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[ElCadaver]

PGI

Giving the community want it wants, what you promised the founders, and what your website espouses.

Or

Insane cash grab with ridiculous pricing from an already hostile community



AND, we all know what happens when you **** off the Founders

[Razor Kotovsky]

Is this the end? Just 342 pages?

[BeezleBug]

[Ecto Cooler]

Naskoni, on 18 December 2013 - 04:14 AM, said:

Let me put it this way - I wholeheartedly root for this company to fail. Even if this means the complete death of this game. And I do so because at least then there is some sliver of a chance that somebody less pathetic would pick it up and do something decent with the IP.

If this game fails then nobody will touch the BT license for many, many years to come. Go root for people to be unemployed somewhere else, you obnoxious child.

Edited by Ecto Cooler, 18 December 2013 - 06:46 AM.

[Razor Kotovsky]

Ecto Cooler, on 18 December 2013 - 06:46 AM, said:

If this game fails then nobody will touch the BT license for many, many years to come. Go root for people to be unemployed somewhere else, you obnoxious child.

Yes, better let PGI continue on driving it to the Earth's core.

[Divine Madcat]

Sigh... i love checking back from time to time, as even though i dont actively play, i did always hope for the best.

...

Then i read the announcements.

My wife and i literally laughed at the prices; doubly so at the bling mechs. Never mind that the clan mentality would never allow for such stupidity, $500 for a single mech is the most ridiculous thing i have ever read on here (and having kept up with Russ' and Pauls posts, i have read lots of ridiculous things). The announcement of the clan packages is a close second.. $240.... yeah.... (and yes, i truly do regret paying what i did for my Founders package, knowing know what kind of "leadership" PGI has).

It would be better at least, if PGI had delivered on promises, but that hasn't happened either! CW is delayed by a whole year AGAIN (for us founders, this is not the first major delay, remember....), UI2.0 delayed after the first betas were trash, and DX11 (much needed for modern cards) delayed too..As of yet, despite being "launched", the game is fundamentally the same, in both content and bugs, as it was a year ago. Oh.. but we did get skirmish mode ( which is nothing more than the other modes with features removed... why did that take a year again??)...

Sorry PGI... your game, literally, is up. It is obvious you are on your last legs, and doing a mad grab before you lose more players to your lies and broken promises....

[RG Notch]

Ecto Cooler, on 18 December 2013 - 06:46 AM, said:

If this game fails then nobody will touch the BT license for many, many years to come. Go root for people to be unemployed somewhere else, you obnoxious child.

Yes you should be rooting for people to keep their jobs even if their jobs are cash grabbing off of people's nostalgia for an old IP. Apparently no matter what PGI does as long as it says MechWarrior on it people will support it. So get back to making sure this game says mediocre. There are people out there so desperate for a MW/BT game they will gladly wait another 6 months for them to say it'll be done in 6 months.
As long as people want to fear monger about no MW/BT game PGI can get away with cash grab after cash grab with no real improvements. PGI is working really hard at grabbing your cash so get out there and support them. This is what the cheer leaders are reduced to better a half assed cash grab than nothing!

[FearNotDeath]

Well they gave the reason of clan tech costing much more which is why the prices increased so much from Overlord. Will we be having to shell of 30 million c-bills per dire wolf when they arrive? Maybe a better model would be if people are buying a large 'bulk' amount we could could see a discount. C'mon 240... have a heart.

[Overkill C7]

Praehotec8, on 18 December 2013 - 03:59 AM, said:

...They should make a movie based on BT!

Best thing ever said on these forums...just say'n.

[iRustik]

Overkill C7, on 18 December 2013 - 07:04 AM, said:

Best thing ever said on these forums...just say'n.

They make us write a book - this forum! 342p.!!! SICK!!!

[Storyteller]

Praehotec8, on 18 December 2013 - 03:59 AM, said:

The game has issues, no question, but it's still the most fun FPS I have EVER played. It also got me interested in BT lore, and I am now reading some of the old novels, which are quite entertaining. They should make a movie based on BT!

/sign

I won't spent just one cent more until I get UI 2.0 and at least the first stage of CW, but I still love MWO. Even in its current state. There are only few only shooters, I played so much so far in my lifetime. And I am 38 by now and I've seen much. As an BT fan for 20 years now, MWO got me reading the old novels and some newer ones as well. It got me playing the tabletop again, and hell yes, I even bought some new figures and stuff for it!

The core experience of MWO works great, even if I don't like the artillery/air strikes and the new spawnpoints. But if we play our 3025 stockmech matches, it really feels like the mechbattles in the novels.

So I really hope PGI gets the clue what they are doing wrong atm, because MWO is basically great and PGI has done a lot of good things in the past (and present).

Cheers!
Storyteller

[keith]

now if i print the rage over the last 2-3 days over what PGI has done, can we have our own island?

[xX_Nero_Xx]

JUST give me Private MATCHES so i can play leagues and ill buy the dam masakari pack all i need



SA/CxB/FEAR THE KORE!!!!

Edited by fccolhitman, 18 December 2013 - 07:54 AM.

[WarHippy]

FearNotDeath, on 18 December 2013 - 07:03 AM, said:

Well they gave the reason of clan tech costing much more which is why the prices increased so much from Overlord. Will we be having to shell of 30 million c-bills per dire wolf when they arrive? Maybe a better model would be if people are buying a large 'bulk' amount we could could see a discount. C'mon 240... have a heart.

That right now is my biggest complaint. They are keeping the significantly higher c-bill prices and thus higher mc and package prices, but with the proposed nerfs to clan tech and mechs the clan mechs are going to be in many cases arguably worse than inner sphere mechs by a large margin, and will still cost 3x as much. Frankly, it is stupid.

Edited by WarHippy, 18 December 2013 - 08:06 AM.

[Shamous13]

the fact that they have more people working on the fluff then the core game just doesn't sit right with me. I understand that you need the fluff to make money but you will make more money with a strong stable core game. it is complete and utter MOO POO that the core isn't done.

Russ Bullock said:

As to commitment to the brand I have some news to share with the community that honestly we hadn’t decided yet on how or when we were going to announce it, so let me share it with you here now. On Nov 8^th 2013 PGI and Microsoft finalized negotiations on an extension to PGI’s MechWarrior license. Whereas before our license ran out mid 2015 we are now ensured rights until mid-2018 and also if certain criteria is met will have until mid-2020 to continue to develop MechWarrior products including MWO. Needless to say this was something I had been working on for a very long time, Microsoft is very happy about how the MechWarrior brand is being re-invigorated with the new art work and gameplay advances. This extended license deal gives PGI many of the assurances we were looking for to justify continuing to spend large amounts of development funds on the game, we know we now have the runway to make the investment logical.

This right here says to me that you weren't doing anything until you secured the IP for a longer time. That is just bad business practice IMHO!!!

[Razor Kotovsky]

Overkill C7, on 18 December 2013 - 07:04 AM, said:

Best thing ever said on these forums...just say'n.

Sorry but BT needs at least mini-series. There can be so much stuff going on that a single movie won't suffice.

Regardless of ways of apllying battletech to "film" it will still be better than pacific rim though.

[Nasty McBadman]

Why do I have the awful feeling that this thread will never actually be read by PGI? I understand the desire to do damage control and try to keep the threads in the forums from filling up with with the anger of the island of people that are not actually the target market demographic or are only a small portion of the game population. I feel that there definitely should be more information about the clans as factions and how the technology and mechs will be introduced and used. I would not like, as a player of an IS faction, the ability to drop in a clan mech. I also would not like a mixed group of IS and clan mechs fighting on the same team. I also would not like those that have chosen a clan as their faction to be using IS mechs and weapons.

[Canadian Attack Beaver]

Lupus Aurelius, on 18 December 2013 - 06:02 AM, said:

It's called MBAs, the bane that has blighted professionalism for too long. Look at someone like Chris Roberts. He's a programmer and gamer, a creative type, looking to produce the next Awesome. Yes, he makes money, but his focus is creativity. He's an artist that creates immersive worlds.

Then you have the business/MBA types. They look at it as a potential profit stream, and think in terms of market share and leveraging the product. For them, the focus is not the creative process, but how to leverage it to their advantage.

It's the difference between Tesla and Edison, Jobs and Gates.

No, it's called ignorance, which you amply demonstrate in your post. MBA's provide nothing more than a broad exposure to advanced business topics; I know because I have one. People who are able to meld their creativity with the skills learned in an MBA program do very, very well for themselves in the professional world.

EVERY business exists to generate profit. Sorry, but if you don't realize this, then you are a complete f##king {Dezgra}. What changes is how the business generates that profit and to what extent profit maximization is a priority within the company. You, stupidly, use Steve Jobs as an example; he was RUTHLESS in the business world. He was renowned as one of the most acerbic, borderline abusive individuals to work for in the tech sector. He was a design genius, and his businesses practices are what turned Apple into one of the most profitable companies in the world while at the same time evolving smartphones, mp3 players and digital distribution technology like nobody has before him. I am FAR from a Jobs fan but he's the perfect example of creativity melded with business acumen.

Sustainable businesses are profitable businesses and by sustainable I mean a business model that generates continuous profits from their customers. As an MBA, I can tell you PGI's business model is absolutely doomed to fail. While the Battletech IP is unique, the reality is F2P online shooters are a fungible good. With an investment that equates to a fraction of what is being asked for in the Clan packs, people can go buy Battlefield 4, Call of Duty: Ghosts, Guildwars 2 and whatever other game they want. Or buy a year's subscription to Planetside 2 and have over $100 left to buy items. Games that have succeeded with the F2P model have figured out the key is the volume of small transactions that loyal customers are willing to purchase with the occasional larger purchase. Every package in this game is priced at the extreme end of what is available in other games. Why? I'm not sure, but I would be hesitant to buy these Clan mechs as I think PGI is experiencing financial difficulties and are desperate to raise further revenue through their Clan mech packages and inflated prices. Buying these packages runs the very real risk of not seeing anything for your purchase. Anyone who thinks Microsoft is "backing" PGI because they extended the license period needs to take a class in contract negotiation to understand what a license extension means.

Having an MBA doesn't preclude creativity, but if you actually had the intelligence to analyze this issue and understand what graduate studies teach then you would already know this.

[Lupus Aurelius]

Canadian Attack Beaver, on 18 December 2013 - 08:18 AM, said:

Having an MBA doesn't preclude creativity, but if you actually had the intelligence to analyze this issue and understand what graduate studies teach then you would already know this.

2 B.S. Anthropology/Archaeology and Industrial Engineering
1 Masters Quality Assurance
6 Sigma Blackbelt

And currently working on a Masters/PhD in Archaeology/Archaeoastronomy

Don't make assumptions....

And yes, with almost 30 years in military and aerospace Quality Assurance, I've seen plenty of MBA make incredibly bad decisions on how a business should work. MBA are better suited to staying in accounting, and out of the actual process, and let the professionals that have the technical expertise make the technical decisions.

Edited by Lupus Aurelius, 18 December 2013 - 08:34 AM.

[Canadian Attack Beaver]

Lupus Aurelius, on 18 December 2013 - 08:26 AM, said:

2 B.S. Anthropology/Archaeology and Industrial Engineering
1 Masters Quality Assurance
6 Sigma Blackbelt

And currently working pn a Masters/PhD in Archaeology/Archaeoastronomy

Don't make assumptions....

And yes, with almost 30 years in military and aerospace Quality Assurance, I've seen plenty of MBA make incredibly bad decisions on how a business should work. MBA are better suited to staying in accounting, and out of the actual process, and let the professionals that have the technical expertise make the technical decisions.

1 B.Sc. Organic Chemisty
1 B.A. Economics
1 MBA - finance & strategy concentraiton
various insurance, financial planning and investment designations

20 years in finance, investment management and business development/project evaluation.

You have education, but the my "assumption" that you don't have intelligence to understand what an MBA offers is backed up by your first post and your last paragraph in the quote. An MBA is a suite of tools; nothing more. I would be willing to bet I have more stories about Six Sigma Blackbelts and engineers who over-engineer, screw up cost estimates, are completely inaccurate on their in-service dates than you have about MBA's who made bad business decisions. I find hit hilarious that an engineer is harping about how business education stifles creativity when engineers are the least creative and least flexible people I have to work with. If there is one group of people out there who are completely clueless regarding the impact to the bottom line, it's an engineer.