Console...what does it do again?
Role Warfare...non-existent.
3PV...never used.
Hill climbing module...lol.
Ghost heat...did nothing that raising PPC heat wouldn't have done. A 6 PPC Stalker would blow itself up now with the current heat levels...something MANY players called for a long time before ghost heat. In fact, I can't name a single thing it did besides reduce mech diversity and make up absurd rules regarding combinations of LRMs. Poptarting is still here. Meanwhile, the AWE-8Q is made even more useless because of this stupid ghost heat idea they came up with.

I wish I could see a Swayback, Splatcat or Streakcat on the field now. Would liven things up a bit and they're nowhere near as deadly as before.

Either this dev group is oblivious/incompetent or they are fully aware of what they are doing...in either case, they should be replaced before this gets any worse.

Just a reminder...the order of "feature" release is as follows:

1) Clan mechs
2) Community Warfare
3) SRM hit registration to be addressed

Makes sense...enjoy your balanced game.

[Geek Verve]

Naskoni, on 18 December 2013 - 04:14 AM, said:

Let me put it this way - I wholeheartedly root for this company to fail. Even if this means the complete death of this game. And I do so because at least then there is some sliver of a chance that somebody less pathetic would pick it up and do something decent with the IP.

That's a very naive view. Do you think an online BT game failing would help or hurt future developers' chance of obtaining investors? The money people typically don't care about the hows and whys of past failures when considering whether this sort of investment is viable. In fact they would more likely hedge their bets by insisting the game be made more "accessible", turning it into a cheesy, arcadey piece of superficial {Scrap} that would appeal to the largest demographic possible.

Cutting your nose off to spite your face is no way to deal with your disappointment.

[Lyoto Machida]

Geek Verve, on 18 December 2013 - 05:12 AM, said:

That's a very naive view. Do you think an online BT game failing would help or hurt future developers' chance of obtaining investors? The money people typically don't care about the hows and whys of past failures when considering whether this sort of investment is viable. In fact they would more likely hedge their bets by insisting the game be made more "accessible", turning it into a cheesy, arcadey piece of superficial {Scrap} that would appeal to the largest demographic possible.

Cutting your nose off to spite your face is no way to deal with your disappointment.

1) It isn't already a "cheesy, arcadey piece of superficial {Scrap} that would appeal to the largest demographic possible" already? Otherwise, why do we have 3PV, pinpoint convergence and a super forgiving heat scale (aside from the nonsense of ghost heat)?

2) Some things need to be put down...it's called closure. Better to shut it down than to have 3 game modes with no CW for the next 5 years until the license renewal expires.

[Lupus Aurelius]

Naskoni, on 18 December 2013 - 04:14 AM, said:

This company has issues, issues so overblown out of proportions that frankly one has to assume that the people making decisions must be regular drug users, or at least people so out of touch with reality as to offer us the Clan package now, at the current state of the game, and do so on a barely functional page, with a pathetic clan invasion movie that shows you absolutely nothing, hints of nothing and has no purpose there to begin with. A page made so fast it doesn't even explain what's on offer there - "unique bonus modules", "warhorns", what? With Mech packs structured for maximum cash grab.

It's called MBAs, the bane that has blighted professionalism for too long. Look at someone like Chris Roberts. He's a programmer and gamer, a creative type, looking to produce the next Awesome. Yes, he makes money, but his focus is creativity. He's an artist that creates immersive worlds.

Then you have the business/MBA types. They look at it as a potential profit stream, and think in terms of market share and leveraging the product. For them, the focus is not the creative process, but how to leverage it to their advantage.

It's the difference between Tesla and Edison, Jobs and Gates.

Someone posted a video of some con that had a discussion group with Chris Roberts, Russ and Bryan , and a couple other guys. Look at their body language and facial expressions, Chris is "open and animated", Russ and Bryan "closed up". Facial expressions, body language, intonation, all together convey entirely different personalities.

My opinion is that for Russ and Bryan, this is not a creative process, but trying to get a share of the market. And that is what has to change.

Build a quality product, and it sells itself. All the spin and selling on the planet will not make a bad product last long. Maybe long enough for short term profits, until the customers finally see how inferior it is. An MBA type tries to leverage as much profit as they can as fast as they can. A creative person tries to produce the best possible they can.

Edited by Lupus Aurelius, 18 December 2013 - 06:03 AM.