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[DrSlamastika]

I like that A LA CARTE option. Thanks PGI.


Dire Wolf, Timber Wolf and Warhawk will be mine.

[Lupus Aurelius]

Interesting article on TheMittani: http://themittani.co...awsuit-over-bf4

"Efforts by EA and DICE to put Battlefield 4 back on track have not gone unnoticed. Despite this, the publishers were investigated into possibly violating the law in the build up to the release. There is now a lawsuit filed against the Electronic Arts, alleging that the publisher violated the Security Exchanges Commission act of 1934 by making “[m]aterially false and misleading statements highlighting the purported strength of the Company’s rollout of version 4 of its all-important Battlefield video game series.” "

Granted PGI is not a publicly traded company, but it is nice to know that there are some out there that can be held accountable...

Edited by Lupus Aurelius, 22 December 2013 - 09:24 AM.

[Aidan]

A La Carte is a good move PGI/IGP, thank you.

With regards to the prices of the mechs on the A La Carte menu, I think PGI/IGP needs a good brain massage !

[AntharPrime]

Imperius, on 22 December 2013 - 04:29 AM, said:

Far from it. I came here on day one asked if we could get the Omega. The die hard TT babies raged pissed me off and I lashed back out. Got a warning from http://mwomercs.com/.../4-paul-inouye/ telling me if I do that again I'll be banned. So due to this TOXIC community my welcome was not great and the strait up rude responses were not needed. So yes toxic, of course my posts are quite negative been dealing with this toxic community since closed beta.

Odd, I have also posted requesting both the Omega and LAMs and didn't get any warning at all. I poked and teased forum posters about it all in good fun, perhaps it was your approach?

On topic, I find that PGI has a long way to go when it comes to understanding the definition of microtransactions.

The best way to organize the packages to satisfy everyone would be to combine the options from the two previous successful deals.

1. Split the plan into two groups of four mechs on the $80 (maybe $90) price point of the Phoenix Project.

2. Allow customers to choose which mechs for each weight class in that group. ie 1 light, medium, heavy and assault.

3. Offer a $40 version which allows a customer to choose any single mech.

4. You can still offer the Gold mech with all the clan mechs for the $500 fee. If there are players who really want to spend that much money then let them.

5. Offer a small token amount MC, ie 2000 MC or something along those lines with the package.

I think that this would bring PGI in much more in sales and make the community feel more inclusive. $40 is not much for a person to pilot their favorite mech with bonuses and the completionist from more economic groups can get their satisfaction without feeling like a wage slave.

Edited by AntharPrime, 22 December 2013 - 10:24 AM.

[Roland]

Imperius, on 22 December 2013 - 04:29 AM, said:

Far from it. I came here on day one asked if we could get the Omega. The die hard TT babies raged pissed me off and I lashed back out. Got a warning from http://mwomercs.com/.../4-paul-inouye/ telling me if I do that again I'll be banned. So due to this TOXIC community my welcome was not great and the strait up rude responses were not needed. So yes toxic, of course my posts are quite negative been dealing with this toxic community since closed beta.

The omega is one of those things which is universally requested by munchkin idiots, and thus a request for it identifies you as such.

Basically it is saying , "HAY GUYZ, I HEARD ABOUT THIS COOL ROBOT LIKE IS EXTRA BIG WHICH MEANS EXTRA AWESOME, SO I SHOULD GET TO PILOT IT BECAUSE THAT WILL BE COOL SINCE ONLY I WILL PILOT IT AND THEN I'LL BE ALL PEW!PEW!POW! AND KILLING ALL THE BAD GUYS AND THAT SOUNDS COOL HUH?"

[Zolthar]

I've paid 80$ for BF4 premium and I get a complete game and all of it's future expentions.

I've paid 80$ for Elitefounder, about 120$ in MC, 85$ on the Overlord package, for an "in development" game.
I now regret the money i've put in the Founder and Phoenix packages, I have no problem with the MC$.

But the Founder and Phoenix, I did them to support the dev team.

Now after some new maps, 1 tweaked assault mode, called Skirmish, they ask for A LOT more for some far promises...

They lost me there, they should also bring back the Beta tag on this game, because that's what we are playing, a Beta.

Edited by Zolthar, 22 December 2013 - 10:36 AM.

[Sharknoms]

Roland, on 22 December 2013 - 10:32 AM, said:

The omega is one of those things which is universally requested by munchkin idiots, and thus a request for it identifies you as such.

Basically it is saying , "HAY GUYZ, I HEARD ABOUT THIS COOL ROBOT LIKE IS EXTRA BIG WHICH MEANS EXTRA AWESOME, SO I SHOULD GET TO PILOT IT BECAUSE THAT WILL BE COOL SINCE ONLY I WILL PILOT IT AND THEN I'LL BE ALL PEW!PEW!POW! AND KILLING ALL THE BAD GUYS AND THAT SOUNDS COOL HUH?"

Could you please explain why a Omega is bad except the reason that you don't want it?

[Roland]

Because it doesn't really bring anything of value to the table at all? It basically just breaks the mech construction system, by going outside the limits.

I already described what was going through the heads of folks who ask for it.

[Impavid]

Like others here have mentioned, these prices are out of control. You can buy a brand new polished game, hell you can almost buy a brand new polished console for some of these prices. And you want us to pay that much for a few mechs?

[Devari]

It's just pure GREED Impavid, same as what causes people to create ponzi schemes, manipulate stock prices, etc. They KNOW that they are not producing anything of value, they even TOLD us they haven't been working on the game because they didn't even have the LICENCE for the game. But in their mind, because a Black Lotus is worth several thousand dollars to a MTG player, they feel justified in charging people $500 for a gold mech in a non-existent game. The problem now is that their "investors", i.e,, founders and phoenix package purchasers, are finally asking for RESULTS and they have NOTHING to show us. It's all a scam, and they are trying to squeeze their last few remaining supporters who simply don't want to realize that we have been cheated out of our money.

[Canadian Attack Beaver]

I posted this on the "a La Carte" thread, but I'll share it here as well.

Assume we use 217 MC = $1, which is the most popular level of MC purchase.

Phoenix Overlord package was $80 (17,360 MC) for 12 mechs, including mechbays. That’s 3600 MC in mechbays, leaving 13,760 MC for 12 mechs or 1146 MC each.

Sabre package was $30 (6510 MC) for 6 mechs, including mechbays. That’s 1800 MC in mechbays, leaving 4710 MC for 6 mechs or 785 MC each.

Now let’s look at the Shadow Hawk, which Phoenix purchasers paid 1146 MC for, regardless of variant:
2D2 currently going for 1790 MC
2H currently going for 1745 MC
5M currently going for 3270 MC

Now let’s look at the Thunderbolt, which Phoenix purchasers paid 1146 MC for, regardless of variant:
5S currently going for 2100 MC
5SS currently going for 2080 MC
9SE currently going for 2335 MC

So, this leads me to two questions:

• Why are Clan mechs, if we use 1870 MC per mech, costing 63% more than Phoenix mechs and 138% more than Sabre mechs? Especially since PGI has been vocal about balancing Clan mechs so they aren’t superior to existing mechs.
  
• Why are PGI trying to say the price of these packages is because of their relative C-Bill costs when both Phoenix and Sabre packages were priced regardless of C-Bill costs? Phoenix mechs, regardless of tonnage and engine were all priced the same. Sabre mechs were all priced the same regardless of engine.

The 1870 MC per mech only holds true in original packages or if you buy 6 individual mechs.

1 Clan mech = 3878 MC per mech or 238% more than Phoenix and 394% more than Sabre
2 Clan mechs = 3516 MC per mech or 207% more than Phoenix and 348% more than Sabre
3 Clan mechs = 3155 MC per mech or 175% more than Phoenix and 302% more than Sabre
4 Clan mechs = 2793 MC per mech or 144% more than Phoenix and 256% more than Sabre
5 Clan mechs = 2431 MC per mech or 112% more than Phoenix and 210% more than Sabre

Ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous.

[Naskoni]

Canadian Attack Beaver, on 22 December 2013 - 11:43 AM, said:

I posted this on the "a La Carte" thread, but I'll share it here as well.

Assume we use 217 MC = $1, which is the most popular level of MC purchase.

Phoenix Overlord package was $80 (17,360 MC) for 12 mechs, including mechbays. That’s 3600 MC in mechbays, leaving 13,760 MC for 12 mechs or 1146 MC each.

Sabre package was $30 (6510 MC) for 6 mechs, including mechbays. That’s 1800 MC in mechbays, leaving 4710 MC for 6 mechs or 785 MC each.

Now let’s look at the Shadow Hawk, which Phoenix purchasers paid 1146 MC for, regardless of variant:
2D2 currently going for 1790 MC
2H currently going for 1745 MC
5M currently going for 3270 MC

Now let’s look at the Thunderbolt, which Phoenix purchasers paid 1146 MC for, regardless of variant:
5S currently going for 2100 MC
5SS currently going for 2080 MC
9SE currently going for 2335 MC

So, this leads me to two questions:

• Why are Clan mechs, if we use 1870 MC per mech, costing 63% more than Phoenix mechs and 138% more than Sabre mechs? Especially since PGI has been vocal about balancing Clan mechs so they aren’t superior to existing mechs.
  
• Why are PGI trying to say the price of these packages is because of their relative C-Bill costs when both Phoenix and Sabre packages were priced regardless of C-Bill costs? Phoenix mechs, regardless of tonnage and engine were all priced the same. Sabre mechs were all priced the same regardless of engine.

The 1870 MC per mech only holds true in original packages or if you buy 6 individual mechs.



1 Clan mech = 3878 MC per mech or 238% more than Phoenix and 394% more than Sabre
2 Clan mechs = 3516 MC per mech or 207% more than Phoenix and 348% more than Sabre
3 Clan mechs = 3155 MC per mech or 175% more than Phoenix and 302% more than Sabre
4 Clan mechs = 2793 MC per mech or 144% more than Phoenix and 256% more than Sabre
5 Clan mechs = 2431 MC per mech or 112% more than Phoenix and 210% more than Sabre

Ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous.

I'll tell you why Pure Greed Inc is charging that much more - because they got used to racking in 5+ million per sale and now that the idiots that are willing to shell that sort of money despite their systematic lies has shrinked somewhat they need to up the prices in order to "generate" the same profit. Plus - its the Clans and they were dead certain they can milk the rest whatever the price - thus the golden mechs... After all the ones that are still willing to pay that sort of money are either totally oblivious to what they have been doing and still do, or so stupid it doesn't really matter to them one way or the other. Just look at Imperius...

Based on this assumption it would seem that at least 10000 out of the typical 30000 purchasers are gone for good. Could be better but its a start...

Edited by Naskoni, 22 December 2013 - 11:55 AM.

[Devari]

The pricing is not based on any actual VALUE calculation because they are trying to sell you something that DOES NOT EXIST and probably never will. Like I said it's no different than what people did with the subprime housing market. They pretended that the houses had value that would magically keep going up, regardless of what the true value of the real estate was to a reasonable individual. PGI is doing the same thing with their game. They are trying to come up with ridiculous numbers that have NO RELATION to the true value of what they are pretending to sell. The fact that they actually compared their pricing to MTG cards shows how desperate they are to justify their ridiculous prices. They are like used car salesmen who will tell you ANYTHING to get your money. Except that we have ALREADY given them our money, and have not got our game.

[MadcatX]

Naskoni, on 22 December 2013 - 11:53 AM, said:

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After all the ones that are still willing to pay that sort of money are either totally oblivious to what they have been doing and still do, or so stupid it doesn't really matter to them one way or the other. Just look at Imperius...

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Buys an Overlord package for a game while in beta based off of promises despite the fact that the game was unfinished at the time of purchase..... calls others stupid when they do the same...

[Chronojam]

MadcatX, on 22 December 2013 - 01:34 PM, said:

Buys an Overlord package for a game while in beta based off of promises despite the fact that the game was unfinished at the time of purchase..... calls others stupid when they do the same...

This was the breaking point for a lot of people who had been holding out hope. Everybody has a different point for when they became disillusioned, some just held on longer because they wanted to believe everything would turn out okay.

[Devari]

The main issue here is that I don't think that anyone can really look back to expectations we had before PGI released the clan packages and we learned about the true state of the game and have predicted ANY of this. Missed deadlines are one thing, but actually doing NO WORK AT ALL on the core features of the game is something else entirely. I mean what happened were basically the two WORST possible things that could have happened to the game. ONE, they spent ALL our money without making the actual game. TWO, they are trying to sell us INSANELY OVERPRICED stuff that makes all our founders/phoenix/saber packages WORTHLESS. I mean they have taken the MONEY that the fanbase INVESTED into the game, told us they DID NOT MAKE the game, LIED to us that they were doing the work we ALREADY PAID them to do, and are trying to SELL content that DEVALUES anything we have paid them for to begin with.

Really, NO ONE, no mater how cynical, could have EVER predicted that. Because it would have basically been someone predicting that PGI have been outright committing FRAUD for the past two years. And up to this point I really don't think ANYONE believed it would get that bad.

The fans of MWO have collectively paid several million dollars to employ 50 people at PGI for two years while they were NOT DOING THE WORK they said they would be doing. That is NOT something you can ever see coming. I mean, if it were ANY other business they would be FORCED to pay ALL of that money back. It is just so far beyond anything ANYONE could have expected that I really don't see how we can fault people who still trusted PGI up to this point because we believed they were at least TRYING to make the game they promised us before we learned how bad everything really is.

Edited by Devari, 22 December 2013 - 02:33 PM.

[Naskoni]

MadcatX, on 22 December 2013 - 01:34 PM, said:

Buys an Overlord package for a game while in beta based off of promises despite the fact that the game was unfinished at the time of purchase..... calls others stupid when they do the same...

I will be the first to admit my utter stupidity on ordering the Overlord package. Difference is at least I saw the error of my ways. I simply wanted the f@cking Battlemaster. Or at least what the concept art showed me, because sure as hell the abomination I got in game is only barely similar in appearance. So, you could say that I was double f@cked.

[Devari]

Naskoni, they are doing exactly the same thing with the clan packages. They are showing concept art and using that to get people to make impulsive purchases, because it worked for them two times already. The difference is that now we have no reason to believe we will get the game they promised us because they have NOT EVEN BEEN DOING THE WORK on that game.

I don't think anyone can really compare a founders/phoenix purchase to a clan package purchase at this point. It is the difference between trusting someone BEFORE you learned that they outright lied to you about work they were doing and continuing to trust them AFTER you learn the truth.

[Shadowsword8]

Imperius, on 22 December 2013 - 04:29 AM, said:

Far from it. I came here on day one asked if we could get the Omega. The die hard TT babies raged pissed me off and I lashed back out. Got a warning from http://mwomercs.com/.../4-paul-inouye/ telling me if I do that again I'll be banned. So due to this TOXIC community my welcome was not great and the strait up rude responses were not needed. So yes toxic, of course my posts are quite negative been dealing with this toxic community since closed beta.

You asked for a 150 tons mech with 3 ballistic slots (triple pre-nerf AC20). You don't need to be a TT fanatic to understand it would break the game, it's obvious at a glance.

I think you got basically what you deserved from the community, and got all paranoid over it.

By and large, the community is fine. As long as you think a bit before you write something, which you probably didn't about the Omega stuff.

[Whatzituyah]

Shadowsword8, on 22 December 2013 - 02:57 PM, said:

You asked for a 150 tons mech with 3 ballistic slots (triple pre-nerf AC20). You don't need to be a TT fanatic to understand it would break the game, it's obvious at a glance.

I think you got basically what you deserved from the community, and got all paranoid over it.

By and large, the community is fine. As long as you think a bit before you write something, which you probably didn't about the Omega stuff.

That explains why this mech cant be used
Its already bad enough that a Jagermech can carry 2 ac 20s imagine how many a 100 ton Assault can carry?
Link here to the Anihilator for your reference.